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Offline Jonathan_S

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2012, 03:49:02 PM »
This is such a funny topic. Is the .223 the new .243 or .257? Nobody in their right mind would hunt black bear with a .223 regardless of the fact that if you heart or brain shot them, they'd die. If I met someone hunting bears with a .223, I would want to kick them... Then I'd run because they probably had an AR.  :yike:
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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2012, 05:25:36 PM »
Itd kill a bear just fine, as stated not the most desired round. I dont know why everyone is wrapped around the fact that its a black bear. Id say 80% if bears shot are the same size or smaller than your average deer (id say most are smaller), and the upper 16% are the size of a large deer, with 4% being true 300+ bears. so it would be no different than shooting a deer with a 223, which is legal in a lot of states. I have a couple buddies that prefer the 22-250 over the 223 though. Ill stick to the 270 for everything which probably isnt preferred or recommended by most on this sight for bear or elk. 

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2012, 05:57:15 PM »
bears are one of the toughest critters on earth i dont like trackin blood on a bear as you would if you shot one with a oversized 22!  I shoot them in the shoulders with a big gun.. And would never think of going after one with a .223 dumb idea if you ask me..

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2012, 05:59:58 PM »
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).

But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2012, 06:34:44 PM »
If you shot it like you would an archery bear i think you would be OK... Bears shoulder and leg bone protect most of the heart and lungs. you have to have a broad side shot with the leg lifted with an arrow, so i would assume the same kind of shot with a .223 would be fine.
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Re: Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2012, 07:40:35 PM »
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).

But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
 

Apples and oranges Bobcat. The arrow kills by cutting, and more often than not leaves an ample blood trail. Bear are notorious for not leaving much of a blood trail when shot with a small cartridge such as the 223 Rem. For bear, in my opinion, The 223 Rem also is a bit in short supply of  penetration and energy .
 To the OP, in a hunting situation, absolutely not. In a survival scenario, absolutely yes.




I agree completely.
A bear, properly hit with a .223 will not leave as good of a blood trail as one properly hit with a broadhead.


If you want a blood trail .223 is not a viable option. If on the other hand you can *consistently* make a spine or brain shot a .223 should be plenty effective. I couldn't/wouldn't do it, but I am sure there are people who could. Course in this state this debate is purely academic since it's not legal.

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2012, 09:51:56 PM »
We have killed a lot of bear with a .223 and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. But we are taught to only use head shots for every animal we kill.

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2012, 09:28:28 AM »
I'd use a Barnes rather than a Partition, but I'm sure it would kill a bear just fine. Definitely not the caliber I would choose for bear, but if it's what I had when an opportunity at a bear came up, I'd use it (not in this state though, it's not legal).

But really, people hunt bears with archery gear, I think a 223 would be more effective than an arrow.
 

Apples and oranges Bobcat. The arrow kills by cutting, and more often than not leaves an ample blood trail. Bear are notorious for not leaving much of a blood trail when shot with a small cartridge such as the 223 Rem. For bear, in my opinion, The 223 Rem also is a bit in short supply of  penetration and energy .
 To the OP, in a hunting situation, absolutely not. In a survival scenario, absolutely yes.




I agree completely.
A bear, properly hit with a .223 will not leave as good of a blood trail as one properly hit with a broadhead.

Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!
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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2012, 09:48:51 AM »
I really don't see a black bear going very far with a well placed lung/heart shot using a 60gr Nosler Partition from a .223. It sure would not be my first choice to do that, but I feel it would be effective at respectable ranges. I am a fan of the current law making .243 cal bullets the minimum.
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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2012, 10:23:12 AM »
I think I read somewhere that Eskimos kill Polar Bears with the 223.

Or maybe the 22 mag (rim fire)?   :yike:

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2012, 10:38:29 AM »

Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!


Better than this? :chuckle:

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2012, 10:40:10 AM »
Black bear are thin skinned but have some fairly heavy bones.  Good shooting is essentail with every caliber but moreso with the smaller ones.  Bear can also seal up a small wound with fat so the blood trail issue comes into play.

That being said,  a .223 with 60 grn partition would kill a black bear just fine, shot and seen a lot of em get shot,  most of them in the old days while up in a tree and in my opinion they aren't as tough as people think,  but they do have a will to survive it seems and unless its a drop em right there shot those little furballs will jump spin and run pretty darn for so bloodtrailing after shooting a bear with the .223 would be my concern way more than it actually killing it.

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2012, 03:58:20 PM »
I shot my first black bear with a .243 but I was 18 and didn't think about very much beyond what I was doing at that exact second. My wife shot one with a .243 a couple of years ago. Both were not ideal situations but they happened, both bears died and were recovered. They were both also small and shot at very close range with perfect placement.The last 6 bears I shot were with some sort of .30 bullet from a 30-06 to a .300 Weatherby.

I guess I just don't really understand why a person would choose to hunt bear with a .223 if they had a choice. My dad used to always use this line when a discussion like this came up. You can chop down a tree with the claw of hammer but why would you if you had a chainsaw.


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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2012, 11:53:51 AM »
With correct shot placement and that bullet the 223 will kill a black bear... Wouldn't be my choice of calibers... My first bear dropped in it's tracks with a heart/lung shot from my 243 at 140 yards....

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2012, 12:58:45 PM »
It's pretty easy to tell that nobody who cares about bear hunting is actually bear hunting   :chuckle: :chuckle:

Since THIS thread is the most active under bear hunting.

I doubt we'll see it at the top next August  :chuckle:
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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2012, 02:37:29 AM »

Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!


Better than this? :chuckle:
  Iceman, bet I know what that bear was shot with and it is a very good choice. :tup: 

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2012, 05:58:48 AM »

Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!


Better than this? :chuckle:
  Iceman, bet I know what that bear was shot with and it is a very good choice. :tup: 

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Re: .223 for blackbear?
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2012, 07:51:04 PM »

Best bloodtrails ive seen on bear have been broadhead shots!


Better than this? :chuckle:
  Iceman, bet I know what that bear was shot with and it is a very good choice. :tup: 
:)Now thats a nice bloodtrail!!
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