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Got drawn for a lion tag.
« on: November 04, 2016, 05:05:19 PM »
I posted a "quick question" about a month ago wondering about putting in for a Washington nuisance lion permit. Well, i had a message left on my phone today telling me that I'd been drawn for one. I'm going to call Monday and get the particulars but the way the message went was that I had to be a "dog hunter". Now my question is, do any of you guys know for sure if I need to be the dog owner? If so, I'll call and take my name out.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2016, 05:08:11 PM »
Yes.  You need to be a hound owner to apply.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2016, 05:16:01 PM »
Well, that would have been good information to have on the e-mail asking if I wanted to apply.
I figured that might be the case but I don't generally draw stuff like this, so I didn't worry about it.

     Thanks for the info.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2016, 08:18:42 PM »
2nd bullet point in email....

To be eligible for a cougar management removal permit (permit), the participant must be a Washington resident dog hunter (i.e., owns and hunts with dogs capable of detecting, tracking, and treeing a cougar) . The permit holder must use dogs while participating in a cougar management removal.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2016, 08:29:48 PM »
Before you pull your name out you must know a hound owner maybe in the Burnett area????? A good friend with hounds will be so happy to be your friend.
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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2016, 08:44:56 PM »
You don't have to be the owner of the dogs. You just have to have dogs available to you for the hunt. There will be plenty of guys and most likely alot from this forum that will want to run their dogs for you. good luck on your hunt. :tup:

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2016, 09:31:33 PM »
You don't have to be the owner of the dogs. You just have to have dogs available to you for the hunt. There will be plenty of guys and most likely alot from this forum that will want to run their dogs for you. good luck on your hunt. :tup:
That's false. It says clearly that you are to be a hound hunter that owns and hunts with dogs.  This is the reason the pilot program got scrapped, because everyone in the state applied and when a person got a tag that didn't have dogs (most of the tags...) They were hiring outfitters and trying to make it something that it was not designed for.  This is a damage hunt designed to give hound owners an opportunity to use their dogs. 

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2016, 09:44:25 PM »
Correct.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2016, 11:09:42 PM »
2nd bullet point in email....

To be eligible for a cougar management removal permit (permit), the participant must be a Washington resident dog hunter (i.e., owns and hunts with dogs capable of detecting, tracking, and treeing a cougar) . The permit holder must use dogs while participating in a cougar management removal.

That's a copy and paste of the email. Lines 2-3 sum it up.
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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM »
.i.e means for example. It does not say anywhere you have to use your own dogs. I can be a dog hunter with friends and not own a single dog.

In our state the way the regs are written... if it isn't in there then it's not against the rules. Kinda backwards but that's how they do it.

It says at the end the permit holder must use dogs. It does not say the permit holder must use his own dogs.


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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2016, 09:10:44 AM »
I.e. OWNS AND HUNTS WITH DOGS.....
Are you arguing that everyone should be able to apply for the damage hunts, even if they don't have dogs?

That was the problem with the pilot program too... People with tags and no dogs, or access to them, drawing tags and screwing the hound handlers that had dogs and couldn't pull a tag.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2016, 09:21:48 AM »
That is why it says permit holder must use dogs. To stop people from applying that don't have access to dogs.

The i.e. is an example. It is not part of the reg it's an aside to the reg. If you take that line out because it is just one example of which there could be several. Like, if they didn't want you using someone else's dogs they would have said you must use your own dogs. Then the paragraph states you must be a dog hunter and you must use dogs. That is what it says. Nothing else.

We can agree to disagree. But I know people with dogs so I will put in for this hunt.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2016, 09:36:48 AM »
I.e. OWNS AND HUNTS WITH DOGS.....
Are you arguing that everyone should be able to apply for the damage hunts, even if they don't have dogs?

That was the problem with the pilot program too... People with tags and no dogs, or access to them, drawing tags and screwing the hound handlers that had dogs and couldn't pull a tag.
Knew one person that drew under the old pilot program.  Thought that training a Labrador a month before the hunt started would meet the hunts with dogs requirement.   :dunno:

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2016, 09:57:51 AM »
I don't see why the put the "must own dogs" restriction on the hunt, the point is to reduce cat numbers isn't it?  Let people apply who want to hunt cats with dogs.  The guys with hunting dogs will certainly get to run their dogs if anyone could apply.
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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2016, 10:16:34 AM »
Personally, out of respect for the guys who put tons of money and time into training their dogs year round, I'd let the actual houndhunters apply and draw. Why would a guy apply and draw and then hope to find a hound guy who will take them to hunt? To me it's like drawing a Blues elk permit after waiting 15-20 years and then not hunting. You could have just left that permit for a guy who would actually hunt.
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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2016, 10:54:15 AM »
Hopefully hound hunters will stick together on this and not take people out that shouldn't be applying.  I will not be offering my dogs up.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2016, 11:00:45 AM »
.i.e means for example. It does not say anywhere you have to use your own dogs. I can be a dog hunter with friends and not own a single dog.

