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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #100 on: August 13, 2014, 04:00:30 PM »
Jason,
        When in close and bugling is it important to try and bugle the same every time, or do you more match his sounds (if any). I'm just wondering if it throws a elk off to hear a bugle with no chuckles and then just chuckles and then a full on bugle followed by chuckles. Second question. I know I've heard you say when within 150yrds you like to do a estrous sound followed by a bugle but after that are you continuing to make cow/calf talk? If you could only use one call what would it be? thanks for all the info your giving up. Not many people put in the time and work you do to turn around and help friends and strangers out. super cool  :tup:

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #101 on: August 13, 2014, 10:02:07 PM »
When in close I try to paint the picture of a cow in estrus and a "new" bull has created a threat.

So I start with an estrous bugle followed by my challenge bugle. I then typically switch to mimicking the bull I'm calling in (if vocal, otherwise I continue with my calling).

If I could only use one call it would be a challenge bugle.

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #102 on: August 17, 2014, 09:58:54 PM »
When in close I try to paint the picture of a cow in estrus and a "new" bull has created a threat.

So I start with an estrous bugle followed by my challenge bugle. I then typically switch to mimicking the bull I'm calling in (if vocal, otherwise I continue with my calling).

If I could only use one call it would be a challenge bugle.

Sorry Jason but this might be a dumb question, what is an estrous bugle and can you give an example of when one would be used?
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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #103 on: August 17, 2014, 10:27:13 PM »
That was a typo.

Should have said estrus whine.

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #104 on: August 17, 2014, 10:42:14 PM »
Pretty Cool thread Jason!!!!

We can talk and talk elk all day long, but really each situation is diffrent.  It all depends on the elk.. 

Plan on using that special call here soon in Oregon! 

Good Luck this year!!

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2014, 05:39:41 AM »
Jason, I've been hunting an area the last couple years that I have never heard a bugle in. I have seen the elk, been in the elk but never heard one bugle, not even late at night or early in the morning. I know the bulls are in there but I Can never get them talking. What would you suggest to get them to talk a little just so I can locate them and try to move in?
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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #106 on: August 18, 2014, 08:52:53 PM »
If they aren't bugling at night that may be tough to get them to bugle.  Try night locating...2 hours after the sun sets.

As far as legal hunting times...I would stick to locator bugles and getting in tight and trying to force the bull to respond. :twocents:


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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #107 on: August 19, 2014, 11:30:55 AM »
Thank you!
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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #108 on: August 19, 2014, 01:55:02 PM »
Thanks for the reply.  :tup:

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #110 on: September 13, 2014, 12:56:20 AM »
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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #112 on: September 23, 2014, 12:23:27 PM »
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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2014, 12:33:50 PM »
Jason,

I was drawn for the multiseason elk tag this year. I hunted hard archery early season and had a pig of a bull patterned. I knew where he would be every morning and night but was outsmarted by 100 or so yards each day. The area I was hunting is SW Washington. There is no muzzleloader season there, so the next batch of hunters will be rifle. I intend to go back into the same area come opening day of modern (in hopes no one else has been there). It is about a five mile hike from the nearest access. The bull had about a dozen cows herded up and they used the same pattern/paths daily.

Do you think the bull will be in the same general vicinity come modern season or do you think he will have moved out of the area? There will have been no pressure to spook him, as I left him in the reprod the last day of archery and will be after him the first day of modern (no muzzy season).

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #114 on: September 23, 2014, 02:30:38 PM »
Jason,

I was drawn for the multiseason elk tag this year. I hunted hard archery early season and had a pig of a bull patterned. I knew where he would be every morning and night but was outsmarted by 100 or so yards each day. The area I was hunting is SW Washington. There is no muzzleloader season there, so the next batch of hunters will be rifle. I intend to go back into the same area come opening day of modern (in hopes no one else has been there). It is about a five mile hike from the nearest access. The bull had about a dozen cows herded up and they used the same pattern/paths daily.

