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Drew a Lion Permit
« on: October 04, 2007, 11:27:51 AM »
YEHAWWW!  I get to chase some longtails this winter!  Now if we could just get the word out to all the folks who drew a tag "DON"T SHOOT FEMALES LIONS!!!!"  :)
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2007, 11:29:22 AM »
congrats machias...i'm sure you'll keep us in touch with the progress of your hunt.
is it for 1 lion only or do you hunt till the quota is met or how's it work?
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2007, 11:53:42 AM »
Season opens 1 Dec and runs until 31 Mar 2008.  I am allowed up to 2 lions, but only 1 before 15 Jan.  If the quota of 15 females and or 35 males has not been filled then I can take a second lion after the 15th of Jan.  Once the quota is filled then it is pursuit only till 31 Mar.  All lions taken in Stevens/Pend Oreille from 1 Sep to 30 Nov count towards the quota.  Last year when the hound season opened there were only 8 females left and something like 28 or 29 toms left.  The harvest season was closed a couple of days after Christmas last year with 19 toms still available.  So if guys just hold off and stop shooting sub adult lions be it female or male then guys would have most of the winter to put their tag on a toad.  Most of the cats killed early in the season are young and/or female cats.  I am allowed to take up to three individuals with me on a hunt.
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2007, 12:03:27 PM »
Can they kill a cat also?

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2007, 12:07:07 PM »
:)  Nope, just the permit holder.
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2007, 12:09:00 PM »
good luck to you..............get a biggin. :IBCOOL:

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2007, 12:22:57 PM »
Good luck...sounds like a bunch of fun!

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2007, 12:37:52 PM »
Thanks Michelle, how much would a full body mount run me?  Do you have any photos of your work with cats?  I know I'm getting ahead of myself!!
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2007, 12:49:26 PM »
Standard price is $2,100 for a life size.  That comes with a standard base. 

As of right now I have no pictures of Cats.  Lost most of my pictures in the move.  Most of my experiance is with Bobcats.  Cougar and bobcats are about as equally difficult to make look good.  Thats why I suggest taking lots of pictures of your cat.  That way I can gauge how your cat is built.  I also use plenty of referance photos of live cats.  I use live animal referance photos when mounting any kind of animal....

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2007, 07:34:22 AM »
There probably arent many big cats left up there, seems that everyone is harvesting mainly females and young males, never really any large toms...mainly because they dont have time to establish a home range within the first year they immigrate into the area then they get shot.  I'm sure there are a couple still left up there though.

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2007, 08:51:43 AM »
I need to check to see if drawn...I was wondering.  Fingers crossed Machias....remember I knwo where there are a couple huge *censored*s int he Okanaogan. :chuckle:

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2007, 09:18:46 AM »
YEHAWWW!  I get to chase some longtails this winter!  Now if we could just get the word out to all the folks who drew a tag "DON"T SHOOT FEMALES LIONS!!!!"  :)


 How did you find out, I don't see the link on wdfw web page.

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2007, 09:31:39 AM »
I just called them...............sons a bitches!!!!!!!!  I mean that with love.  Not only did I not draw a permit, they said I didn't enter my hunt choices.   WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I selected Okanogan........crap birds.  I may not get a permit, but they will definately hear about it.  That really pisses me off.

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2007, 09:35:54 AM »
The good ole wdfw is amazing

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2007, 10:13:18 AM »
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2007, 10:24:32 AM »
Thanks

COUGAR  2007  Individual  000264474  08/29/2007  07:57  Not Selected  :(

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2007, 10:39:43 AM »
SHOOT..........
I am so mad at these guys.  Its one thing to not be selected, but to not even be in the hat......arghhhhhhh

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2007, 11:43:47 AM »
Sorry to hear that bone, will they refund your $5?  That is crazy.
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2007, 01:41:00 PM »
They haven't commented on my e-mail yet.  Probably Monday.

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2007, 05:14:19 PM »
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I just called them...............sons a bitches!!!!!!!!  I mean that with love.  Not only did I not draw a permit, they said I didn't enter my hunt choices.   WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I selected Okanogan........crap birds.  I may not get a permit, but they will definately hear about it.  That really pisses me off.

Can't say it enough...




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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2007, 03:54:21 PM »
Hey wonder how many people applied for cougar using hounds in wa 5 county 2007? I am curious where can I find the number?  :dunno: just wonder

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2007, 03:14:31 PM »
I don't think they have those numbers yet.  As soon as I find out I'll post it here.
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2007, 02:13:11 AM »
Thanks machias, My wife did call office and asked but they said it should be in website, Thats crap! we will find out soon...

