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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2014, 09:42:31 PM »

it is like getting off the freeway onto a dirt road, then complaining about it not being paved.
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2014, 07:42:08 AM »
:stirthepot:
I don't really care what the other person uses.
I did notice the debate itself quieted down...
Wont know the harvest reports until they get posted,  :dunno:
probably only more wounded animals, but at least they got their arrows back  :chuckle:
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I personally don't know anybody that used them.
More wounded animals, really? You must be a gun hunter cause any true archery hunter wouldn't make an absurd comment like that.

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I am about as "True Archery" as it gets, but I guess you did not see the sarcasm in adding the  :chuckle: and  :stirthepot:
But then you obviously are a recent convert to the ways of bowhunting, and of course are an expert...
I saw your emoticons, but I still think it was a very un-wise comment to make as it just continues to stir the pot and divide sportsman. And no I am not a recent convert and have no idea why you would think that I think I am an expert. I have never made any claim to the sort.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an un-armed person.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2014, 08:14:38 PM »
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I saw your emoticons, but I still think it was a very un-wise comment to make as it just continues to stir the pot and divide sportsman. And no I am not a recent convert and have no idea why you would think that I think I am an expert. I have never made any claim to the sort.
Sarcasm in a topic that has been beaten to death, without most of the persons voicing opinions about something they really dont understand seems to me directly in the spirit of the OP...
As to an un-wise comment...
It is my firm beleif, as a bowhunter, that anybody who is concerned about using a lighted nock, is concerned about arrow recovery.
If you do not know where your arrow is going to go upon release (or even a bullet, or any projectile) then you have no business letting it fly...
Jokes, sarcasm, and plain stupidity has been rampant in the argumaent for/against lighted nocks, when the only real issue has been about electronic devices allowed during an archery season.
When you spend a lot of money for your arrow, no matter what they are made from, the ability to recover said arrow makes sense, but if you have nothing to lose but an arrow, and can eliminate the option then you just might go ahead and take a last light shot (after all that is what the thing is designed for)
As a person who was bowhunting before it was cool, I see the march of progress turn a sport that was made possible by sportsmen (and women) who wanted to preserve the integrity of archery into a competition of who could buy the best equipment and be able to brag about putting into the X ring, losing the whole concept of why there is an archery season in the first place.
Un-wise is the constant complaining about how unfair it is you cannot use whatever you feel is your "right" If it were not for Glenn StCharles, Roy Case, and Kore Duryee, we would be hunting during "general season" as it WAS taken away, and fought for to get back......without placing limitations, it would not have been given back.
If we eliminate all the restrictions, who is going to go argue with the WDFW that we deserve a special season ?
Archery is no longer a sport of self sufficient outdoorsmen, who build their own equipment, and survive in the elements, but a sport of chest thumping walking advertisements for Cabelas.
"traditional" has become an "elitist" attitude, with custom made bows from the newest technology, looking down and belittling those who use "training wheels" and sights, when the whole basis began with a few just attempting to prove that a bow was more than a toy, but a viable hunting weapon.
Bows have evolved, the whole industry has evolved, but when there are whole threads complaining about hunting shows and the crass commercialism, that is the price we pay for losing focus on why we hunt with archery equipment in the first place.
I do not care why you hunt with archery equipment, I do not care what equipment you use, I just feel that if you use your equipment as an excuse for your lack of success, maybe you should try something else.
(and claiming you know what a "true archery hunter" is after 5 years of archery hunting...)  :dunno:
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2014, 05:04:43 PM »
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I saw your emoticons, but I still think it was a very un-wise comment to make as it just continues to stir the pot and divide sportsman. And no I am not a recent convert and have no idea why you would think that I think I am an expert. I have never made any claim to the sort.
Sarcasm in a topic that has been beaten to death, without most of the persons voicing opinions about something they really dont understand seems to me directly in the spirit of the OP...
As to an un-wise comment...
It is my firm beleif, as a bowhunter, that anybody who is concerned about using a lighted nock, is concerned about arrow recovery.
Damn right I want my arrow back. You may be made of money, but I am not. And if I can prevent throwing a $20 bill away I am all for it.

If you do not know where your arrow is going to go upon release (or even a bullet, or any projectile) then you have no business letting it fly...

