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Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:53:22 PM »
Gentleman,

I know this is probably going to incite a riot, I mean no disrespect, nor do I mean to insult any of you out there.  When I moved to this state I was an avid bird hunter.  I worked very hard for the spots I enjoyed for years in California and Arizona.  It took patience, burning boot leather, getting to know my local and regional biologists and giving back to organizations like the now defunct QU and other smaller regional organizations as such.

I knew that I was going to have to essentially start over once I settled into the state.  I used the same methods in WA as I did in Cali, and in the first year I was not only successful hunting Chukar, but quail as well.  From there, I reached out to public resources, burned the boot leather and continued to grow my knowledge of great upland habitat, which lead to successful hunting areas.  I have also had the good luck of meeting a few folks in my travels that have been very helpful showing me new areas to invest in.  I came across the forum about 5 years ago or so.  Since then I have met a few great people and created a relationship with them.  However, I am not hounding folks on this forum for their hunting spots.  Yes, I have been approached over the years on this forum, and in most cases will be cordial with my responses, but am not going to spill the beans.  Please be respectful of those on this forum and just because you see success being posted, does not mean we will give away the farm.  I know some people out there have tried to be generous and it has burned them.  This state has done such a good job with providing good information, use it before you automatically hit us up for spots to hunt. 
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2016, 08:59:05 PM »
Lots of people want the info but not the work required to get it... I know of a couple of extremely successful hunters who now rarely post pics because of this issue.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2016, 09:03:55 PM »
Good post. It's the exploring around & burning the boot leather & tire rubber that's 1/2 the fun. At least it is for me

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2016, 09:24:25 PM »
Lots of people want the info but not the work required to get it... I know of a couple of extremely successful hunters who now rarely post pics because of this issue.
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I have been burned several times and no longer post pics or stories. I will send pics and info to select folks on here through pm.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2016, 09:32:25 PM »
It took patients,burning boot leather.

I burned the boot leather and continued to grow my knowledge of great upland habitat, which lead to successful hunting areas.  I know some people out there have tried to be generous and it has burned them.

Had to disect your post Merkle.

It takes a lot of time and boot leather to find chukar honey holes. A few of us probably scout for chukar and huns harder than most people do for deer and elk. I put 250 miles on thr boots this spring in bird country alone. I drive to areas in the evening during the spring and summer and listen for birds.

Been to friendly a few years ago about a spot and it bit me in the ass.

 I am done helping people find chukar.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2016, 09:42:09 PM »
Chukar?  Man I know where a ton of them dang birds are!  Never hunted one in my life.   Didnt know it was such a secretive thing
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2016, 10:00:41 PM »
Glad some of you guys are into the chukar thing. Hard for me to get amped about a non-native bird that I can order from a catalog  :chuckle:

Maybe not chukar specific info but this is how I feel about "spots" or "honey hole". I could post exact GPS coordinates to a place I consider a honey hole. Maybe even the exact spot I have killed an OTC elk. 50% of the people wouldn't go for lack of physical shape or lack of desire/confidence. 40% might go but wouldn't know how to hunt it enough to distinguish it from any other area. The final 10% wouldn't go because they have better spots already  :chuckle:

Point being, your spots are your spots because you know something about them that nobody else knows. And if it's for chukar, well I suppose it's good clean fun but I don't get why folks get riled up to hunt them. All I know is shoot them the first time because all they do is run uphill after that.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2016, 10:10:48 PM »
Over the years, I have received a ton of help form people on this site.....   and I have tried to reciprocate.

Honey holes are a sensitive thing..........   Obviously, people don't tend to give them up.

But, helping people is part of the journey.

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2016, 10:12:06 PM »
Hard for me to get amped about a non-native bird that I can order from a catalog  :chuckle:



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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2016, 10:21:16 PM »
One thing I've learned is that it is easy to help people without giving away the farm. 
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2016, 10:27:20 PM »
Well I never hunted chuckar.

But I try to help out new hunters as best I can. I guess I don't have the honey holes most of you have to give up.

Most places I hunt someone else was there first. Hunting is so much more than harvesting things.

Like we say "If you came for the meat,you came for the wrong reason."

Most folks who know me or our camp know where we hunt.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2016, 10:52:36 PM »
Some of the best times I have in the woods is doing all the work to find those spots....not once do I ever regret being in the woods

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2016, 06:20:43 AM »
Loose lips sink ships. Pretty simple, if you want a spot to yourself or family, keep mouth closed.

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2016, 06:35:25 AM »
When you guys say that you shared information and were "burned," what are you talking about? Does that just mean that you told someone about your spot, then saw them hunting your spot?

I guess I've never had a bad experience sharing hunting information. I have a select few guys that I share all of my scouting information with and they reciprocate with me. If they kill something in a spot I found, good for them. It lets me take credit for a buck even if I wasn't hunting that day.

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2016, 06:59:52 AM »
I am sorry to hear that people withhold good stories and photos because they are afraid to lose a spot.  It seems to me you can still tell your story without giving up your spot and if people ask you just decline to give specifics.   Maybe they are tired of the hassle?  I don't know but sorry to hear it has to be that way.

I know some folks object to photos being posted by someone else of a spot they also know to be good.  I've always thought that if someone can recognize where you are, they already know the spot, so you aren't giving up anything.  For the rest of us we just enjoy the photo and the story and hope to find a spot like that someday.