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2007, 11:02:53 AM »
sent you a pm

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2007, 12:25:15 PM »
:)  Sent you one back.
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2007, 07:38:50 PM »
Find anything about number?  :bash:

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2007, 05:14:36 PM »
Here you go, I got Email from Wa dept, it say:

Dear coonhunter,

     Thanks for contacting us here at the Wildlife Department and the
numbers I got from one of our specialist here was given to me as is,
here they are;

Here are the applicant counts for the 2007 cougar special hunts:

9001:    489
9002:    403
9003:    525
9004:    465

Coonhunter, I hope this helps, Let me know if there is anything else you
need. 

Sincerely,

Wildlife Program Customer Service

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2007, 08:21:56 PM »
:)  Thanks coonhunter, I still haven't heard from them  >:(
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2007, 08:54:37 AM »
Pretty sure i know a guy with a dog named "Scout" that would prolly be interested to tag along.

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2007, 05:52:02 PM »
:)  Anytime!!
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2007, 08:24:15 PM »
Drew lion permit  Stevens -Pend Oreille.  Any Ideas where to start? or who might be interested in helping out.

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2007, 10:23:44 PM »
Howdy Jackjr, congrats, what type of hounds are you running?  Are you near the eastside or are you on the wetside?  I'd be happy to help out, do you have a sled?
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2007, 08:41:35 PM »
I am from the west side.  Might need some dogs.  I think my dog deal might not pan out.  So if it does not work I will need to find some help.  Or just eat the tag.  Any ideas would be great  Thanks Jack

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2007, 09:17:06 AM »
Well, I hesitate to answer this because I'm gonna sound like a jerk, don't mean to, but here goes.  Jack did you already sign your sworn affidavit that you own dogs that can bay and tree lions?  If so and you don't have dogs you probably should send your permit back in, you get your preference points back and they will issue your tag to someone with dogs.
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2007, 07:14:17 PM »
Sorry if my post came across as trying to scam the system.  I do own dogs.  Not afraid to admit that I am fairly new the the game and am not the best yet. I am lucky to have a friends help which has lots of experence  He  has a medical issue that might not let him go.  So to make a long story short I was looking for some help If he is not able to go.  Because it is a long trip for me. I would also not be afraid to turn in my tag if I dont go.  I would rather have someone else have a chance to get one than just eat my tag.  So sorry I was just trying to do what I thought was fair for other hunters

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2007, 08:42:11 PM »
hey machias, I totally AGREE with you Fred, I am already complaint, becasue there is almost around 2,000 applied for five county, I DONT think whole 2,000 own any finished hounds. AFTER we all worked so hard to train and build those hounds to be good hunter, and  This was BS!  anyway what a waste!   :bash:
I am sorry for who ever own hounds that didnt get any draw! dont worry I didnt get any luck for four years! GEEZ...  :'( I hope next year will be good for you all. keep chase.... :)



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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2007, 09:47:14 PM »
Jackjr, I apologize for jumping to conclusions.  If you have young dogs and need some help I would be more then happy to help you out.  Do you have a snowmobile?  Without one you will be quickly locked out of most areas by the snows.  Again I apologize, if your still interested in some assistance, let me know.

Coonhound those numbers are a little misleading.  There was about 500 folks who put in for all four units, so not so bad, about 500 folks TOTAL applied for the permits.  Probably a little high, I would imagine there are 200-250 houndsmen in this state.  Quite a few of thoise are multiple members from the same household applying.
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2007, 06:32:23 PM »
Fred, Yes your right I was adding up wrong number :dunno: I supposed be smart enough! only 1 beer!  :chuckle:


GREAT NEWS!! I got draw for pscr! Yippee.. thank lord!

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2007, 08:13:14 PM »
:)  Congrats, which unit?
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2007, 01:50:51 PM »
CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT PUT IN FOR THESE PERMITST HAVE HOUNDS IN THIS STATE.  tHE dEPT. NEEDS TO COME UP WITH A BETTER FILTERING SYSTEM. THESE PERMITS ARE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HOUNDS AND WE SHOULD ALL GET A PERMIT EVERY YEAR BY MY COUNT. HAPPY FOR THOSE WITH A DOG THAT GOT DRAWN AND EVEN HAPPIER FOR THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE HOUNDS AND DIDN'T GET DRAWN.

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2007, 06:39:25 PM »
i know im a lil late for the discuccion, but 4 outa 5 in our group drew cat tags. that means ill be running a few lions round come september, cant be any more excited

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2007, 08:59:31 PM »
Congrats!  What Unit?  What type of dogs are you following?  Good luck, and no shooting small females :):)
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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2007, 09:35:56 PM »
stevens pend'oreille is what i think most drew

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Re: Drew a Lion Permit
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2007, 01:09:35 PM »
:)  See you guys up there!!
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