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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2015, 12:09:28 PM »
If a person has a lifetime license in idaho they will be considered a resident for the purpose of controlled hunt drawings regardless if they live in idaho anymore or not. Still must pay nr tag fees thou if not a current resident.

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2015, 12:10:06 PM »
I would get residency in Idaho and buy a lifetime license. And then I would do the same in Arizona. It really helps your odds when you are in the resident draw in 3 different states.
That's a great idea, but besides being illegal why only stop at three?

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Yeah, I don't know about Idaho, but you're back in the NR draw pool once you no longer live in AZ regardless of whether you bought the lifetime license.  You don't have to buy a NR hunting license (or any hunting license, for that matter), but you're still in the NR draw and pay NR tag fees.
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/licenses/?getPage=78
"No one can claim Idaho resident privileges while claiming resident privileges in another state, except military personnel."

When you have an Idaho lifetime licenses and move out of Idaho you get a free nonresident licenses every year.  The kicker is you are in the resident draw side for draw tags (but still pay nonresidnet fee's for the tag).  So instead of being limited to up to 10% of the tags you have a chance of drawing from the 90% pool. 

I was also told by a hunter ed teacher that it works the same way in AZ.  But have never looked into it.
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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2015, 12:24:21 PM »
I suppose if you were willing to move to Idaho and live there for six months in order to buy a resident lifetime license, and then move to Arizona, live there for six months and buy another resident lifetime license could work but the potential loss of income and expenses associated with the moves would probably be greater than the cost of a hunt.
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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2015, 12:45:15 PM »
I've looked in the Arizona regs on this, and all they say is you will still need to buy a NR tag.  It doesn't say anywhere that you get to participate in the resident draw before you buy that NR tag.  If that were the case, I'm sure they would make a huge deal about it, as that's a very significant benefit.  Here's a link to the summary:

http://www.azgfd.gov/eservices/documents/Lifetime%20License%20Application_2014.pdf

Also, as it relates to the original post, the 10% NR cap is only one limiting factor for Arizona sheep anyway - right now, max points is 26 and there are about 7,000 applicants with 12 or more points (most of which are residents, see link below) applying for 104 total tags.  There are at least that many more applicants with 12 points or less.  You do the math, but Arizona will always be a longshot for someone just starting now.  Heck, I've got like 15 and figure it's a longshot for me in the next 20 years.

http://www.azgfd.gov/eservices/documents/bonus/12-2014/Individual%20Bonus%20Points%20Totals%20by%20Species.pdf

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2015, 01:11:23 PM »
lol at all the 'EXPERTS" in this thread that need to take their foots out of their mouths. Instead of typing maybe you should research a little before you type up completely wrong info. Thank you for proving once again why you should never trust what you read in a forum. Carry on all you 'EXPERTS'



I have called an it is the same in AZ as it is in ID. Also there is a thread on MM about it right now for AZ. And the other benefit is that it will help you draw other species as well. AZ has some of the best elk, deer, and pronghorn hunting in the world. ID you have a better chance to draw goat and moose after you draw sheep. Also neither state has a guaranteed 10% of tags going to non res. They are both "up to 10%" so as a non res with a lifetime license you have a shot at 100% of the tags not 90%.

Here is a snippet from AZ.
Lifetime License Holders
If a lifetime license holder changes residency
status from Arizona, the licensee must then
purchase non-resident stamps, tags, and
permits. older A non-resident tag or stamp can accompany
your lifetime resident license. If
you are a lifetime license holder that has
moved out of state, the 10 percent non-resident
cap does not apply to you.
The lifetime
license will remain legal for the taking of all
wildlife as permitted by law. Residency may
be re-established after moving back to Arizona
and meeting the required time period as
defined below.
Residency Requirements
“Resident” means a person who is domiciled
(claims the state of Arizona as their true,
fixed and permanent home and principal
residence) in this state for six months immediately
preceding the date of application for
a license, permit, tag, or stamp and does not
claim residency for any purpose in another
state or jurisdiction; or is a member of the
armed forces of the United States on active
duty and stationed in: (i)This state for a period
of thirty days immediately preceding the
date of applying for a license, permit, tag, or
stamp; (ii) Another state or country but who
lists this state as their home of record at the
time of applying for a license, permit, tag, or
stamp.
Arizona Residents may purchase a resident
license. All other individuals must purchase a
non-resident license.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2015, 01:20:35 PM by Branden »

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2015, 01:23:25 PM »
 :yeah:  :chuckle: funny when people make up rules as they go.

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2015, 01:38:09 PM »
Thanks, found it on page 4 of the regs.  I missed that before, but the 10% cap doesn't apply once you move out.

http://www.azgfd.gov/regs/springregs.pdf

Unfortunately that doesn't change the fact that you can go spend your 6 months in AZ to get a lifetime license and still be stuck behind 10,000 residents competing for 104 tags each year, and 20% of those go to max point holders.  A new applicant is not going to catch up when max is 26.   
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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2015, 01:40:54 PM »
lol at all the 'EXPERTS" in this thread that need to take their foots out of their mouths. Instead of typing maybe you should research a little before you type up completely wrong info. Thank you for proving once again why you should never trust what you read in a forum. Carry on all you 'EXPERTS'



I have called an it is the same in AZ as it is in ID. Also there is a thread on MM about it right now for AZ. And the other benefit is that it will help you draw other species as well. AZ has some of the best elk, deer, and pronghorn hunting in the world. ID you have a better chance to draw goat and moose after you draw sheep. Also neither state has a guaranteed 10% of tags going to non res. They are both "up to 10%" so as a non res with a lifetime license you have a shot at 100% of the tags not 90%.

