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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2016, 10:56:12 AM »
Nice looking pup Fred.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2016, 11:02:54 AM »
Good looking pup, Fred. It's good to hear you're coming home.  :tup:
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2016, 11:11:56 AM »
I have zero experience with leopard curs so I have absolutely no opinion about them. I appreciate you taking time to explain, your comments have sparked an interest. I'm surprised to hear that you think they are as cold nosed, I hadn't heard that before. A very cold nose isn't that important to me these days as I only turn loose on fresh tracks due to the potential of wolves and the big country in some of the areas we hunt now, I simply am not wanting to hike anywhere near as far as I did when I was 20 years younger, but I'm surprised to hear about their noses.

I only keep 4 hounds which right now happen to be a walker, a bluetick cross, and two plotts. My son has lots of hounds (mostly walkers) like I used to keep because he does more bear hunting. One of my hounds is in his last years so I'm keeping my eyes open for a replacement. Unlike most other guys our hounds are quiet, most of my hunters don't even realize we have hounds, it's just a matter of a little training. Most all our hounds will follow us out, but not as easily as you described. We'd have to lead them a couple hundred yards from the tree and then keep a close eye they don't go back. I usually lead mine halfway out so I know I don't have to go back.  :chuckle:

My son has a little terrier that has fit in well, she doesn't do long chases but she works very well to leave loose at the tree when we are shooting something out, especially if somebody makes a bad shot, she's right after whatever hits the ground and will tree it or bay it alone, she also doubles as a blood tracker to find deer and elk that we can't find, which is legal in Idaho. You can sick her on anything and usually call her off anything, if she gets too far out she just quits and comes back. Additionally there are no mice, moles, gophers, or rats that live when she's around!  :chuckle:

I tried an airdale cross once but he was too growly, I got rid of him. We like our walker hounds a lot and have good blood lines that reproduce well, but I'm not narrow minded to what breeds of dogs I keep. People often ask what breed I prefer and even though we do like our walkers I usually say "hounds that catch game" because I've owned good hounds of every breed. I may look into one of these leopards a little more, thanks again for your comments. :tup:
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2016, 11:35:58 AM »
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2016, 11:47:53 AM »
When you get your pack together can I come along on a cat or bear hunt? Always wanted to tag along and experience it!

Sure, you just wouldn't be allowed to hunt over them as I will be hunting Idaho and I cannot guide anyone over there.  They have very strict rules, I couldn't even take a soda off of you or gas money.  But you are more than welcome to come and take photos.
Heck ya! I understand that someone else would have to hunt or shoot or just let everything go. I just want to experience it all and chase after those dogs!  :chuckle:

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2016, 03:31:28 PM »
Careful it's addicting!!!  :)  Looking forward to it.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2016, 11:09:59 PM »
Great looking pup. Keep us posted on how she progresses. I have never hunted behind hounds but would really love to some day.

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2016, 11:14:53 PM »
Machias, I assume youhave a deal with the state to allow you to use dogs on bear?

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2016, 03:54:20 AM »
Machias, I assume youhave a deal with the state to allow you to use dogs on bear?

