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bear shot placement
« on: April 03, 2014, 03:27:17 PM »
  Curious With The Average Bear Size, What Is The Distance From Brisket To Top Of Back Behind The Front Leg.
 

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 03:33:53 PM »
No idea. Anyway....

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 03:55:13 PM »
Average is kind of a difficult term to wrap your head around.  Boars and sows vary greatly in their shape and an "average bear" could weigh 100 lbs less than another "average bear"

What are you trying to determine this for?
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 04:01:48 PM »
Average is kind of a difficult term to wrap your head around.  Boars and sows vary greatly in their shape and an "average bear" could weigh 100 lbs less than another "average bear"

What are you trying to determine this for?
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 04:05:09 PM »
 There's a thread on here in the bear section. I actually try to take out the shoulder and blow up the heart at the same time. A disected view from the side shows the heart is a little further forward than on deer and elk. I just want to break them down so I don't have to track them as they have a tendency to clot up fairly quickly with the long hair and fat there.

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 04:11:07 PM »
No idea. Anyway....

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 04:12:36 PM »
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2014, 04:18:52 PM »
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2014, 04:26:45 PM »
There's a thread on here in the bear section. I actually try to take out the shoulder and blow up the heart at the same time. A disected view from the side shows the heart is a little further forward than on deer and elk. I just want to break them down so I don't have to track them as they have a tendency to clot up fairly quickly with the long hair and fat there.

 :yeah:

That's the main takeaway with bear hunting - that the vitals are farther forward.  Very easy to gut shoot a bear if you're not knowing what you're doing.

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2014, 04:29:43 PM »
No idea. Anyway....

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I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2014, 04:41:43 PM »
No idea. Anyway....

If you are bored you should stop by tomorrow for a beer...we can chat bear.

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I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....

Do you suggest a behind the shoulder shot vs an in the shoulder shot?
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2014, 04:44:43 PM »
No idea. Anyway....

If you are bored you should stop by tomorrow for a beer...we can chat bear.

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I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....

That's because the caliber they shoot sucks.  :chuckle:
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2014, 05:00:06 PM »
I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....

I think it's all about shot angle.  Many forget when they are trying to break a bear down that you still need to be aware of bullet path beyond busting the shoulder.  You want to get that bullet into some vitals even if you break the shoulder.  Shoulder can be a hard target to hit when you want to hit it :chuckle:
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2014, 09:01:10 PM »


That's because the caliber they shoot sucks.  :chuckle:

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2014, 09:08:01 PM »


That's because the caliber they shoot sucks.  :chuckle:

Oh. Your one of those!

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2014, 06:34:13 AM »


That's because the caliber they shoot sucks.  :chuckle:

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2014, 06:40:24 AM »
There's a thread on here in the bear section. I actually try to take out the shoulder and blow up the heart at the same time. A disected view from the side shows the heart is a little further forward than on deer and elk. I just want to break them down so I don't have to track them as they have a tendency to clot up fairly quickly with the long hair and fat there.

I think Billythekidrock had a great bear cut a way picture in one of those threads which shows the vitals really well..... Hope my memory isn't fading...
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2014, 06:49:19 AM »
the best way to bring down a bear, is a quarting to shot with a direct line from just in the front of the near shoulder straight through to the ball joint on the opposite shoulder, i like a high shoulder shot because it severes the spine, it is a low percentage shot, especially if your all jacked up and cant control yourself, a quarting away shot is great to, but you gotta break them down, bear dont bleed that great, especially in the fall when they are all fatted up, of course you will get those guys that say "i kill bear at 600yrds with a .22, their easy to bring down" well i have killed a few myself, and i beleive in a heavy bone crushing bullet and hitn the bear just right, bear are also great magicians, they can act like they have been hammered into the ground and a couple seconds later they are flyin across the hills side bustin brush.... :tup:
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2014, 06:58:20 AM »
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2014, 08:08:24 AM »
I know a few people with the 'break down the bear' idea, they loose a lot of bear....

I think it's all about shot angle.  Many forget when they are trying to break a bear down that you still need to be aware of bullet path beyond busting the shoulder.  You want to get that bullet into some vitals even if you break the shoulder.  Shoulder can be a hard target to hit when you want to hit it :chuckle:

 :chuckle: easy to hit if you're shooting a bow and don't want to hit it eh?

Rad I remember you talking about the Mrs. and how she's killed plenty of bear with high velocity, low caliber bullets. 

