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What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« on: November 26, 2008, 12:16:59 PM »
I'm going to build myself the ultimate long range custom rifle one of these days soon.   :yike: 

With the recent proliferation of new short magnum cartridges, and rifle cartridges in general, excluding the .50 BMG cartridge, what would you consider the 'ultimate' long range cartridge for short action and long action rifles?  Given the performance and success of short fat cartridges for long range shooting (e.g. 6mm PPC), I'm thinking one of the new short action magnums would be the best choice, but I have no experience with any of them, nor do I want to buy a rifle in each caliber to make an assessment.   :o 

What cartridge would you guys pick?  Thanks!

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008, 12:51:18 PM »
I'm no expert but I would think a HOT 6.5mm cartridge is the way to go :IBCOOL:.

And for short actions 6.5-284. :twocents:
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 01:54:18 PM »
155mm Howitzer  :chuckle:
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 02:20:10 PM »
30/378 or 338/378. JB
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 02:35:28 PM »
338 Lapua
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 02:39:52 PM »
The ultimate long range rifle for what? Deer,Bear & Elk?
My first choice would be the 300 WM just because IMO it's a proven long range factory cartridge that's hard to beat. Now if your talking a really custom chamber I would go with one of the necked down 338 or 378 wildcats just like JDB said. Expensive to load and shoot would be the only drawback.

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 02:50:50 PM »
.338 EDGE... no doubt. Very similar to the .338 Lapua and .338/.378 Roy... but the brass is readily available (.300 RUM). Also, the 300 grain Sierra MK is the projectile of choice for a lot of long range hunters.
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 03:06:59 PM »
I would like to get a .30-378., but the .338 Edge without a doubt has amazing ballistics. I was skeptical at first, but that thing can shoot. .300 RUM brass topped with a .338 shell.

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 03:18:03 PM »
Long range for an elephant, rabbit, or paper? How far is "long range"? a 16 inch off the Missouri should work.
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 05:26:56 PM »
375/50bmg by state arms is the absolute flattest shooting round you will dream up. the big allens, chey tacs, lapua's, wby's and ultra's are your answer.

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2008, 06:08:24 PM »
I'd just keep it simple and go with the 300 Rem. Ultra Mag.

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 06:08:58 PM »
338 lapua. Spelling?

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2008, 06:17:08 PM »
.338 EDGE, Shawn Carlock knows his *censored*
.338 Lapua
30-378

for smaller calibers.
6.5-284
For a short action magnum the 7WSM is WAY underated, very good round.
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2008, 07:08:22 PM »
I'd just keep it simple and go with the 300 Rem. Ultra Mag.

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2008, 09:04:20 PM »
I shoot a 300rum and can shoot out to 500 yards very comfortably.  Great round and pretty easy to find.  I did pic up the new bushmaster BA50 50 BMG for the ultimate LR rifle.  30-378 not a bad choice either but a little harder to find and is a lot more $.  Cant wait to see pics!
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2008, 10:12:25 PM »
I just finished a 7mm mag build a couple months ago, I cant believe nobody put a vote in for the 7mag.  The problem with the big mag calibers is for most and Im not saying all guys but for most they will start to make a guy flinch and acquire bad habits after a few head knocking rounds.  Thats why I like the 7 its a tolerably gun and with the right bullet Coef. and load its got great down range energy even for animals up to and including Elk.  Specs on the gun....(HS precision full length aluminum piller bedded composite stock, HS precision Stainless teflon coated clip conversion kit, Model 700 long action, Bench Mark 27inch fluted stainless barrell with stainles magnum chamber lug I think thats what its called, timney adjustable trigger, and just traded the Huskmaw scope off for a Brand new Leupold Mark 4 4.5x15x50mm Illuminated recticle longrange tactical scope and last but no least a Vero Vellini sling which I think are the best slings on the market.  I may eventually send the bolt out to have it spiral fluted. Had everything trued and blueprinted when I had the barrel made. Heres a couple pics of the build.  Kinda crapy photos, hope you guys enjoy, and lets see your builds!  BC lets see that 50 BMG, wish I could afford one right now.