Know your contradicting yourself. Which is it? Do people want nocks to recover their arrow or to be able to take ill advised shots? I can assure you when I let an arrow go I am pretty confident in the area it is going (however....poop happens) and sometimes even though the arrow went exactly where you intended it to you still can't find it.
Quote from: STIKNSTRINGBOW link=topic=149751.msg2044380#msg2044380
When you spend a lot of money for your arrow, no matter what they are made from, the ability to recover said arrow makes sense, but if you have nothing to lose but an arrow, and can eliminate the option then you just might go ahead and take a last light shot (after all that is what the thing is designed for)

Truly ignorant comment. No that is not what they were designed for, but clearly shows your traditional elitest attitude. As far as the rest of your statement, excuse me that I didn't grow up in a hunting household and it wasn't until I was older in life that I wanted to learn something new to pass onto my boys. The fact that you think I don't know what I am talking about because I have not hunted my whole life and am therefore beneath you just again shows your arrogant, elitest attitude. It's people like you that are actually killing the future of hunting. And by my definition a "true" archery hunter is accepting of all those that enjoy the various forms and disciplines.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an un-armed person.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2015, 05:46:18 PM »
That thread is a month old. It's unfortunate that season setting issues take a back seat to the lighted nock non-issue. Archery elk hunters get screwed every year with their non-rut spot and stalk hunting seasons but they can now hunt with lighted nocks.


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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2015, 06:51:45 PM »
I forgot all about this thread..  :chuckle:
I still stand behind my statements though.
  I really should not respond to the accusations that I am "made of money" or that I was contradicting myself, or being ignorant of why they were designed...
Or my "arrogant traditional elitest attitude" and growing up in a hunting household, but just for clarification feel it is neccessary.
I have been suffering financial difficulties since lost everything in 2008 as part of losing a decent job with 4 dependants.
I now understand that the design was intended to be able to watch your arrow in flight to detect tuning issues (I use paper tuning to do this) yet still am of the opinion seeing the arrow in flight during low light situations is the benefit, they are not that obvious during a sunny day at the range.
I also did NOT come from a hunting family, I lived on the streets of downtown Seattle at the age of 14, actually got into hunting because I was tired of eating fish, and too proud to ask for handouts.

And to adress the issue of me "actually killing the future of hunting"  it is all about maintaining the priveledge, because unlike others, I see it as a priveledge, not a right.
"Traditional" to me, is being able to introduce my sport to my children and being able to hand it down as a TRADITION, it makes no difference what weapon you use, but if you choose to play a sport, the first thing you do is not try to change the rules to suit yourself, you play by the rules as they are established.
If, after you are an active participant you can change the rules for the benefit of the game, I support you.
But if you just want to make it easier, I wonder why you are doing it in the first place, cannot be because of the challenge if you say it is "too hard"
Separation of the hunting community has been an issue ever since they started resource allocation, one of these problems has been one user group seeing the benefits another receives, promoting jealousy.
Modern hunters wish they could hunt during the rut, yet are shut out because of the efficiency of their weapons, Muzzle loaders are given limited units and short seasons, Bow hunters get long seasons and near rut...
The reason the seasons are what they are is because the WDFW is forced to make it so that success rates are low, in order to preserve the ability to have seasons at all.
They really have no idea what is going to work, that is why they keep changing it, but one thing is for sure, the game itself cannot afford to maintain a harvest level that will make all users happy and still have animals for my (and your) children to be able to hunt.
So... My "arrogant, traditional elitest attitude" is merely a reflection that TRADITIONAL, to me,  MEANS THAT MY KIDS WILL BE ABLE TO HUNT no matter what weapon they choose, and attempting to change the regulations to make it easier will only put another nail in the coffin of the average hunter being able to hunt.
AGAIN< I DO NOT THINK THAT LUMENOCKS ARE THE ISSUE, merely that weapon choices are simply that, if you dont want to play by the rules, then dont switch.
When the rules are changed, and you like them, welcome !
I will support all new hunters, period.
I do not care what weapon they use.
I just have no use for cry-babies.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2015, 07:50:40 AM »
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2015, 07:54:23 AM »
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2015, 08:40:00 AM »
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?
Why?  :dunno:
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2015, 07:41:31 AM »
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?
Why?  :dunno:

Forgot wa legalized them last year.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2015, 08:43:08 AM »
I used lighted nocks last year and without the little gleaming light I wouldn't have found the arrow. it does help in being successful a little as I was able to see my arrow placement during travel and draw a second time but the deer didn't go to far after the first shot and I would have been able to do that anyways it was just a little faster.

What state was this in?
Why?  :dunno:

Forgot wa legalized them last year.
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2015, 07:29:01 AM »
I used them last year it was nice finding my missed arrow. Not sure how it could increase your distance or shot opportunity it doesn't light up until you no longer control the arrow.

I get better seasons would be nice but I don't see how the focus on lighted nocks takes away from that battle. Same with mechanicals people wanted them and asked for them it was passed and their here.