Nope, I only hunt Idaho, when I can draw the non-resident houndsmen permit.  But when we move back we are hoping to find a place just across the border and live in Idaho....for just this reason.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2016, 11:03:18 AM »
 Machias, Thanks for posting all the info on the curs. I also never knew much about them.  I had two buddies I used to hunt bear with who both had one cur each(not leopard cur) they ran with their hounds. They seemed to have some good days and some bad days probably would have done better had they not hunted them like hounds. I had an eye opener on hounds this year hunting with a guy who had 8 walkers and a mixed up dog. We struck a bear and I thought it was better than it was I dumped my box and the other guy dumps his. The dogs were not barking much and having a hard time lineing it out. It was just a real cold one I think. He called all his dogs back and him and my son go on up the mountain and strike another one which they tree. It is a small sow that they don't want to shoot so my buddy calls his dogs off the tree and starts walking out(no leashes). Almost immediately the sow jumps when they are maybe 20 yards from the tree. He tells them no dead bear and they want to go but follow him out of the woods.  I got this from my friend and my son told me that's exactly  how it went. I was not there because I was still retrieving one of my dogs who wouldn't give up on the cold one and went forever into some hole. I never thought I even wanted a dog I could call off of good game but this has definitely changed my mind. Anyways I thought I would share that story because it was similar to what you experienced with curs. I am definitely going to re think my training and at least this one guy was able to train his hounds to do it. Sure saves a lot of headaches. I am not trying to contradict what you are saying about curs and with my limited knowledge have heard the same things you said about them just thought it was interesting that I kinda had the same experience this spring.             

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2016, 06:49:40 PM »
I apologize for giving the impression that hounds could not be trained that way, that was not my intention.  I too have seen well behaved hounds, most of the time it is the houndsmen.  I also think a lot of guys either don't try because they were like me and thought it was next to impossible, so they never try or they try and give up because "some" hounds can be hard headed and tough to train.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2016, 06:17:44 AM »
 :tup: have fun with your cur! It's a great looking pup. I didn't think you were saying hounds couldn't be trained that way just that curs are easier to train that way and I have been told that same thing from other hounds men that I respect. I think you are right that the cur is more eager to please and probably a lot less hard headed. All I know is what people have told me

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2016, 08:13:55 AM »
 :tup:

They are not for everyone.  Lots of guys like everything about a hound.  I like certain things about hounds, but found my training and hunting, since switching to curs, is more enjoyable.  :)
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2016, 08:37:56 AM »
I was fortunate enough to have the chance to hunt cats over a pack of American Leopard Curs this past winter on a over night snowmobile trip. I was impressed with how they handled vs the hounds we had their as well. they seemed to want to be loved and pet more than the hounds. they are weird lookin critters though :chuckle: and small compared to the blue and red dogs we had their. cool dogs for sure!
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2016, 07:49:55 PM »
 :) :tup:
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2016, 10:47:54 AM »
I really hope that somehow you end up with a litter of pups... My wife would not be thrilled but that's okay  :chuckle:
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2016, 01:45:38 PM »
I've been looking at Mountain Cur's. I would like to get a dog to hunt with. Could a person run coons / cats / bears with a single cur? Are there any Cur breeders around here?

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2016, 04:03:35 AM »
You can certainly run a single dog on all those animals but it's not advised on lions and bears.  I like at least 2 dogs on lions and at least 3 to 4 on bear.  There are some cur breeders in WA and OR, not sure about Mountain Curs, but I'm pretty sure you could find a breeder not too far away.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2016, 04:04:11 AM »
I really hope that somehow you end up with a litter of pups... My wife would not be thrilled but that's okay  :chuckle:

Be a couple of years, but when I do have a litter you are more than welcome to have one.  :)
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2016, 11:43:13 AM »
I really hope that somehow you end up with a litter of pups... My wife would not be thrilled but that's okay  :chuckle:

Be a couple of years, but when I do have a litter you are more than welcome to have one.  :)

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2016, 07:30:19 PM »
Lahar is really growing and turning into a nice pup.  She is almost 6 months old now.








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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2016, 07:49:10 PM »
good looking dog, if you ever want to get together with another cur dog and hunt when you get back up here let me know!

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2016, 10:44:58 PM »
Nice Looking pup. Thanks For sharing!!

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2016, 04:13:39 AM »
good looking dog, if you ever want to get together with another cur dog and hunt when you get back up here let me know!

Will do, I already have another Leopard Cur pup in WY that I am picking up on my way back to Idaho.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2016, 04:14:01 AM »
Nice Looking pup. Thanks For sharing!!

Thanks!  Can't wait to see how she does on some cats and bears.
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