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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2008, 01:47:13 AM »
Thanks everyone.  I DID say 'rifle' so the howitzers and the 16" canons are 'out of scope'.  However I should'a been more specific to use.  It's kinda fun, but pointless if all I do is drill paper, so yeah, the ultimate long range rifle cartridge capable of taking all North American big game out to 600 yards.  Figure Bison at the upper end of the game size.  Baseline for what I was considering for my custom rifle before asking this question was as short action chambered for the .30 WSM. 

The most accurate gun I've personally owned to date was a Ruger M77 (original model) in .300 Win Mag. 

That gun was laser accurate with the right reloads.  Easy sub MOA at 100 yards, cover three shots with a nickel.  Had a beautiful walnut stock on it too, very pretty rifle... 

While I wouldn't really take a shot beyond 400 yards as I consider stalking close as part of the skill of being a hunter....but for this discussion I'd want the option to shoot effectively out to a max range of 600 yards. 

IMO...that distance eliminates the lighter bullets as they just don't have enough energy to buck the elements and be effective on big game beyond 400 yards.  Whoever suggested the 7mm WSM is thinking along the same lines I am.  Maybe a 6.5mm or 6mm with the WSM case?  How do you calculate the right rifling twist rate for a wildcat like this? 

On the other end of the spectrum, I was very impressed with the .416 Barrett...if you haven't seen this video...it's worth seeing...


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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2008, 08:03:26 AM »
Cool rifle Bearhunter. How much does it wiegh.

Maybe you should look into the 7mmRUM or 7mmWBY for long actions. But for short actions I think a 6.5 on a WSM case would be a great cartridge. I really like the SD and BC of those 6.5 bullets, so they should buck the wind pretty well.

I saw an article on the .416 Barrett in one of the gun mags. cool round.
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2008, 09:03:25 AM »
Short Action = 6.5x.284

Long Action = You almost have to use a .338 because of the ballistics of the available bullets.

Now the .338 Edge for a semi wildcat (no fireforming brass)

I feel the ultimate long range hammer is the .338 Allen Mag.  A .408 Chey Tac necked down.  The numbers are amazing out of this gun.

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2008, 09:14:39 AM »
.300 wm best all around imo
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2008, 11:28:45 AM »
if you are only going to 600 yds, it really makes no sence to go super sized on your cartridge. I have seen multiple deer and elk killed on cull hunts at that range and a bunch more with a 257roy and 30-06. I think most guys start out thinking it takes the biggest rifle out there to down elk size critters at range. the fact is the big stuff gets there a tiny bit sooner and that is really it. at 600 you have to be a pretty decent shot to make clean kills. there is no shooting at moving animals, wind becomes pretty critical, and accurate ranging is important. go have a peek at carlocks kills, he uses the big magnums but to him 600 is a chip shot and 2000 is getting pretty long.

I would say i you have a sub moa gun and lots of practice, you will be fine with any choice.

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2008, 03:37:32 PM »
So it's a 600yd ultimate hunting cartridge......

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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2008, 05:36:51 PM »
A whole bunch of 1000yards competitions have been won with a 300WM.
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Re: What's the ultimate long range rifle cartridge?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2008, 06:20:54 PM »
it sounds like you already have or have had the gun for your needs. that 300wm, is perfect, 7mm as well, actually, better, as it has less wind drift. if your bored just have a custom stock put on that 300, i have two, from a company called lone wolf rifle stocks, i have the howler and the summit, they are both awsome, but its a 4 month wait, and $700.00. Have a bdc turret put on your scope for your favorite load, and buy a 1500 yard range finder, i say 1500, because that really means 800 or less in most situations.
in short, and on the cheap, keep that 300, and just put a customized BDC turret on your/a scope (i.e. leupold custom shop, $175.00). get the rangefinder, (i have a bushnell 1500 with arc $400.00).
simply range your target, dial and shoot. I have a 7mm-08, and have shot two bucks at 402 and 456 yards, one shot drops. i have shot paper and rocks out to 836 yards so far accurately. good luck and have fun burning all that money.

 



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