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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2016, 08:35:20 AM »
Get an Ithaca 3" pump 12 w/choke tubes.  That would be either an 87 or a 37. 

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2016, 08:38:12 AM »
IMO, going off what you listed as birds you would be hunting, I would get a 12 gauge that can hold 3.5", 3" and 2.75" shells.  That way you have the options covered.  I use a benelli nova as my all around gun, for everything.  A bit on the heavier side, but you can beat it up and it still works.

A 3.5" magnum howitzer isn't necessary and just adds extra weight you don't need.  Shotguns are more efficient with lighter loads, not heavier ones.  Anything that flies can be killed cleanly with 2.75" loads of 1 to 1.25oz shot.  My favorite duck/goose load is one ounce of reloaded ITX #4's in a 2.5" or 2.75" hull.   Deadly.

I have a 3 1/2 inch Beretta Explor Unico that weighs 6.5 lbs dripping wet.  So that is not necessarily true.  It handles like a 2x4 on upland birds though.  It is a great pit gun, target gun, turkey gun, but it is a lousy upland gun.   

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2016, 10:59:21 AM »
As I shoot more and more game birds, the more I realize a 20ga is all anyone really needs.  In Souh Africa two years ago we hunted geese, ducks, francolin, guinea fowl, doves, pigeons, and even crows.  My Father In Law and I both brought 20ga O/U's (against the booking outfitters wishes).  The first morning we hunted decoyed Egyptian geese and the PH brought 12ga semi-auto berrettas for us to shoot since according to them, our 20's would be a little light.  We did just fine with those decoyed geese using 12's, but I hated it and wanted my 20.  That evening we hunted ducks and they let us have our our 20's back.  We started smoking ducks left and right and then the passing Egyptians starting flying by.  After we smoked 3 or 4 of those the PH looked at us and said "well I guess you guys didn't need those 12's this morning did you".   We just grinned until we saw a spur-wing fly by.  Admittedly, the 20 would have probably been no match for one of those.  However, I'm not convinced a howitzer could bring a spur-wing down.  If you don't head shot one, even a 12 would be light...  The point is a 20ga will kill nearly any game bird in the world just fine.  Buy the gun that suits you best and don't get hung up on the big boomer craze.  You don't need 3.5" 12ga guns to kill birds.  You need to be able to shoot well and put lead or steel on target. 

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2016, 11:06:35 AM »
As I shoot more and more game birds, the more I realize a 20ga is all anyone really needs.  In Souh Africa two years ago we hunted geese, ducks, francolin, guinea fowl, doves, pigeons, and even crows.  My Father In Law and I both brought 20ga O/U's (against the booking outfitters wishes).  The first morning we hunted decoyed Egyptian geese and the PH brought 12ga semi-auto berrettas for us to shoot since according to them, our 20's would be a little light.  We did just fine with those decoyed geese using 12's, but I hated it and wanted my 20.  That evening we hunted ducks and they let us have our our 20's back.  We started smoking ducks left and right and then the passing Egyptians starting flying by.  After we smoked 3 or 4 of those the PH looked at us and said "well I guess you guys didn't need those 12's this morning did you".   We just grinned until we saw a spur-wing fly by.  Admittedly, the 20 would have probably been no match for one of those.  However, I'm not convinced a howitzer could bring a spur-wing down.  If you don't head shot one, even a 12 would be light...  The point is a 20ga will kill nearly any game bird in the world just fine.  Buy the gun that suits you best and don't get hung up on the big boomer craze.  You don't need 3.5" 12ga guns to kill birds.  You need to be able to shoot well and put lead or steel on target.

I pretty much shot a 20 until the non-toxic mandates came along.  I still use it for upland hunting whenever I legally can. 

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2016, 02:05:16 PM »
Bold words, I might have to disagree with, but that's like a Chevy Ford debate, and you are way more long winded than I am and care way more for your opinion than I do, so I'll just answer her question.   Get a nice 12 gauge


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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2016, 04:11:24 PM »
Thanks for all the replies!
I actually got my shotgun a couple months ago. Unfortunately I haven't had time to shoot it, but after deer season I will. And maybe I'll give another update on how it shoots.  After all the replies I decided to get a 12 gauge Remington express model 870 26" barrel and it can hold 3" or 2-3/4" shells. It's a beautiful gun, and I got it for a great price too it was only $300. I'm still deciding whether the second one should be a 20 gauge, but I think I'll shoot this one first before I decide.
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2016, 08:44:00 AM »
Ironically enough, my favorite pump.   Action as smooth as it gets.  Yay!   You'll like it.

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2016, 09:18:45 AM »
A very solid purchase.  I killed a lot of birds with my 870 before I upgraded.  Good choice on the 26" barrel, that will make it a much better upland gun.
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2016, 12:06:05 PM »
A very solid purchase.  I killed a lot of birds with my 870 before I upgraded.  Good choice on the 26" barrel, that will make it a much better upland gun.