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2016, 07:07:05 AM »
I think being burned is when you have a spot or area that you never see anyone in. You take some one new and either there ends up always being some one in it, or it gets over hunted and is no longer a good spot.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2016, 07:17:22 AM »
This isn't a one-size-fits-all situation. Sometimes, someone's in a spot with a family member who's getting older or one who's just starting out and pointing them in the right direction may mean the difference between an enjoyable hunt or a disappointment. Sometimes someone is serving and moves here to JBLM from another state and has limited time to scout. There are others when someone just too lazy and wants free info. You have to decide who you help and who you don't.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2016, 07:33:14 AM »
I've never thought of my hunting areas as special spots. Sure I have areas I go and generally see animals, but its not guaranteed. Its not like my halibut and ling holes that produce every time and a few feet either way makes a huge difference.  I cant tell you to go into canyon X, cross the creek turn right at the big tree and a bull elk will be standing there every time.

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2016, 08:16:58 AM »
When you guys say that you shared information and were "burned," what are you talking about? Does that just mean that you told someone about your spot, then saw them hunting your spot?

I guess I've never had a bad experience sharing hunting information. I have a select few guys that I share all of my scouting information with and they reciprocate with me. If they kill something in a spot I found, good for them. It lets me take credit for a buck even if I wasn't hunting that day.

I can give my example of being burned for sharing.  Several years ago, a new guy started at work, avid hunter, moved to the area for the job and seemed like an okay Joe.  That October, I took him up to a place I called "The Canyon."  I told him that I only brought a few people there and that it was the best and most productive spot we had found because we were very careful about distrubing the area.

It had produced bucks, starting the first year I hunted it and for several consecutive seasons since.  Wasn't by any means a hard to access, difficult to find spot. 

But was just off the beaten path enough, that probably 1 out of a couple dozen trucks passing through the area would even conside the road that lead into it.

Anyway, took him up there showed him around the general area and some productive spots to be extra mindfull of including The Canyon.  A shortime later, after his days off, he came back and said that he had been up in The Canyon over the weekend.  When asked how it was, he said him and the guys had been all over it, ran out all the little fire trails and such with the 4 wheelers.....  They all thought it was a great place!!!

What he had done was call all his former hunting pals and a group came down and brought their quads.  Again, this was not some exclussive location that only I had access to, it was just one of those spots that if you know how it works, it works, and if you don't you might go there once and never come back.






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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2016, 08:24:30 AM »
Good topic, merkleman.

Yes some folks can be down right demanding of "The Spot". Over the years, I've changed from being specificly helpful to pointing folks to the information sources available. The lazy seldom want to make that effort and persist in internet scouting.

Please continue to post the birds and those beautiful shotguns. I guess caution is wise to the background, but I am naive as to how a general background (in most cases) can I.D. a specific location?

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2016, 08:34:11 AM »
I'm going to add my thoughts, as this topic has been on my mind quite as bit.  I'm a new, new, new hunter.  I don't have any local friends that hunt regularly.  My husband has hunted the Yakama reservation with family, so that's not an option for me either.  I have honestly been a little disappointed in the forum when people ask for help finding a spot.  I see many posts go unanswered where people are hoping to start out, maybe with rabbit or some other small game.  I don't see the harm in someone responding on what general area and types of features to look for when hunting a particular animal.  Here's why... the more hunters help each other find success, the more people will stay hunters, and the more people you have contributing con conservation and voting in favor of hunters.  I've noticed that these folks eventually stop asking and go away.  I would hope that some of you that want hunting to stick around will mentor new hunters, maybe just talk about what to look for (e.g. fields or a particular type, etc), or offer a word of encouragement.   :twocents:

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2016, 08:35:19 AM »
Lots of people want the info but not the work required to get it... I know of a couple of extremely successful hunters who now rarely post pics because of this issue.

I am happy to share where I do my rock chuck shooting in central or eastern Washington:  East of the PCT, north of Umatilla, west of Post falls and south of Oroville

All kidding aside if you have seen the photos of my shoots and rockchucks you will see that any identifying landmarks are cropped or obliterated. 

I am completely done inviting anyone new to go chuck hunting or any other hunting for that matter who doesn't have anything invested or who hasn't invited me to go to places they have to hunt/fish, from now on it will be my and my seven-year old daughter and my other two kids when they get old enough and a couple trusted friends/shooting partners.  No one new ever again.  Period.  Full stop. 

If you want to know why... I think I have pretty well covered what happens when someone with no investment in finding rockchuck colonies finds out where a colony is.  It is no different with chucker hunting spots or anything else for that matter. 

 http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,184670.msg2478465.html#msg2478465

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2016, 10:30:08 AM »
I know this doesn't apply to most on this forum, but please, please get permission from landowners before hunting their land.  I hit some new areas this past two weekends, and almost every farmer said, "Thank you for asking, most people don't bother."  Just because it isn't big game, or isn't posted perfectly, doesn't give anyone an excuse to hop out and pop a pheasant, etc.  It really hurts our image.
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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2016, 03:41:18 PM »
I've found the best way to shut someone up hounding you about where you hunt is to say "It's my buddy's spot and I promised not to tell anyone". Nobody seems to care how many hours you spend looking at aerial maps or how many miles you put under your boots to find some good hunting spots.

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Re: Giving up the special spots - Forum etiquette
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2016, 04:02:05 PM »
I've found the best way to shut someone up hounding you about where you hunt is to say "It's my buddy's spot and I promised not to tell anyone". Nobody seems to care how many hours you spend looking at aerial maps or how many miles you put under your boots to find some good hunting spots.

I have found that I can get the point across with a single raised finger or two.