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Offline Russ McDonald

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #120 on: September 24, 2014, 12:39:09 PM »
Russ, maybe if you were to switch the muzzleloader and modern, so that modern is in October, and muzzleloader is in November.

Although I really don't have any issue with the way the seasons are now.
Honestly I don't either but I am just throwing out a change that would benefit everyone.  If you talking taking the modern elk and deer and moving them to October.  That would put modern in the tale end of the elk rut correct.  Of course depending on the weather that year.  Wouldn't mind that.  Things can always be tweaked but I think that giving everyone 3 weekends to hunt would make all happy what ever time they hunt.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #121 on: September 24, 2014, 12:43:28 PM »
Modern deer season is 21 days this year, plus 12 days for late whitetail and 4 days for late blacktail.

So with 16 days for modern deer, you'd basically be cutting the number of days in half.

Not likely to go over well with the majority of hunters.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #122 on: September 24, 2014, 12:46:07 PM »
An additional 100 fps second doesn't turn a 30 yard weapon into a 300 yard weapon.  It turns a 200fps/30 yard weapon into a 300fps/40 yard weapon.  Only thing that has extended the effectiveness of modern archery equipment has been the laser rangefinder.  Which coincidently has extended the effectiveness of the modern firearm at the same time.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #123 on: September 24, 2014, 12:46:36 PM »
Russ, maybe if you were to switch the muzzleloader and modern, so that modern is in October, and muzzleloader is in November.

Although I really don't have any issue with the way the seasons are now.
I thought you wanted permit only?

Really only ways I could see to allow as much 'opportunity' as russ wants would be to change *something* that would keep the overall harvest where WDFW could keep the herds how they like them.  Ex:  More antler point restrictions would lower harvest, so a longer season would allow the same number for harvest.  Predator reduction to allow herd increase.  Massive logging spree to make habitat to increase herds.  Equipment regulation to lower harvest to allow for longer seasons.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #124 on: September 24, 2014, 12:53:30 PM »

Russ, maybe if you were to switch the muzzleloader and modern, so that modern is in October, and muzzleloader is in November.

Although I really don't have any issue with the way the seasons are now.
I thought you wanted permit only?

I wouldn't mind seeing more permit only seasons/units and less general seasons, where it makes sense.

But if we're going to have general seasons like we have now, I don't see a reason for a major change in the way they're set up.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #125 on: September 24, 2014, 12:55:44 PM »
An additional 100 fps second doesn't turn a 30 yard weapon into a 300 yard weapon.  It turns a 200fps/30 yard weapon into a 300fps/40 yard weapon.  Only thing that has extended the effectiveness of modern archery equipment has been the laser rangefinder.  Which coincidentally has extended the effectiveness of the modern firearm at the same time.

That is a salient bit of logic. 

Another factor that non-bowhunters tend to glaze over is that it is much more difficult to obtain a responsible shooting lane and to get into position with archery equipment.

I've hunted modern rifle and muzzleloader both.  Safety off, boom.  Maybe a short stalk to get within range or a better angle.

The effort into getting an archery animal is like six rifle seasons combined.

I, for one, am very excited for the rotating start date to begin on the 8th next year.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #126 on: September 24, 2014, 12:57:29 PM »
Russ, maybe if you were to switch the muzzleloader and modern, so that modern is in October, and muzzleloader is in November.

Although I really don't have any issue with the way the seasons are now.
I thought you wanted permit only?

Really only ways I could see to allow as much 'opportunity' as russ wants would be to change *something* that would keep the overall harvest where WDFW could keep the herds how they like them.  Ex:  More antler point restrictions would lower harvest, so a longer season would allow the same number for harvest.  Predator reduction to allow herd increase.  Massive logging spree to make habitat to increase herds.  Equipment regulation to lower harvest to allow for longer seasons.
Exactly what I was thinking.  I know it is a far fetched idea but wouldn't it be logical or is it just me that sees that.  :dunno: :chuckle:

Modern deer season is 21 days this year, plus 12 days for late whitetail and 4 days for late blacktail.

So with 16 days for modern deer, you'd basically be cutting the number of days in half.

Not likely to go over well with the majority of hunters.
Can't make everyone happy but if you make it even then it should be a good compromise.  I did forget about those late modern seasons.  I don't see a reason for changing those because they are pretty much on limited GMU's.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #127 on: December 09, 2014, 10:07:27 AM »
I heard the Saturday after labor was whats being considered.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #128 on: December 09, 2014, 10:26:59 AM »
Well as long as everyone is looking for a special season for their particular hunting method why not have a special season for the outfitters and their packer and guides?  After all they spend most of the season taking other hunters in and out of the woods and get very little time to actually hunt when they aren't baby sitting dude hunters.
Now before you start saying I'm whining I don't think it is any different than asking for special season for PW.  I mean come on look at the dates that are already available for the seasons for MZ and archery.
Another and more feasible alternative would be to just issue a license and allow the hunter to use what ever weapon he chooses until he gets his Holy grail of 1 deer/ elk/bear per season.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #129 on: December 09, 2014, 10:38:17 AM »
Well as long as everyone is looking for a special season for their particular hunting method why not have a special season for the outfitters and their packer and guides?  After all they spend most of the season taking other hunters in and out of the woods and get very little time to actually hunt when they aren't baby sitting dude hunters.
Now before you start saying I'm whining I don't think it is any different than asking for special season for PW.  I mean come on look at the dates that are already available for the seasons for MZ and archery.
Another and more feasible alternative would be to just issue a license and allow the hunter to use what ever weapon he chooses until he gets his Holy grail of 1 deer/ elk/bear per season.

Not everyone is looking for a special season. The archery season has been too early and way too hot to avoid loss of meat. Although I wasn't asking for a change, this one makes sense. And as far as a different season for guides? There are no special seasons for people whose occupations keep them from hunting when they want. When I was in aviation and archery came during show season, that was my choice and my problem. If people choose to be guides, that's their choice and their problem. It's a whole different story. It's the same with guys who own archery shops or sporting goods stores. If you don't like missing the hunting seasons, find another line of work. I did.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #130 on: December 09, 2014, 10:57:07 AM »
Another and more feasible alternative would be to just issue a license and allow the hunter to use what ever weapon he chooses until he gets his Holy grail of 1 deer/ elk/bear per season.

Washington isnt selling an animal it's selling the opportunity to hunt an animal...this let's them allow many more people to hunt an there fore make more money

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #131 on: December 09, 2014, 11:04:40 AM »


Not everyone is looking for a special season. The archery season has been too early and way too hot to avoid loss of meat. Although I wasn't asking for a change, this one makes sense. And as far as a different season for guides? There are no special seasons for people whose occupations keep them from hunting when they want. When I was in aviation and archery came during show season, that was my choice and my problem. If people choose to be guides, that's their choice and their problem. It's a whole different story. It's the same with guys who own archery shops or sporting goods stores. If you don't like missing the hunting seasons, find another line of work. I did.
I could agree too early for getting good rut activity and not enough time to let the woods calm down after the labor day partiers, but the difference in temperature I can't see being a degree or two, and difference in daylight being more than a minute.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #132 on: December 09, 2014, 12:12:53 PM »
I'd have to disagree, Jimmy. The weather definitely makes a big change around the second-third week of September, including rain and temp drop. Almost every year.
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