Here is a snippet from AZ.
Lifetime License Holders
If a lifetime license holder changes residency
status from Arizona, the licensee must then
purchase non-resident stamps, tags, and
permits. older A non-resident tag or stamp can accompany
your lifetime resident license. If
you are a lifetime license holder that has
moved out of state, the 10 percent non-resident
cap does not apply to you.
The lifetime
license will remain legal for the taking of all
wildlife as permitted by law. Residency may
be re-established after moving back to Arizona
and meeting the required time period as
defined below.
Residency Requirements
“Resident” means a person who is domiciled
(claims the state of Arizona as their true,
fixed and permanent home and principal
residence) in this state for six months immediately
preceding the date of application for
a license, permit, tag, or stamp and does not
claim residency for any purpose in another
state or jurisdiction; or is a member of the
armed forces of the United States on active
duty and stationed in: (i)This state for a period
of thirty days immediately preceding the
date of applying for a license, permit, tag, or
stamp; (ii) Another state or country but who
lists this state as their home of record at the
time of applying for a license, permit, tag, or
stamp.
Arizona Residents may purchase a resident
license. All other individuals must purchase a
non-resident license.

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2015, 01:53:38 PM »
Move to Idaho for six months, pay $1100 for a lifetime license, pack up and move to Arizona to live there for another six months, pay $600 for a lifetime license, and then move where you really want.

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2015, 02:04:43 PM »
If you guys are willing to do all of that and drag your family all over the country just so you have some better draw odds, you're a hell of a lot more dedicated than me.  Have at it.
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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2015, 02:12:50 PM »
The strategy would work well for a young guy.  If a kid right out of highschool could move to AZ and get a college degree while living there and get the lifetime license, then after graduation, get a job in Idaho and after living there long enough for residency, get the lifetime license there.  Then they are set.   :twocents:
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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2015, 02:15:51 PM »
I had a chance to move to idaho a couple years ago between houses but couldnt convince the better half thats what we should do. Now i get limited to 10%, which is still way better odds than wa

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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2015, 02:21:16 PM »
I know several guys who have killed sheep in the Montana unlimited areas, it can be done.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2015, 02:22:48 PM »
Took me a minute to realize the pic was sideways.  :chuckle:
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2015, 02:29:49 PM »
Took me a minute to realize the pic was sideways.  :chuckle:


I was just crawling on my belly from exaustion :chuckle:I wish I was at that time.

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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2015, 02:31:39 PM »
That is hardcore.  :tup:
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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2015, 06:54:23 PM »
I bought the Idaho lifetime license when I lived over there 20 years ago. It was like $400 which was alot for me back then but glad I did it. I apply every year for hard to draw tags and the last few years for mt goat and I have NEVER drawn a tag yet even tho I am supposedly in the resident draw. It has saved me a bunch of license fees but not helped me draw a tag.  :bash: Maybe this is my lucky year.

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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2015, 07:43:03 PM »
I bought the Idaho lifetime license when I lived over there 20 years ago. It was like $400 which was alot for me back then but glad I did it. I apply every year for hard to draw tags and the last few years for mt goat and I have NEVER drawn a tag yet even tho I am supposedly in the resident draw. It has saved me a bunch of license fees but not helped me draw a tag.  :bash: Maybe this is my lucky year.
ive drawn a good mule deer tag and a bull moose tag in the last 4 years.  :P as a true nonresident.
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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2015, 09:45:34 PM »
ID has the best odds...Unit 27 in frank church has the best odds, but its a super tough hunt.

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2015, 09:56:06 PM »
Save your money for five years and go on a dall hunt before those prices go through the roof even more, you won't regret it.  If you wait till you draw in the lower 48 you may never go sheep hunting. 

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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2015, 05:14:07 AM »
ID has the best odds...Unit 27 in frank church has the best odds, but its a super tough hunt.
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 :yeah:cem do the unlimited sheep hunt In mt you will be sheep hunting this fall! I think the odds on 27 have been as high as 1 in 4 for residents? and it is a really tough hunt . I would do the OTC and keep putting in for a qaulity sheep hunt

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Re: Sheep hunting options
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2015, 06:20:40 AM »
Took me a minute to realize the pic was sideways.  :chuckle:


I was just crawling on my belly from exaustion :chuckle:I wish I was at that time.

I wasn't sure if that was the case or if you fell off a cliff and splattered in the rocks.
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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2015, 09:45:17 AM »
Took me a minute to realize the pic was sideways.  :chuckle:


I was just crawling on my belly from exaustion :chuckle:I wish I was at that time.

I wasn't sure if that was the case or if you fell off a cliff and splattered in the rocks.
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 :chuckle: thats funny and it does look like that!

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« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2017, 12:57:39 PM »
I posted a picture in this thread but cant see it? it was a sheep hunt

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ok it worked

 

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