The seasons issue affects all hunters and would require changing seasons for non archery hunters and that will take much more effort. If all three topics were in play they would all get an individual review.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2015, 07:33:53 AM »
I don't see why people have such an issue with it.  If you use the Clean Shot Lighted Nocks, you're just going to find your arrow faster, it doesn't light up until you release, and you're supporting a local company.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2015, 08:43:07 AM »
I'm with ctwiggs1, Clean shots nicks are the best on the market if you ask me. Practice mode so you burn them up, super bright, waterproof, killer customer service. When I started using them I thought I may have some change in poi but none what so ever!

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2015, 08:47:51 AM »
Do they affect entry into Pope & Young?
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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2015, 08:58:55 AM »
Pianoman not now. P & Y changed thwere rules.

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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2015, 09:07:32 AM »
Thanks. I've avoided them but i might think about changing my mind.
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« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2015, 10:07:43 AM »
If you go with clean shot, tell them kyle jaramillo sent you...

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2015, 10:09:58 AM »
Absolute no brainer to use them.  Why wouldn't you?  The only thing they do is allow you to know exactly where your arrow hit.  This can make all the difference in recovering a hit animal.  Knowing for certain whether it was gut shot versus lungs etc...  Borderline unethical to refuse to use them when they are an option  :twocents:

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2015, 10:19:38 AM »
Absolute no brainer to use them.  Why wouldn't you?  The only thing they do is allow you to know exactly where your arrow hit.  This can make all the difference in recovering a hit animal.  Knowing for certain whether it was gut shot versus lungs etc...  Borderline unethical to refuse to use them when they are an option  :twocents:

Give me a break. 

Reasons to not use them:

1) expensive (breaking, losing arrows can still happen, they are not a flare)
2) loss of FOC
3) don't want to

Borderline unethical?  So it's ethical to gut shoot a deer as long as you know you did? 
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2015, 12:51:09 PM »
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Makes it easier to find you "green" arrow in the dark.

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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2015, 01:09:55 PM »
Why does this topic often get so personal? Ethics, really? If you like 'em, use 'em. If you don't, don't. It's not surprising that hunters have such a hard time getting together on really important issues looking at these last few comments.
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2015, 01:18:38 PM »
Absolute no brainer to use them.  Why wouldn't you?  The only thing they do is allow you to know exactly where your arrow hit.  This can make all the difference in recovering a hit animal.  Knowing for certain whether it was gut shot versus lungs etc...  Borderline unethical to refuse to use them when they are an option  :twocents:

Give me a break. 

Reasons to not use them:

1) expensive (breaking, losing arrows can still happen, they are not a flare)
2) loss of FOC
3) don't want to

Borderline unethical?  So it's ethical to gut shoot a deer as long as you know you did?
How does a lighted nock make you gut shoot an animal?
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2015, 03:20:58 PM »
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How does a lighted nock make you gut shoot an animal?
'cuz they are evil !!
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Not only that, but I ALWAYS know where my arrow hits, not always in the right place, but I can see my arrow in flight, and I have decent follow through...
Once you release the arrow, the arrow is in flight already, nothing changes, other than one has a bright light attached, and one does not.
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AGAIN, I really have nothing against someone using whatever weapon/projectiles they desire.
What I object to is somebody taking up a sport that is based upon presenting a challenge to oneself to become a better woodsman.
Then complaining about the rules being too restrictive.
You do not see a big push to legalize steroids.
Or, maybe the NFL will allow QB to decide how much air pressure they want.
Or, lower the basketball hoop, so short people can play...
Some hunters complain about the quality and quantity of game in this state, and complain about lost access, while others argue over what equipment should be allowed.
It is getting pretty ridiculous.
When you try to tell me that a light on the end of your arrow that turns on AFTER you loose the arrow is necessary for you to be a successful bowhunter, because you do not know where your arrow is going to impact, well, good for you!
You do know there are special permits for handicapped hunters?
Now that they are legal, what is the next step?
Fred Bear wanted to introduce "poison pods" for broadheads, to eliminate wounding loss...
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You go right ahead and use whatever you want, I have a feeling it is not going to have much of an effect on harvest numbers.
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Re: Lighted Nocks
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2015, 10:05:22 PM »
Why does this topic often get so personal? Ethics, really? If you like 'em, use 'em. If you don't, don't. It's not surprising that hunters have such a hard time getting together on really important issues looking at these last few comments.

I agree that was probably too strong a term. 

I still maintain however that lighted nocks are one of your best told in helping to recover game.  We took a bull that didn't bleed at all, and still had the arrow in them.  Knowing for sure we had hit the bull was key to a long, strenuous search to find him.  Pros overwhelmingly outweigh the cons.

 

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