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Offline RadSav

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Re: The little things
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2015, 07:03:24 AM »
Been there, done that.  Don't do it!! :chuckle:


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Re: The little things
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2015, 08:07:54 AM »
Radsav,

I'll be doing some creep tuning eventually but first I have a bad case of TP that needs to be squashed before baselines can be established.  I shot the other night and for the life of me could not float my pin over the spot.  I could only hold directly below the dot.  Now I'm always holding low.  I've also got a big problem with punching my release.  I picked up a truefire hardcore 4 finger revolution a while back and am going to try and teach myself to shoot it with back tension and do a bunch of blind bale shooting at home.  My wrist strap release is a truefire hardcore fold back that I love but I can't seem to stop punching it.

Standing by for your next installment on bow tuning and also wouldn't mind some words of wisdom about Target Panic. :yike:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2015, 08:55:55 AM »
Been there, done that.  Don't do it!! :chuckle:


You'd make more money and have a brighter outlook on the human race if you tune bows for $0.25 an hour!
after i win a million on lottery than I'll spend it all on my archery shop.

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Re: The little things
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2015, 09:00:00 AM »
Printing, err I mean, Tagging  :hello:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2015, 09:47:45 AM »
I'll be doing some creep tuning eventually but first I have a bad case of TP that needs to be squashed before baselines can be established.  I shot the other night and for the life of me could not float my pin over the spot.  I could only hold directly below the dot.  Now I'm always holding low.  I've also got a big problem with punching my release.  I picked up a truefire hardcore 4 finger revolution a while back and am going to try and teach myself to shoot it with back tension and do a bunch of blind bale shooting at home.  My wrist strap release is a truefire hardcore fold back that I love but I can't seem to stop punching it.

Oh Man!  I'm sorry to hear about that.  It's an ailment you can work through, but if you are like me you will never again be able to relax and shoot a bow again.  For me it only goes away if I'm shooting at animals further than 40 yards.  Terrible affliction :'(

After my big nationwide tour I came back almost ready to quite shooting the bow.  Went from a normal 3rdish place in tournaments to being lastish in one year.  Gave up competitive shooting all together.  Which was fine, I never was going to be a Terry Ragsdale anyway ;)  The worst part was I was missing animals.  I had hunted ten states and missed animals in all but one.  And of course the bigger the animal the worse I missed >:(  Something major needed to be done!

Duke Savora talked me into going to Tempe, AZ and work with Al Hendersen (US Olympic Archery Coach).  First thing coach asked me when he saw my bow was, "What weight and draw are you shooting?"  When I told him 31"/80# he took my bow over to the trash can and threw it in.  Walks back over, grabs my finger glove and throws that in the trash too!   We dug them out after awhile, but he made his point. Later he asked why I was shooting a 31" draw length.  When I told him that was the only way I could get my bow to 80# he says, "I'm not sure I'm going to be able to help you with this mess you built..." 

I'm not sure what the name of the shop was there, but Desert Archery sounds about right.  Good enough for the story anyway.  So we go into Desert Archery and get me measured at 28.5" draw length.  Get a PSE Laser set up at 55#.  And get me a Wilson tab.  We also get a Check-it sight and remove the pin.  Replace it with a pin that has a brass washer soldered to the end...No aiming dot!!  Also get some sight black and make the washer flat black.  We also put a clicker on the bow.  Grabbed a few of those as I was told I'd probably shoot a few of them off the bow.  He was right!  I think I screwed up at least a half dozen.  Years later I found one called a "Klickety Klick" that I couldn't ruin.  Not a very good clicker, but good enough for working on target panic.  Believe you can still get those through Lancaster.

At the range I shot a while with sunglasses on.  Lenses were frosted so I could not see detail at all.  All I could see through the hole in the washer was color.  When the entire hole was yellow I would extend through the clicker using back tension and then release.  Shot some of the best groups of my life that first day.  And ruined a good number of XX75 golds.  Desert Archery was making a killing off of me :chuckle:

After four or five days with Coach I headed back to Oregon to work on things alone.  But, after only a month things were getting bad again and I made one more trip to AZ for a good buck kicking.  Was years before I started using pins again.  And by that time I actually shot cross hairs which didn't seem nearly as bad.  I still shoot an aperture with a ring much better than I do a pin.  Especially when shooting a Vegas face where all I have to do is shoot by color.

These days I spend a full month shooting at close distance before season using a back tension release and a Check-It drop pin with the pin nocked out.  I shoot at HUGE spots and work on form and follow through more than sighting.  My release of choice for doing this is the Carter Attraction.  I start off using it as a true tension release and then switch to using it as a back tension/pinky release.  Everything goes back to the basics I learned from Coach.  Of course I have modified a few things to better fit with our modern equipment.  But the steps pretty much stay the same.

About ten years ago I started struggling really bad.  I'd work on the basics over and over and over.  Started thinking it was time to hang it up.  The wife and I went from an 18" tv, to a 30" tv, to a 46" tv and then a 56" tv and I started thinking that maybe my eyes might have something to do with it.  Duh!! :chuckle:  With a lot of special angry squaw talk she finally talked me into going to see the witch doctor and I came home a much more mature man with four eyes.  Been shooting great ever since and my target panic is really well under control.  Unless I just jinxed myself.