26 or 25 is my favorite. 

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2016, 02:53:19 PM »
870's are great guns.  I grew up with a Wingmaster 12ga with 28" barrels that I love, but I don't shoot anymore.  You can use them for anything. 

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2016, 05:26:11 PM »
12 gauge for duck or geese, 20 gauge for upland.  All other details come down to personal preference.  Ford vs Chevy pretty much sums it up.
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2016, 10:44:11 PM »
nice 20 gauge Remington 870 on weapons classified. I prefer the older ones, only thing I would do is open the choke.

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2016, 03:47:53 PM »
The obvious solution is 16 gauge!  :chuckle:

Seriously, it more about stock fit than gauge...

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2016, 12:39:14 PM »
I'm glade to hear I made a good purchase! Definitely gotta get another 870 next year.
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2016, 04:39:42 PM »
Great choice, especially with all of the barrel options available.  You might want to expand your horizons for #2, pick them all up and point them, you might find a 28 gauge that just falls into place.  Stack barrel even.  Who knows?

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2016, 09:55:18 PM »
Great choice, especially with all of the barrel options available.  You might want to expand your horizons for #2, pick them all up and point them, you might find a 28 gauge that just falls into place.  Stack barrel even.  Who knows?
Thanks for the advice! That's true, there might be one that fits me a little better. I'll definitely test out all my options before buying the second.
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2016, 08:39:04 AM »
Great choice, especially with all of the barrel options available.  You might want to expand your horizons for #2, pick them all up and point them, you might find a 28 gauge that just falls into place.  Stack barrel even.  Who knows?

Been shooting 28 gauges since the late 60's.  Still have one 12, a short barreled turkey gun that I use, but quite honestly the range I self impose on myself to shoot turkeys, a 20 or 28 would work just fine.  I used a 28 on just about everything upland and as long as you know the capabilities of any shotgun, they all work. An open choked 28 in a duck blind on close (25 yards and under) decoying birds is an absolute killer. I might add that a more open choke will make you a better wingshot.  JMO
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2016, 05:08:48 PM »
28 gauge is a great bore if you're a reloader.  Otherwise ammo choices are exceedingly limited and carry very high prices compared to the more popular 20 gauge.  However, pack that little hull with handloaded HW or TSS and it'll kill way out of proportions in a five pound shotgun.

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2016, 05:40:28 PM »
With the ease of buying ammo online and having it delivered to your house, the 28 is a fantastic little round.   You can buy premium RST Pigeon loads for $12.50 a box.  Those little buggers are 1oz of #7 1/2's at 1300fps.  I watched a guy smoke wild late season SD rooster after rooster with those loads.....  Wih that said, I have a sidelock 12ga SxS coming my way that i really don't need.  I have found no reason to need a 12 bore, but this one has a lot of personal meaning as it belonged to one of my best friends, and the guy who bred my current trial dog.  He lost his life 2 weeks ago flying home from a hunting trip in Europe. I will happily carry that gun in the field and hopefully kill many, many birds over it in his memory.  The last thing he and I talked about was me possibly buying that gun from him. 

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2016, 11:02:58 PM »
28 gauge is a great bore if you're a reloader.  Otherwise ammo choices are exceedingly limited and carry very high prices compared to the more popular 20 gauge.  However, pack that little hull with handloaded HW or TSS and it'll kill way out of proportions in a five pound shotgun.
Yeah I really want to get into releoading but I won't be able to offerd all the tools for another five years or so. Thanks for the tip!
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2016, 11:06:55 PM »
With the ease of buying ammo online and having it delivered to your house, the 28 is a fantastic little round.   You can buy premium RST Pigeon loads for $12.50 a box.  Those little buggers are 1oz of #7 1/2's at 1300fps.  I watched a guy smoke wild late season SD rooster after rooster with those loads.....  Wih that said, I have a sidelock 12ga SxS coming my way that i really don't need.  I have found no reason to need a 12 bore, but this one has a lot of personal meaning as it belonged to one of my best friends, and the guy who bred my current trial dog.  He lost his life 2 weeks ago flying home from a hunting trip in Europe. I will happily carry that gun in the field and hopefully kill many, many birds over it in his memory.  The last thing he and I talked about was me possibly buying that gun from him.
Thanks for the advice! Sorry to hear about your friend. Hopefully you'll be able to get some good birds for him!
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2016, 04:11:55 AM »
Over the years I have taken a good number of beautiful guns and tuned them for women shooters.  And it breaks my heart to take a rasp to a perfect piece of walnut, leave putty where there was once a high gloss finish or bend a perfect blue tube.  Most OTC shotguns just do not fit the average woman worth a darn!

