collapse

Author Topic: Bear Spray or Handgun  (Read 13313 times)

Offline Dan-o

  • Site Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Old Salt
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2010
  • Posts: 8051
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2016, 06:53:14 AM »
 :yike:
Member:   Yakstrakgutp (or whatever we are)
I love the BFRO!!!
I wonder how many people will touch their nose to their screen trying to read this...

Offline buglebrush

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2010
  • Posts: 1047
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2016, 07:59:42 AM »
Read an article awhile back that showed statistically you're better off with the spray.
But most have only a 30 foot range!!!! :yike:
I remember one of those kinds of articles, and someone had to break it down by cases.  Guess it had to be situational to actually determine if you were better off with spray.  Lots of the bear fatalities attributed to firearms were hunters/bear hunters.  It was stuff like guys wounding bears and then going into heavy brush to get it.  Or a guy getting shot by a hunting partner shooting at the attacking bear.  Finding a bear on your deer/elk.  The people with spray, generally weren't intentionally getting into close situations with bears in the first place.
or the even greater number of encounters that are not reported but a hunting  tag was slapped on.

Happened to me.  Was out hiking around checking trail cams and a young boar came at me, nailed him with my sidearm inside 3 yards.  It happened to be bear season and i had a tag in my pocket, so worked out pretty good.

Had the same deal.  Mine was shot at about 10 yards.  I seen him coming, and had my .44 mag on him before he saw me.  He stared at me for a moment and then headed straight for me.  Hard cast buffalo bore from a Ruger Redhawk does wonders!  Shot him in the chest and blew an enormous hole out his rear hip.  Pretty impressive really!

Offline brush hunter

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 1030
  • Location: Somewere on Mt. St.Helens
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2016, 08:36:34 AM »
In Washington that is true but not so much in other parts of the country and world. There have been numerous attacks of hunters (mostly bowhunters) in Montana and Idaho in recent years by grizzlies.

Id prefer to keep this related to Washington/black bears. If I was heading into grizzly country I wouldnt be taking a 9oz can of bear spray that shoots 20ft and last 2 seconds.  If I did I think I would be walking funny due to my huge balls.
   Bear spray is great in theory, fact is that 80% of the time your going to get the spray in your eyes. I always carry a hand gun when hunting and hiking. I carry a .50AE Desert Eagle, or my .500 or .44 If I might ask where would you be hunting. 
That's my one shot.

Offline JimmyHoffa

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 9535
  • Location: 150 Years Too Late
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2016, 09:11:30 AM »
In Washington that is true but not so much in other parts of the country and world. There have been numerous attacks of hunters (mostly bowhunters) in Montana and Idaho in recent years by grizzlies.

Id prefer to keep this related to Washington/black bears. If I was heading into grizzly country I wouldnt be taking a 9oz can of bear spray that shoots 20ft and last 2 seconds.  If I did I think I would be walking funny due to my huge balls.
   Bear spray is great in theory, fact is that 80% of the time your going to get the spray in your eyes. I always carry a hand gun when hunting and hiking. I carry a .50AE Desert Eagle, or my .500 or .44 If I might ask where would you be hunting.
The size/type of firearm is another one of those things that messes with the bear spray vs gun statistic argument.  Bear spray is pretty much all the same--big can of compressed capsaicin.  Guns included in stats include everything from .22 pistol to elephant guns.  Probably not a stretch to say that a guy using a .380 with hollow points might have different odds than the guy with a .44 mag with fmj.

Offline dscubame

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Posts: 3266
  • Location: Spokane WA
  • 2013 Idaho Elk Hunt
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2016, 09:33:20 AM »
Bear Spray all the way.  Handguns for bears is for television.
It's a TIKKA thing..., you may not understand.

Eyes in the Woods.   ' '

Offline Mudman

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Posts: 3961
  • Location: Valley of Rocks!
  • Go Hawks!
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2016, 09:39:34 AM »
Spray is under used.  Nearly 100% effective.  Yellowstone Rangers who are charged often use it with near perfect results.  That said a 357 or larger is also very wise.  If bear was on you it can be hard to use spray.  Also cans can get old and not work well.  Both is the best answer but spray is better often.  It doesn't miss, or wound animal like guns can.  A wounded bear will attack instead of just a false charge warning.  Often I read Grizz will charge as a warning but not attack but if you shoot it its a guaranteed attack.  As for 2 legged critters spray will work very good.  Can cause blindness.
Drain The Swamp!!!