This thread is meant to be about little things.  Believe me when I tell you over coming target panic IS NOT a little thing!!  Perhaps after I'm done with this I'll start a whole new thread dealing with target panic and step by step ways to attack it and keep it under control.  Hopefully there were some little things in the above story that will help until then.  Now go get your eyes checked!!
« Last Edit: August 15, 2015, 01:00:15 PM by RadSav »
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Re: The little things
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2015, 10:10:21 AM »
 :)

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Re: The little things
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2015, 10:13:21 AM »
RadSav,

I really appreciate you taking the time to go off topic and share the above story!  The wife has been after me for quite some time to get the eyes checked out.  I will do that for sure.  :tup:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2015, 10:21:00 AM »
If only men could listen to their wives earlier.  But we just never know when that blah, blah, blah, nag, nag, nag is going to produce something useful :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2015, 10:26:02 AM »
Radsav,
I'll be doing some creep tuning eventually but first I have a bad case of TP that needs to be squashed before baselines can be established.  I shot the other night and for the life of me could not float my pin over the spot.  I could only hold directly below the dot.  Now I'm always holding low.

Not to get Rad's thread too off topic but, do you come down to the target or up to it?
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Re: The little things
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2015, 10:29:13 AM »
If only men could listen to their wives earlier.  But we just never know when that blah, blah, blah, nag, nag, nag is going to produce something useful :chuckle: :chuckle:

I just lol'd on that one!  :chuckle:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2015, 11:16:22 AM »
Not to get Rad's thread too off topic but, do you come down to the target or up to it?

I'm not sure there is really any right or wrong answer to that.  But for myself, when hunting, I drop down.  However, when I'm working on basics to keep target panic at bay I mix it up as often as possible.  The more I can keep my mind busy on something other than the struggle of target panic the better off I am.
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Re: The little things
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2015, 11:39:29 AM »
It is always the little things.... Thanks for sharing!!!

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Re: The little things
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2015, 12:56:10 PM »
Little things are like pennies, ya add enough of them together and they add up to something big.
Sometimes, a little thing can make all the difference.
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Re: The little things
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2015, 01:35:26 PM »
Had a chief once tell me sweat the small stuff & that will take care of the big stuff. Great thread

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Re: The little things
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2015, 01:45:25 PM »
Rad, I get panicked thinking about target panic  :yike:  that was a great post that hopefully helps a lot of people.

I have target panic on practice targets but in the woods I've yet to have target panic.
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Re: The little things
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2015, 01:50:45 PM »
I'm ready to take some more notes RadSav. I'm especially looking forward to what you have to say about lowering my anchor.
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Re: The little things
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2015, 03:41:13 AM »
Sorry for the delay.  Just about have all the taxes for 2014 reconciled and completed.  Hope to get a few more off my list before 1Q2015 paperwork starts!
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Re: The little things
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2015, 10:00:11 AM »
No worries Rad. taxes suck!  :sry:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2015, 10:59:48 AM »
No worries Rad. taxes suck!  :sry:

"Start your own business", they said.  "Be your own boss", they said.  "Enjoy the fruits of your labor", they said.  "Owning your own archery company won't even seem like work", they said! 

They forgot to tell me I wouldn't get paid the first three years but would have to pay taxes on fictitious personal income.  They forgot to tell me I'd work 18 to 20 hours a day.  They forgot to tell me I'd spend 80% of my time paying monthly taxes, quarterly taxes twice a quarter and annual taxes four times a year.  They also forgot to tell me I'd be so tired that I'd spend most of my hunting seasons sleeping in the truck while the wife hunted on her own.

At least I know that in five years or less this will be someone else's "dream come true" :tung: :tung: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2015, 01:30:06 PM »
Been there, done that.  Don't do it!! :chuckle:


You'd make more money and have a brighter outlook on the human race if you tune bows for $0.25 an hour!
after i win a million on lottery than I'll spend it all on my archery shop.

Not very fond of money are you  :chuckle:
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Re: The little things
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2015, 01:45:31 PM »
I know how to get a small fortune in the archery business.

1)  Get a large fortune doing something else
2)  Go into an archery business
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Re: The little things
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2015, 02:36:52 PM »
Still nice to go to work each day in sleepers and house pants! :chuckle:  Sleep is over rated anyway.
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Re: The little things
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2015, 02:46:27 PM »
bump.  information overload

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Re: The little things
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2015, 09:51:06 AM »
Been there, done that.  Don't do it!! :chuckle:


You'd make more money and have a brighter outlook on the human race if you tune bows for $0.25 an hour!
after i win a million on lottery than I'll spend it all on my archery shop.

Not very fond of money are you  :chuckle:
who needs money when you can play with bows all day.

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Re: The little things
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2015, 10:45:14 AM »
Problem arises when most of the bows in an archery shop are attached to some dumb...  :chuckle:
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