When my wife told me she wanted to start upland hunting I had her shoot one of my shorter LOP guns long enough to determine if it really was something she would enjoy.  She hit not one single bird in flight, but confirmed that she enjoyed the experience of watching the rooster rise and the happy tail of a dog goin' birdy. 

It was time to get the right gun for her...and the decision was a really easy one for me.  Franchi!  There are a number of shotguns with adjustable drop and cast, but few that catered to her short arms so she could swing without being over extended and even fewer in the weight she preferred.  After I cut down the stock to match her LOP we spent a few minutes each night for a week learning how to properly shoulder the gun and aiming at a piece of black tape on the wall without using the bead.

Looking over her shoulder for a few days I started adding the shims for cast and drop.  With the shortened stock I even made an extra cast shim to adjust a little bit more.  By the end of the week she was always on the tape when the gun came to her shoulder.  A few shots into a patterning board and the fit was confirmed.  No piece of the beautiful wood or finish was harmed and the barrel was still as straight as the day it left the factory!

I figured it was time to throw her in the fire so I booked a day hunt with Skip at Mayfield Flats reserve and had 40 roosters released.  I told her I'd let her take the first two shots at any rooster that came up.  Took less than five minutes before the Skagit pup put up the first rooster.  She missed her first shot, missed her second shot and before I could get a clear shot she busted the bird with her third!  Next bird one shot, then another bird first shot, then another and another...  After 15 straight birds I decided enough was enough and started to shoot a few myself.  By the end of the day we had not only picked up our 40 birds, but another 20 that had escaped previous hunters.

After the hunt I asked her how she was liking the gun, "I love it!"  Then I asked what she thought of pheasant hunting, "They don't make fun like that in the city!"  She has been a bird huntin' fool ever since!  And the Franchi still remains her choice when restocking the freezer becomes serious business!!
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2016, 01:48:50 PM »
Over the years I have taken a good number of beautiful guns and tuned them for women shooters.  And it breaks my heart to take a rasp to a perfect piece of walnut, leave putty where there was once a high gloss finish or bend a perfect blue tube.  Most OTC shotguns just do not fit the average woman worth a darn!

When my wife told me she wanted to start upland hunting I had her shoot one of my shorter LOP guns long enough to determine if it really was something she would enjoy.  She hit not one single bird in flight, but confirmed that she enjoyed the experience of watching the rooster rise and the happy tail of a dog goin' birdy. 

It was time to get the right gun for her...and the decision was a really easy one for me.  Franchi!  There are a number of shotguns with adjustable drop and cast, but few that catered to her short arms so she could swing without being over extended and even fewer in the weight she preferred.  After I cut down the stock to match her LOP we spent a few minutes each night for a week learning how to properly shoulder the gun and aiming at a piece of black tape on the wall without using the bead.

Looking over her shoulder for a few days I started adding the shims for cast and drop.  With the shortened stock I even made an extra cast shim to adjust a little bit more.  By the end of the week she was always on the tape when the gun came to her shoulder.  A few shots into a patterning board and the fit was confirmed.  No piece of the beautiful wood or finish was harmed and the barrel was still as straight as the day it left the factory!

I figured it was time to throw her in the fire so I booked a day hunt with Skip at Mayfield Flats reserve and had 40 roosters released.  I told her I'd let her take the first two shots at any rooster that came up.  Took less than five minutes before the Skagit pup put up the first rooster.  She missed her first shot, missed her second shot and before I could get a clear shot she busted the bird with her third!  Next bird one shot, then another bird first shot, then another and another...  After 15 straight birds I decided enough was enough and started to shoot a few myself.  By the end of the day we had not only picked up our 40 birds, but another 20 that had escaped previous hunters.

After the hunt I asked her how she was liking the gun, "I love it!"  Then I asked what she thought of pheasant hunting, "They don't make fun like that in the city!"  She has been a bird huntin' fool ever since!  And the Franchi still remains her choice when restocking the freezer becomes serious business!!
Thanks for the tip! I'll have to take my sisters to try out some of those and see how they feel. Eventually I want to get shotguns for my whole family so we can all go bird hunting. They all don't have experience in hunting so I think bird hunting would be a great place to start when I get the money. Which of course will take lots of practice before hand to make sure they can all hunt safely. But I'll definitely keep Franchi in mind for them!
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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2016, 08:20:35 AM »
If you really want guns built for women, look no further than Syren shotguns.  Syren is the brainchild of C.G. and Fabarm to build their shotguns specifically for women.  There is no need to try and make a gun built for. 5-11" 180lb person fit a women.  If you really ant to get into shooting, you should look at them.

Here ya go.  It's 12 bore semi auto, but you will appreciate the lighter recoil.
https://syrenusa.com/syren-xlr5-waterfowler/

If your going to primarily hunt upland, skip the autos and SxS's and go straight to a double.   Doubles are much better upland guns.

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Re: 12 or 20 gauge shotgun?
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2016, 04:40:57 PM »
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