Offline brush hunter

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 1030
  • Location: Somewere on Mt. St.Helens
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2016, 09:44:26 AM »
Bear Spray all the way.  Handguns for bears is for television.
Why would that be?
That's my one shot.

Offline WapitiTalk1

  • Site Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Posts: 2700
  • Location: NW Washington
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2016, 09:58:58 AM »
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state.  In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads.  I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice.  I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s
Darton Archery Maverick II
"Sir, left side Sir!" "Are you sure Private Pyle?"
Elknut Field Staff

Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 16488
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2016, 10:06:28 AM »
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state.  In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads.  I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice.  I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s
Yes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Offline Bean Counter

  • Site Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Posts: 13624
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2016, 10:12:54 AM »
He closed his eyes and slammed the trigger!  :IBCOOL:

Offline WapitiTalk1

  • Site Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Posts: 2700
  • Location: NW Washington
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2016, 10:16:23 AM »
He closed his eyes and slammed the trigger!  :IBCOOL:

No doubt.  I think it was the guide, and, he was slapping leather as soon as he saw the triplets on the bank.  Good man.
Darton Archery Maverick II
"Sir, left side Sir!" "Are you sure Private Pyle?"
Elknut Field Staff

Offline Cougartail

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2012
  • Posts: 314
  • Location: Eastern Washington
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2016, 11:01:20 AM »
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state.  In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads.  I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice.  I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s
Yes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.
Just so you know, in the 1/2 a second it takes a bear to cover 20 yards (effective range of spray) a bear won't feel much effect from the spray. By the time it starts the "burn" (if it is an actual attack) it's to late.
The startle effect is all spray has to offer in reality. A firearm blast or horn blast is just as effective.

Go for a long solo hike along a Alaskan stream choked full of salmon sometime. I don't "believe" I want a firearm. I "know" I want one with me in bear country.

I have a friend who has lived at a remote Alaskan homestead for over 20 years. He has never owned bear spray and somehow managed to survive with just firearms. Mention bear spray and he'll reply, "City folks".


Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 16488
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2016, 11:38:00 AM »
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state.  In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads.  I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice.  I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s
Yes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.
Just so you know, in the 1/2 a second it takes a bear to cover 20 yards (effective range of spray) a bear won't feel much effect from the spray. By the time it starts the "burn" (if it is an actual attack) it's to late.
The startle effect is all spray has to offer in reality. A firearm blast or horn blast is just as effective.

Go for a long solo hike along a Alaskan stream choked full of salmon sometime. I don't "believe" I want a firearm. I "know" I want one with me in bear country.

I have a friend who has lived at a remote Alaskan homestead for over 20 years. He has never owned bear spray and somehow managed to survive with just firearms. Mention bear spray and he'll reply, "City folks".
Yes, and I've killed enough big game animals (most far smaller than a grizzly, and nearly all shot with firearms more powerful than common handgun calibers) to understand that very few die within 1/2 second.
I'll take my chances with spray over a handgun.

To each his own. If you feel comfortable with a handgun, go for it.
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Offline bradslam

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jun 2011
  • Posts: 462
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2016, 12:37:51 PM »
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state.  In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads.  I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice.  I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s

Yes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.
Just so you know, in the 1/2 a second it takes a bear to cover 20 yards (effective range of spray) a bear won't feel much effect from the spray. By the time it starts the "burn" (if it is an actual attack) it's to late.
The startle effect is all spray has to offer in reality. A firearm blast or horn blast is just as effective.

Go for a long solo hike along a Alaskan stream choked full of salmon sometime. I don't "believe" I want a firearm. I "know" I want one with me in bear country.

I have a friend who has lived at a remote Alaskan homestead for over 20 years. He has never owned bear spray and somehow managed to survive with just firearms. Mention bear spray and he'll reply, "City folks".