It seems to me there is a lot of focus on big horsepower rifles and "breaking them down" but a fast .257/.270 will do it everytime.  I thnk some folks overestimate the thickness of a black bear's hide.  A medium sized, fast, well-constructed bullet will make jelly out of a bear's lungs the same as a deer's.

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2014, 08:31:45 AM »
I'm no bear expert but what surprised me most on my last one was exactly what many mentioned....lack of blood. The bear was hit well and hit hard. Qtr away shot, bullet took out everything...lungs and liver and broke the ball and socket on the far side. Granted it didn't go very far or have time to bleen much but I didn't find a single drop of blood. Not where I shot it and not where it lay. Between the fat and the fur it can be hard to track.

Pick your shot and make it count I suppose is pretty good general advice.
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2014, 08:41:24 AM »
It is not necessary to break a bear down in order to kill it. How many bears are killed by archery hunters every year?
Granted it does help to take out some running gear... best advice is to shoot for the heart and lungs and they will die.

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2014, 11:31:42 AM »
I have always felt taking out the hindquarters is the best less to pack out :chuckle:

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2014, 12:08:35 PM »
It is not necessary to break a bear down in order to kill it. How many bears are killed by archery hunters every year?
Granted it does help to take out some running gear... best advice is to shoot for the heart and lungs and they will die.
thats good advice, it is always good to take out the lungs and any other vitals, problem though is bear do not bleed that great especially in the fall, ALOT of people lose bear and never say anything on sites such as these, i would bet my paycheck that there are more lost bear every year than any other animal, yes there are more deer and elk hunters but when it come to hunter/ animal being hunted ratio i bet bear would win :twocents: if your a good shot and can control your excitement the high shoulder shot is about the best you can make on a bear because it breaks them right down and they go NOWHERE....
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2014, 12:44:02 PM »
It is not necessary to break a bear down in order to kill it. How many bears are killed by archery hunters every year?
Granted it does help to take out some running gear... best advice is to shoot for the heart and lungs and they will die.
thats good advice, it is always good to take out the lungs and any other vitals, problem though is bear do not bleed that great especially in the fall, ALOT of people lose bear and never say anything on sites such as these, i would bet my paycheck that there are more lost bear every year than any other animal, yes there are more deer and elk hunters but when it come to hunter/ animal being hunted ratio i bet bear would win :twocents: if your a good shot and can control your excitement the high shoulder shot is about the best you can make on a bear because it breaks them right down and they go NOWHERE....
agreed. I have shot 2 bears with a rifle both intended high shoulder one was drt and the other finally died after following claw marks on the ground and blood smears on trees... very difficult trail... then it was close quarter finishing shots at 4 yards with both front paws and teeth trying desperately to get at me... this bear was spiked behind the shoulders amd was not happy about it. Both archery bears were one shot kills and neither went more than 50 yards... one was a great blood trail and the other not a drop... just grid searched general area we heard the death moans.

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 06:50:58 PM »
I prefer a nice exit wound.

Easy to track.
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 09:23:53 PM »
There is a little place along the back called the spine. Find that they have no legs or lungs  :dunno:

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2014, 12:37:42 AM »
There is a little place along the back called the spine. Find that they have no legs or lungs  :dunno:

That little place had better be way forward of where most think it is.  I know of at least a dozen bear I have witnessed that covered ground with only two legs like a healthy mule being stung by bees!  Every single follow up shot I had to make as a guide and every single bite I had to sew up on my dog was the result of that shot.  And not a single one of these follow ups were anywhere near where the first shot landed.  Get close to the neck and it's a great shot!  Get behind the shoulder blade and it's nothing but trouble.
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2014, 01:22:47 AM »
Yes you are correct :tup: Last summer 2 young boys found their 1st bear on there own. They were trying to tell us by hand signals they saw something while we sat by a campfire. We thought it was a coyote so we told them to SHOOT. They started to unload on it which woke us up to go see what was really going. We get there and Its a 2 legged bear biting everything around it. 1 of the young hunters now is getting a half mount and some good memories on his first bear. My bears didnt even moan after the right shot they just quietly dropped. Some other bears with a .300sm through the lung can do circles and really scare turds out of you :yike:

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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2014, 01:26:59 AM »
Some other bears with a .300sm through the lung can do circles and really scare turds out of you :yike:

Getting a little scared is half the fun of bear hunting, isn't it?
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Re: bear shot placement
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2014, 01:35:07 AM »
Specially when you don't have the rifle and the bear is doing 360s at 15 yds :yike: :yike: :yike:
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