In our state the way the regs are written... if it isn't in there then it's not against the rules. Kinda backwards but that's how they do it.

It says at the end the permit holder must use dogs. It does not say the permit holder must use his own dogs.

Actually i.e. means a point of clarification, not an example.  So, to CLARIFY, the resident dog hunter is someone who owns and hunts with dogs.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2016, 11:35:32 AM »
.i.e means for example. It does not say anywhere you have to use your own dogs. I can be a dog hunter with friends and not own a single dog.

In our state the way the regs are written... if it isn't in there then it's not against the rules. Kinda backwards but that's how they do it.

It says at the end the permit holder must use dogs. It does not say the permit holder must use his own dogs.

Actually i.e. means a point of clarification, not an example.  So, to CLARIFY, the resident dog hunter is someone who owns and hunts with dogs.

Let's not make this something it's not.

Dang it! I hate it when I'm wrong. I was mixed up between i.e. and e.g.

e.g. is for example
i.e. is clarification meaning (that is)

So I stand corrected.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2016, 11:43:07 AM »

Personally, out of respect for the guys who put tons of money and time into training their dogs year round, I'd let the actual houndhunters apply and draw. Why would a guy apply and draw and then hope to find a hound guy who will take them to hunt? To me it's like drawing a Blues elk permit after waiting 15-20 years and then not hunting. You could have just left that permit for a guy who would actually hunt.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2016, 12:09:24 PM »
The original program required you to get a signed affidavit from a vet that you had dogs that were capable of running cats.  I can't remember if it was part of the application or requirement to get the tag.
It was of course a pain in the butt and often another fee.

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2016, 01:33:07 PM »
Personally, out of respect for the guys who put tons of money and time into training their dogs year round, I'd let the actual houndhunters apply and draw. Why would a guy apply and draw and then hope to find a hound guy who will take them to hunt? To me it's like drawing a Blues elk permit after waiting 15-20 years and then not hunting. You could have just left that permit for a guy who would actually hunt.
I mostly agree with what you are saying, maybe let the guys with dogs give names of friends who could apply?  I would think guys who run dogs would love to take their friends out.  The more practice the better. 
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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2016, 02:27:59 PM »
Personally, out of respect for the guys who put tons of money and time into training their dogs year round, I'd let the actual houndhunters apply and draw. Why would a guy apply and draw and then hope to find a hound guy who will take them to hunt? To me it's like drawing a Blues elk permit after waiting 15-20 years and then not hunting. You could have just left that permit for a guy who would actually hunt.

Well, I gues I'll withdraw my name because somebody that owns hounds deserves a lion tag over me.
 I certainly didn't ask this to start an argument or to have somebody tell me that I'm not deserving.
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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2016, 03:10:35 PM »
Hopefully hound hunters will stick together on this and not take people out that shouldn't be applying.  I will not be offering my dogs up.

Now that I've sat on this and thought about it a bit, I have a couple more points to this discussion.

First, I don't recall asking anybody on this site for help other than a clarification on the tag. I'm sorry that there's folks that got all butt-hurt over this.
As for my eligibility for the tag, I'll be calling the WDFW first thing Monday morning for all the particulars. If I shouldn't have submitted an app. I'll be more than happy to withdraw my name.
Lastly, you don't know me from Adam and have no idea how I plan on taking care of this tag if it is mine, so I would appreciate you not passing judgement on someone you don't even know?

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2016, 03:15:40 PM »
I'll sell you mind until you fill your tag.... :yike:

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Re: Got drawn for a lion tag.
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2016, 04:09:48 PM »
Hopefully hound hunters will stick together on this and not take people out that shouldn't be applying.  I will not be offering my dogs up.

Now that I've sat on this and thought about it a bit, I have a couple more points to this discussion.

First, I don't recall asking anybody on this site for help other than a clarification on the tag. I'm sorry that there's folks that got all butt-hurt over this.
As for my eligibility for the tag, I'll be calling the WDFW first thing Monday morning for all the particulars. If I shouldn't have submitted an app. I'll be more than happy to withdraw my name.
Lastly, you don't know me from Adam and have no idea how I plan on taking care of this tag if it is mine, so I would appreciate you not passing judgement on someone you don't even know?

No offense but I don't see anyone passing judgement on you specifically at all.
Some questions and comments came up from other posts in this thread that were not direct responses to any of your posts aside from the one where you said it would be nice if the email clarified the specifics of the tags.
 
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