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Offline pianoman9701

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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2017, 06:20:37 AM »
Didn't sit by and watch this happen, I guess they do it yearly and last year I started st this company soon after they did that so it should be happening soon and me as a hunter or sportsman I highly doubt I will be able to sit by and just watch as this happens
Have you spoken to your boss about this? That might be another option. I hate poachers and I would turn them in if I caught them. But, I've never been forced to choose between my job and my ethics. