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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2012, 08:15:51 AM »
If you see us in the blind calling ducks with a ton of decoys in the pond, don't work the damn water edge or stand there starring at us waiting for us to disappear or something.   >:(

The waters edge holds a lot of pheasants.  The birds will run in front of the dog until they reach a barrier such as a ditch or a pond, then they will sit tight and try to hide.  Its just nature that the dogs will lead the orange clad army to the waters edge.

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2012, 08:35:17 AM »
Lol no I dont hunt with BBB just had to use bigger shot to sound painful :chuckle: and I know how pheasant hunting works. It would just be nice if they could try to avoid the one or two standing bodies of water that have duck hunters on them. Ebey island is full of little sloughs and puddles and timber edges for pheasant hunters to play. Let's work together to have equally successful hunts.. :tup:

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2012, 08:48:11 AM »
I give you as much room as I can.  I stay well away from the big pond in the middle but there is no way to avoid the blind up by the tree line.  Its the only place to cross without wading through your decoys.  I know its there though and never shoot toward it. 

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2012, 08:56:22 AM »
I apprecite it. I think I actually saw you shoot your limit the other day. We got our limits too.

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2012, 09:09:26 AM »
Lol no I dont hunt with BBB just had to use bigger shot to sound painful :chuckle: and I know how pheasant hunting works. It would just be nice if they could try to avoid the one or two standing bodies of water that have duck hunters on them. Ebey island is full of little sloughs and puddles and timber edges for pheasant hunters to play. Let's work together to have equally successful hunts.. :tup:

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2012, 09:15:49 AM »
It's all good brother. It is good to see people so passionate about the sport.

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2012, 09:35:15 AM »
Stilly i understand what you are saying, and i personally do not hunt pheasant release sites while they are open. My point is there are ways to re-leave these issues that should be easy and cost effective but are not done. I have a friend that was shot by a pheasant hunter at the still water unit while sitting in his blind.  If you ask me it would be safer for duck hunters to be in thier blind before 8am so that the duck hunters and pheasant hunters weren't mingling.


quickest and easiest would be to edit the rule book and make a stipulation that duck hunters can't hunt a release site during pheasant season.

the next would be only allow duck hunting at established blinds. which I would be all for. that way the duck hunters blinds could be marked and easily avoided. honestly I only shoot at pheasants with sky behind them, but to think I shot over someone's head (even if I didn't see them hiding in the brush) makes me sick to my stomach  :puke:

at the leque site there are duck hunters EVERYWHERE. they stake out any puddle they can or hide in blackberries along the dike. when they are on the dike they are a good eight feet higher than everybody else in the field ( and they are hidden) this is major safety concern and it really causes a lot of missed shot opportunities which can get frustrating when your out there on a weekend with 60 of your new best friends.

another thought is established blinds on these crowded release sites would also alleviate many duck hunter vs duck hunter conflicts as well.

have a box at the parking lot with a limited amount of numbered slips that get replaced every morning... or have a daily online drawing so you know before you leave the house if you can hunt an area.
first come first serve if you run out blinds you can't hunt at the release site that day. go find some other public land to hunt or make some private connections.
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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2012, 09:41:37 AM »
I'm surprised that on many of these smaller sites near the metro area they have not repeated the sucess of the Ridgfeild Refuge. I know that there are ususally more people that it can handle on a weekend, but it does a great job of providing safety, AND opportunity. I have had good hunts there, and been turned away but i like the system and that location... I personally like being turned away from a quality experience instead of combat duck hunting when i have some one set up in may back pocket 40 yards away...
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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2012, 09:51:43 AM »
I'm surprised that on many of these smaller sites near the metro area they have not repeated the sucess of the Ridgfeild Refuge. I know that there are ususally more people that it can handle on a weekend, but it does a great job of providing safety, AND opportunity. I have had good hunts there, and been turned away but i like the system and that location... I personally like being turned away from a quality experience instead of combat duck hunting when i have some one set up in may back pocket 40 yards away...

excellent point. it would really cut out a lot of BS from all parties.

and if it were a drawing system you wouldn't have that one group of guys showing up at 2 am every saturday and sunday morning so they can dominate that one honey hole. it would give everyone a chance at a good shoot.
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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2012, 10:09:46 AM »
Once again no real reason to reinvent the wheel. I'm sure that the Wa waterfowl would help with the kind of work required for imporoving this kind of project...
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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2012, 10:19:15 AM »
Once again no real reason to reinvent the wheel. I'm sure that the Wa waterfowl would help with the kind of work required for imporoving this kind of project...

Im sure plenty of pheasant hunters would be willing to roll up their sleeves and help this issue in becoming resolved. maybe pheasants forever could get involved?

I could only imagine the stink it would create from all the unwilling duck hunters. fact is the world has changed and the population has increased to the point of ridiculousness, we have fewer opportunities than ever on less land than ever, somethings gotta get reworked.

as a duck hunter AND a pheasant hunter who has been playing this game for most of his life; I am willing to give up more opportunities for better opportunities.
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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2012, 11:07:47 AM »
my point is is it REALLY opportunity if it is so overcrowed that no one really get good hunting in? Isn't it those great days that keep us in the sport, NOT the many days we spend trying to repeat the limit in the ist hour? If you want to hook some one a great experience will do it.  :twocents:
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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2012, 11:19:11 AM »
I apprecite it. I think I actually saw you shoot your limit the other day. We got our limits too.

You must have been one of the guys that I talked to in the blind.  My dog was pissed with that 10 minute hunt; he wanted to join you guys and fetch a few ducks.

Im glad to hear you did well after I left.

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2012, 11:32:14 AM »
my point is is it REALLY opportunity if it is so overcrowed that no one really get good hunting in? Isn't it those great days that keep us in the sport, NOT the many days we spend trying to repeat the limit in the ist hour? If you want to hook some one a great experience will do it.  :twocents:

I couldn't agree more.

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2012, 12:41:33 PM »
my point is is it REALLY opportunity if it is so overcrowed that no one really get good hunting in? Isn't it those great days that keep us in the sport, NOT the many days we spend trying to repeat the limit in the ist hour? If you want to hook some one a great experience will do it.  :twocents:

I couldn't agree more.

Absolutely  :yeah:. On my trip with Stilly I only got one pheasant, and a nasty tasting duck that some other hunter shot...but I am hooked on bird hunting now. Because it was a great experience. I got to spend the day looking for critters to shoot, with good company/conversation, and as a bonus I even managed to bag my first bird. :tup:

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2012, 10:54:10 AM »

your missing my point. I don't care what came first. there are designated pheasant release sites, these are the only places you can hunt pheasants in western WA. you can duck hunt on any piece of land that is legal to hunt on, that will attract ducks. you can also duck hunt on any private land that will attract ducks if you can get permission. they don't release ducks in specific areas, all you need is water or food or both and you have a good chance at a duck if they are flying.
its few VS many.

Have you ever duck hunted? Getting permission to hunt land is NOT easy, and you almost ALWAYS have to pay a ridiculoous amount  :P It takes a lot more than just water, and food to have ducks. Sure you may shoot a pair of ducks on a random beaver pond, but that is it, and you would most likely be jump shooting (this is not done over a decoy spread).



 you can put an exact number public areas to duck hunt, but when you can quantify all the  private areas to hunt ducks on the westside let me know and I will change my statement. as of now there are more than I can count. either way you can split as many hairs as you want; there are still a hell of a lot more places to hunt ducks than there are pheasant release sites over here.

also if you don't have access to a  boat and you don't have anywhere to hunt ducks than besides on the pheasant release sites, your either a rank beginner or just lazy.  granted were not overwhelmed by public opportunities for duck hunting in this state but the sun doesn't rise and set around a pheasant release site.  there are tons of private properties that will let you hunt free of charge, it just takes some effort to find them and maintain them. you might have to get shot down a few times or help a farmer out during harvest time but there are plenty of opportunities out there you just have to get off your ass and find them.

You seem to forget that there are a lot more duck hunters than there are pheasant hunters. Of course there is more land to hunt ducks, but that doesn't mean squat. They are still jammed packed.

Like I said above. Private land is not easy to come by, and it costs way to much.

You probably do rank beginner if you do not have a boat, or you just don't have 200 dollars sitting around to buy a cheap one. Personally, I have 3 that I duck hunt out of. If I did not have those, I only know of one other place where I could duck hunt that does not hold pheasants, but it is closed right now anyway  :yike: :bash:


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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2012, 11:55:22 AM »
 

your missing my point. I don't care what came first. there are designated pheasant release sites, these are the only places you can hunt pheasants in western WA. you can duck hunt on any piece of land that is legal to hunt on, that will attract ducks. you can also duck hunt on any private land that will attract ducks if you can get permission. they don't release ducks in specific areas, all you need is water or food or both and you have a good chance at a duck if they are flying.
its few VS many.

Have you ever duck hunted? Getting permission to hunt land is NOT easy, and you almost ALWAYS have to pay a ridiculoous amount  :P It takes a lot more than just water, and food to have ducks. Sure you may shoot a pair of ducks on a random beaver pond, but that is it, and you would most likely be jump shooting (this is not done over a decoy spread).



 you can put an exact number public areas to duck hunt, but when you can quantify all the  private areas to hunt ducks on the westside let me know and I will change my statement. as of now there are more than I can count. either way you can split as many hairs as you want; there are still a hell of a lot more places to hunt ducks than there are pheasant release sites over here.

also if you don't have access to a  boat and you don't have anywhere to hunt ducks than besides on the pheasant release sites, your either a rank beginner or just lazy.  granted were not overwhelmed by public opportunities for duck hunting in this state but the sun doesn't rise and set around a pheasant release site.  there are tons of private properties that will let you hunt free of charge, it just takes some effort to find them and maintain them. you might have to get shot down a few times or help a farmer out during harvest time but there are plenty of opportunities out there you just have to get off your ass and find them.

You seem to forget that there are a lot more duck hunters than there are pheasant hunters. Of course there is more land to hunt ducks, but that doesn't mean squat. They are still jammed packed.

Like I said above. Private land is not easy to come by, and it costs way to much.

You probably do rank beginner if you do not have a boat, or you just don't have 200 dollars sitting around to buy a cheap one. Personally, I have 3 that I duck hunt out of. If I did not have those, I only know of one other place where I could duck hunt that does not hold pheasants, but it is closed right now anyway  :yike: :bash:


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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2012, 01:29:27 PM »
So obviously you have money laying around to spend on private land. Not everyone does. I am also sure that every farmer in the state has been asked several times if there land could be hunted, and they do not feel like answering the door another time.

If you already know all of this, then why are you saying, just go hunt private land.
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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2012, 04:28:59 PM »
I'm surprised that on many of these smaller sites near the metro area they have not repeated the sucess of the Ridgfeild Refuge. I know that there are ususally more people that it can handle on a weekend, but it does a great job of providing safety, AND opportunity. I have had good hunts there, and been turned away but i like the system and that location... I personally like being turned away from a quality experience instead of combat duck hunting when i have some one set up in may back pocket 40 yards away...

Quality? Success? Two words that should never be used to describe ridgefield. If you want to se a true model of success try Sauvie Island. Way better system. Yes, I hunt both, a lot.

Pheasant sites are always tough, especially with the higher cost of the tag. Think they are 90$ now? Makes most people think they are owed those birds. Wish they would shut them down before duck season starts.

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2012, 04:47:10 PM »
Pheasant sites are always tough, especially with the higher cost of the tag. Think they are 90$ now? Makes most people think they are owed those birds. Wish they would shut them down before duck season starts.

People need to realize that raising pheasants aren't cheap. Cost is about 15-20$ a bird maybe more :dunno: A person really only needs to shoot 5 pheasants to cover the cost of the permit.

I can't believe how many duck hunters that continue to hunt pheasant release sites?? They are clearly posted as such, makes me wonder if you guys aren't just looking for conflicts by continuing to duck hunt during pheasant season. My advice is put away the duck gear and camo and take up upland. Duck hunting really doesn't start getting good until December anyways when the northern migration starts, 2 whole months.
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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2012, 05:21:49 PM »
I always let the pheasent hunters have thier time in the feild conflicts always ruin it for both sides there are plenty of waterfowl areas to use till trhe pheasents are done.

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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2012, 05:40:58 PM »
So obviously you have money laying around to spend on private land. Not everyone does. I am also sure that every farmer in the state has been asked several times if there land could be hunted, and they do not feel like answering the door another time.

If you already know all of this, then why are you saying, just go hunt private land.


please don't devalue my knowledge and life experiences by pitting them against your misconceptions.

I have never paid for sex and I will never pay to use someone's private land.

all but one of the private properties I hunt came from knocking on the doors and being polite and one belongs to a friend. so far I have four local private properties to hunt when ever I feel like it. I could easily have more but why bother, these keep me plenty busy.

when I lived in chehalis I had over a dozen private hunting areas. they all came from driving around and burning gas . knocking on doors and being friendly. its redneck networking, pretty soon if enough farmers trust you, word gets out and they will vouch for you- it opens a lot of doors that would otherwise stay shut. it doesn't happen over night and its a hell of a lot of effort, obviously much more than you are willing to put forth, but you got to start somewhere.

Do you think H20 fowler gets all his limits of ducks at the pheasant release sites? do you think he pays for every piece of land he hunts? there are more hunting opportunities out there than you realize.


If you already know all of this, then why are you saying, just go hunt private land.

sigh, do you even know what your talking about at this point?

go take three days to figure out your rebuttal and get back to us. I applaud your technique of repeating your argument with different emotives. maybe if Romney had you as one of his speech writers he would be doing a little better at this point.
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« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2012, 05:49:13 PM »
Pheasant sites are always tough, especially with the higher cost of the tag. Think they are 90$ now? Makes most people think they are owed those birds. Wish they would shut them down before duck season starts.

People need to realize that raising pheasants aren't cheap. Cost is about 15-20$ a bird maybe more :dunno: A person really only needs to shoot 5 pheasants to cover the cost of the permit.

I can't believe how many duck hunters that continue to hunt pheasant release sites?? They are clearly posted as such, makes me wonder if you guys aren't just looking for conflicts by continuing to duck hunt during pheasant season. My advice is put away the duck gear and camo and take up upland. Duck hunting really doesn't start getting good until December anyways when the northern migration starts, 2 whole months.

Really?

 Cost for raising birds I'm well aware of. Been doing it for years, I'm at 6.45 a bird as an adult, less on quail. Though if I add a 40% mark up, then add extra to sell to the state I come up to your quote above.

I never look for conflict, especially with guns. It's just that the release sites in my area are a joke. It's also a proven fact that pheasants don't migrate. So there is no need to tie up land that is good for migratory fowl when they are in town. I hunt ducks a lot, more then most for sure, I can promise you it is good all season. It doesn't pick up much in Dec unless you only hunt divers.

Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?

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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2012, 05:56:38 PM »

Which leads right back to where I was. Why not let the pheasant hunters in earlier and shut it down earlier?

you want to shorten my already too short western washington pheasant season?  :'(

I think starting it early like at the beginning of Sept would be problematic for late nesting birds or fledgling birds. starting after duck season ended :dunno: would probably mess with the migration

starting august or sept would make for some pretty crappy dog work and the vets would be over run with heat stroke patients.



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Re: Ebey Island Duck Hunters
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2012, 06:06:18 PM »
It just seems to me that there are no farmers that want hunters on their land that don't already have them. Why would a farmer let me hunt on his property for free, when he can get paid by another to hunt his property. I do not like asking people if I could hunt their land because they are probably tired of other hunters asking. It seems to me that it would leave bad impressions on farmers.

Kind of gone over in this thread http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106215.0.html


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Do you think H20 fowler gets all his limits of ducks at the pheasant release sites? do you think he pays for every piece of land he hunts?

I have said nothing anywhere near this. I would never hunt ducks at a pheasant release site. There are way too many hunters, and there are better public land opportunities to hunt ducks than pheasant release sites.
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