Do you think the bull will be in the same general vicinity come modern season or do you think he will have moved out of the area? There will have been no pressure to spook him, as I left him in the reprod the last day of archery and will be after him the first day of modern (no muzzy season).

Thanks,

The SW Rosie's will typically be in the same general spots. The small raghorns will still be with the herds but if it is a big bull (like you stated), they will typically break off from the herd and fly solo.  I would probably spend the first 30 minutes of the mornings glassing and then dive into the timber. They will often times be in the bottoms where they have feed, bedding and security.  :twocents:

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #115 on: September 23, 2014, 04:06:29 PM »
Thanks JPhelps.

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« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2014, 08:53:04 PM »
Great thread.  I read the whole thing before joining the sight.  My dad got a cow tag for GMU [edit: 5056].  We won't have time to scout it the way we should. What would you recommend to a new hunter like me and my dad?  Here is my plan so far (my dad just relies on luck):
1. Get an elk call, at minimum a locator call.
2. Check google earth for area where elk might go for water somewhere that is also near cover
3. Go there early before sunrise.  Right before sun comes up do a locator call. 
4. Walk closer to elk if one responds.  By this time it should be light. Call until I see it.
5. Shoot.

As you can tell I don't know much about hunting elk so this may just end up being a sight seeing trip.
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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2014, 09:52:45 PM »
hunter9949,
I'm assuming that is the  November 1-12th.  The elk will be done responding to calls by that time.  I would rely heavily on your optics and use calls to stop elk for a shot if needed.  Get to a good glassing point early in the morning, if nothing is spotted hit pieces of timber that look good or move to Older jack-fir clear cuts.  That time of the year it is wet and cold down there and I would prefer to hunt the timber.  Use tracks on the roadside banks to help you make good decisions on what timber to hunt. 

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #118 on: October 16, 2014, 01:39:18 PM »
Yes, Nov 1-4th for me.  Thanks for the info.  Last weekend I was in Weyerhaeuser land and heard an Elk bugle early in the morning.  I'm trying to decide if we should go back there or if we should go to the GMU where he has the cow tag.  It's [edit: 5056].  Never been there.
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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #119 on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:41 PM »
Hey Jason,
Since this is my first Elk hunt do you think I would have better luck at the spot where I heard the elk last weekend (do they hang around)?  or would I be just as likely to find something elsewhere.  The place where I heard it had water and timber, as well as a clearcut. 

We just found out that he was supposed to reserve a spot where he drew the tag and everything is taken so we can't hunt that GMU I referred to in my earlier post.  So weird. 

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #120 on: October 18, 2014, 10:06:13 PM »
The elk will most likely be in the same general vicinity.  I would probably start there looking for elk and sign.

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #121 on: October 19, 2014, 10:37:30 AM »
Great, thank you.

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2014, 03:15:17 PM »
I was wondering about different altitudes with elk. We hunt the east side and I was wondering if there is a certain altitude that elk like to be at at different times of the year. I know there are always exceptions to the rule. In addition, I am wondering about snow. Do they move down from snow or only when the snow gets bad. Thanks


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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #123 on: October 24, 2014, 04:55:21 PM »
  In the Modern Firearm season, where should you look for the elk at? In the colder weather do they usually come down in elevation? Should you sit and wait for them, or go and try to find them?
   Sorry for these really basic questions, but I am a newbie at elk hunting.   

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Re: Phelps/Hunt-Wa Elk Hunting Q&A
« Reply #124 on: October 24, 2014, 07:51:01 PM »
I was wondering about different altitudes with elk. We hunt the east side and I was wondering if there is a certain altitude that elk like to be at at different times of the year. I know there are always exceptions to the rule. In addition, I am wondering about snow. Do they move down from snow or only when the snow gets bad. Thanks


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If you are targeting specific elk that summered up high it typically takes a decent amount of snow to push them down the drainage.

 

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