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Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2013, 06:51:59 PM »
I guess the part that is unclear to me, Bob is why does the WAC  say something completely different than what the regulations say? Why do we even bother waiting for the regulations to come out if we should just have to print all of the wac codes out anyway?
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2013, 06:54:18 PM »
I'm still missing what the confusion is.

Here is the text from the 2013 regulations:

Anyone may apply,except those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington state (for exceptions, see below). An individual may only harvest one moose during his or her lifetime. However, this restriction is waived for hunters who have previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only, masterhunter, raffle or auction hunt permit.
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2013, 07:01:47 PM »
OK...we're missing each other somewhere here, Bob. Last year, a guy who has already killed a bull could apply for cow tags and kill a cow. They have changed that this year. The only way you can kill 2 moose now is if you've already killed a cow. Now...if you killed a bull, you're done. If you have killed a cow(antlerless), you can still apply for bull hunts. Unless I'm being a complete and utter dummy, thats what the regs say  now.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2013, 07:04:28 PM »
I am not including any raffle, auction tags, etc in any part of my conversation here. Those rules are clear to me.
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2013, 07:05:20 PM »
To me it states if you have harvested a moose and it was not under antlerless, master hunter, raffle, or auction you can not hunt moose again.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2013, 07:07:12 PM »
OK...we're missing each other somewhere here, Bob. Last year, a guy who has already killed a bull could apply for cow tags and kill a cow. They have changed that this year. The only way you can kill 2 moose now is if you've already killed a cow. Now...if you killed a bull, you're done. If you have killed a cow(antlerless), you can still apply for bull hunts. Unless I'm being a complete and utter dummy, thats what the regs say  now.
Ok. I think I can see the confusion. I do not believe it is meant to be interpreted that way.
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2013, 09:23:47 PM »
 :chuckle: lol, the simple solution to the whole thing would be to not make hunts available in the license purchasing process to those not eligible.

How stupid would WDFW be to print regs that say one thing and have a online system that allows another? :chuckle:
« Last Edit: April 23, 2013, 09:51:06 PM by huntnphool »
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Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2013, 09:28:46 PM »
Well...

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2013, 09:50:21 PM »
Well...
:chuckle: Doesn't really answer my question. ;)
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2013, 09:52:54 PM »
Well...
:chuckle: Doesn't really answer my question. ;)
The answer is that they don't make permit applications available to those who are not eligible.
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Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2013, 09:53:50 PM »
:yeah:
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2013, 10:18:03 PM »
Do I have this right?  We are talking about someone who drew a 1 in 500 odds bull moose permit, killed a bull moose, then in the same lifetime applied for and drew a one in 600 antlerless moose permit, killed an antlerless moose, then got cited by WDFW for having an invalid permit that WDFW sold him?

Hmmm...
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2013, 11:02:11 PM »
Do I have this right?  We are talking about someone who drew a 1 in 500 odds bull moose permit, killed a bull moose, then in the same lifetime applied for and drew a one in 600 antlerless moose permit, killed an antlerless moose, then got cited by WDFW for having an invalid permit that WDFW sold him?

Hmmm...
not yet but i'm hoping to be the first. ;)
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2013, 06:33:45 AM »
I think the purchasing and application process is handled by a third party, so WDFW enforcement would get a free pass, because the department didn't control it directly.

I agree with the interpretation so far.

Before
1 bull and 1 cow was a possibility for everyone and possibly more if Master Hunter, auction or raffle

after.
1 bull and 1 cow is a possibility only if cow permit is utilized first, or master hunter, auction, or raffle.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2013, 06:49:57 AM »
Do I have this right?  We are talking about someone who drew a 1 in 500 odds bull moose permit, killed a bull moose, then in the same lifetime applied for and drew a one in 600 antlerless moose permit, killed an antlerless moose, then got cited by WDFW for having an invalid permit that WDFW sold him?

Hmmm...
not yet but i'm hoping to be the first. ;)
That would be great if you do. I will buy you a beer and some lottery tickets. :tup:
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2013, 04:40:35 PM »
Shockingly enough I recieved a reply to my email today from the dfw. They apologized for the way it was writtem in the regs and said they know it is confusing. They said anybody may apply for antlerless tags even if you have harvested a moose under the any moose category.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2013, 04:49:57 PM »
I'd be surprised if WDFW would have it any other way.  They don't want to restrict the number of people who fork over the permit application money. :twocents:
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2013, 08:45:17 PM »
That's good news. I just posted a rant on this in the general forum. They did change the wording this year and didn't put it in RED. I have 3 points and will apply if they let me. Thanks for posting the replay to your email.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2013, 07:17:37 AM »
Personally I wouldn't even waste the money on antlerless moose permits. The odds of drawing are so low I just won't apply for those hunts anymore. I used to apply for antlerless moose hunts before they put them in a separate category. Your odds of drawing a bull moose permit are much better.
Actually the odds for the cow tags are still better. I was surprised too but just checked the 2012 harvest report. As for me, I'm planning on being the first guy to draw antlerless moose permits two years in a row... :)

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2013, 08:15:14 AM »
Wow, those are some badly written rules.

Anyone may apply,except those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington state (for exceptions, see below). An individual may only harvest one moose during his or her lifetime. However, this restriction is waived for hunters who have previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only, masterhunter, raffle or auction hunt permit.

I'm going to draw a cow moose permit first and shoot one, then I can keep drawing and shooting bull moose for the rest of my life.  The one moose restriction will have been waived because I had previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only permit.  They only list one restriction and wave it if you have previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only permit.  I know that is not what they meant, but it is what they wrote.

This must have been written by the same people who wrote the youth hunting alone/extra hunter ed fees bill.
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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2013, 10:01:51 AM »
Personally I wouldn't even waste the money on antlerless moose permits. The odds of drawing are so low I just won't apply for those hunts anymore. I used to apply for antlerless moose hunts before they put them in a separate category. Your odds of drawing a bull moose permit are much better.
Actually the odds for the cow tags are still better. I was surprised too but just checked the 2012 harvest report. As for me, I'm planning on being the first guy to draw antlerless moose permits two years in a row... :)


Antlerless moose is a harder draw by the way I calculate it. Not sure how you did it, but I take the total number of applicants in that category, and divide that by the number of permits available.

So for example, the bull moose permits had a total of 19,224 applicants. Divide that by the total number of permits (82), and I get odds of 1 in 234.

Do the same in the antlerless moose category, and I get odds of 1 in 275.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2013, 03:32:59 PM »
You may be right Bobcat, I just compared Mt. Spokane North any moose to Mt. Spokane North antlerless only(the tag I drew). If you just look at that the cow tag is easier to draw.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2013, 04:29:25 PM »
Page 88 of the 2013 regs in the middle of the page, under "Any Moose"  says:  ....If a hunter reports taking a moose on one of these hunts,.....no further  special hunt applications for "Any Moose" can be purchased.  Just below that, under "Antlerless Moose", it says: Hunters may continue to purchase future moose special hunt applications whether a moose was taken in the hunt or not.

I think this has been settled already.  But I interpreted the above to mean that if you harvested one on an "Any Moose" tag, then you were restricted from any future "Any Moose" tag hunt applications.  The "Antlerless Moose" tag does not have the same restriction.

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Re: Antlerless moose tags?
« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2013, 07:48:06 PM »
I was upset and confused with the way it was written this year.  I would have gone with bobs view even before the wdfw e mail confirmation.  he knows his stuff.
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