The "startle effect is all the spray has to offer"?  Obviously, you have no first hand experience with pepper spray.  How about you let someone video you being sprayed in the face with pepper spray and we'll post it on Hunting Washington so we can all witness you being "startled"?  :chuckle:

Every time this issue comes up, the macho mentality always comes from people who are going to gun down a charging grizzly with their handgun.  Forget the studies that show pepper spray is more effective; people instead go with the opinion of some friend who has SOMEHOW managed to survive in Alaska with just a firearm, as if it's a daily struggle for life between man and bear.  There are plenty of people who survive in Alaska and other bear country without a firearm, or bear spray for that matter.

Offline Mudman

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Posts: 3961
  • Location: Valley of Rocks!
  • Go Hawks!
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2016, 01:07:13 PM »
Keep in mind good bear spray is like 100xs stronger than people pepper spray.  It is downright dangerous stuff.  Plus its hard to miss just remember to spray at ground in front of animal charge.
Drain The Swamp!!!

Offline davk

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Nov 2014
  • Posts: 165
  • Location: SnoCo
  • Groups: NRA, GOA, BHA
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2016, 03:31:33 PM »
I forget what they are called but there are wipes that help neutralize pepper spray.  Does anyone carry those along with their bear spray, or know if they are effective with bear spray?

Offline Cougartail

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2012
  • Posts: 314
  • Location: Eastern Washington
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2016, 03:57:44 PM »
Keep in mind good bear spray is like 100xs stronger than people pepper spray.  It is downright dangerous stuff.  Plus its hard to miss just remember to spray at ground in front of animal charge.

Wrong! Bear spray is about 1 to 2 percent capsicum. Human spray is 10% plus capsicum.
 Nice try..

Offline WapitiTalk1

  • Site Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Posts: 2700
  • Location: NW Washington
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2016, 04:03:47 PM »
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state.  In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads.  I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice.  I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s
Yes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.

Ha, my hand cannon is a bit more than a "pop".  Things pay attention when that thing goes off  :rolleyes:  I'm all about a solid chunk of lead blasted into an offending brown bear's body to disrupt it's nervous system (even if he's dragging me away by the leg)... I'll get the last laugh if it kills me   :chuckle:
Darton Archery Maverick II
"Sir, left side Sir!" "Are you sure Private Pyle?"
Elknut Field Staff

Offline JoeE

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Feb 2008
  • Posts: 1009
  • Location: Orting
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2016, 04:11:25 PM »
The bear spray fans...what if you are in a tent, or it's windy? I've been pepper sprayed and I'm completely disabled. I'll take the gun every time. I know a lot of guys who spend a lot of time in the Alaskan backcountry and none of them choose spray over side arm.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2016, 04:24:53 PM by JoeE »

Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 16488
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2016, 04:21:22 PM »
Darwin will sort it out. ;)
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Offline Mudman

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Posts: 3961
  • Location: Valley of Rocks!
  • Go Hawks!
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2016, 04:26:29 PM »
Keep in mind good bear spray is like 100xs stronger than people pepper spray.  It is downright dangerous stuff.  Plus its hard to miss just remember to spray at ground in front of animal charge.

Wrong! Bear spray is about 1 to 2 percent capsicum. Human spray is 10% plus capsicum.
 Nice try..
Sorry Bud but you aren't educated enough to "inform me". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spray  Its also illegal to use on Humans as its so potent and can damage eyes easily.
Drain The Swamp!!!

Offline Cougartail

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2012
  • Posts: 314
  • Location: Eastern Washington
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2016, 04:26:41 PM »
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state.  In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads.  I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice.  I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s

Yes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.
Just so you know, in the 1/2 a second it takes a bear to cover 20 yards (effective range of spray) a bear won't feel much effect from the spray. By the time it starts the "burn" (if it is an actual attack) it's to late.
The startle effect is all spray has to offer in reality. A firearm blast or horn blast is just as effective.

Go for a long solo hike along a Alaskan stream choked full of salmon sometime. I don't "believe" I want a firearm. I "know" I want one with me in bear country.

I have a friend who has lived at a remote Alaskan homestead for over 20 years. He has never owned bear spray and somehow managed to survive with just firearms. Mention bear spray and he'll reply, "City folks".

The "startle effect is all the spray has to offer"?  Obviously, you have no first hand experience with pepper spray.  How about you let someone video you being sprayed in the face with pepper spray and we'll post it on Hunting Washington so we can all witness you being "startled"?  :chuckle:

Every time this issue comes up, the macho mentality always comes from people who are going to gun down a charging grizzly with their handgun.  Forget the studies that show pepper spray is more effective; people instead go with the opinion of some friend who has SOMEHOW managed to survive in Alaska with just a firearm, as if it's a daily struggle for life between man and bear.  There are plenty of people who survive in Alaska and other bear country without a firearm, or bear spray for that matter.

I had a can of 10% capsicum burst on me that was sitting on the dash of my truck. I was able to drive back home and wash my eyes out. Skunk spray in the eyes was far worse.

I think I'd be ok with 1% or 2%. The fact that I wouldn't trust my life to spray isn't a "macho mentality" except maybe to "soft" males.

By the way I've sprayed plenty of dogs with 10%. Had a pair of Dobermans that weren't  impressed at all by spray. A bicycle pump over the head impressed them..

Offline JoeE

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Feb 2008
  • Posts: 1009
  • Location: Orting
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2016, 04:28:54 PM »
Are there lots of stories of guys being mauled to death with guns in their hands vs pepper spray? I don't think there are. Both are effective but since I'm most worried about an encounter at night while I'm in the tent I'm going to bring the gun. Shoot pepper spray in a tent and let me know what it's like. I've shot pepper spray into the wind and had it come directly back in my face. I'm not willing to take that risk with a bear coming towards me.

Offline Mudman

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Posts: 3961
  • Location: Valley of Rocks!
  • Go Hawks!
Re: Bear Spray or Handgun
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2016, 04:31:27 PM »
Cougar I think you cant see the decimal in front of your quoted 10%.  Its .1%  My point is spray is great!  AND a gun is real good.  Kinda like an airbag and a seatbelt..
Drain The Swamp!!!

Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 16488
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

 

* Recent Topics

First bear ever! Alpine by Stalkin Prey
[Today at 05:46:59 AM]


Does anyone actually rinse their deer with a hose after it has been skinned?WHY? by Buckewe
[Today at 05:40:01 AM]


2017 Deer, post them here (photos & stats) by Wanttohuntmore
[Today at 05:37:47 AM]


Just thought I would share by E35alex
[Today at 05:34:07 AM]


300wsm for trade by TeacherMan
[Today at 03:59:49 AM]


Season is over too soon by redi
[Today at 02:13:42 AM]


WTB Size small QUALITY WOMANS hunting clothes by TeacherMan
[Today at 02:10:46 AM]


Notched My Multi-Season Tag This Mornin' by Mfowl
[Today at 12:11:07 AM]


Son's first buck and unique shooting style by cbond3318
[Yesterday at 11:42:30 PM]


Buck Down by Blacktail Sniper
[Yesterday at 11:41:16 PM]


What gun for bear, for wife? by Blacktail Sniper
[Yesterday at 11:27:52 PM]


Subaru head gasket and timing belt questions by floatinghat
[Yesterday at 11:21:34 PM]


Coyote or wolf track by Okanagan
[Yesterday at 11:09:59 PM]


Nooksack bull down and Congratulations wifey! by Piscatory_5
[Yesterday at 11:08:05 PM]


Should 209 primers be legal? by floatinghat
[Yesterday at 11:06:11 PM]


Age 10 Girl Proudly Kills 220-Pound Black Bear. Mom Fires Back at Haters After B by mfswallace
[Yesterday at 10:37:35 PM]


the coming storm??? by lokidog
[Yesterday at 10:36:34 PM]


Goose Prairie Bull Elk Hunt by Naches Sportsman
[Yesterday at 10:29:11 PM]


Wapiti Wednesday by pd
[Yesterday at 10:24:38 PM]


As They Lay 2017 by lokidog
[Yesterday at 10:10:23 PM]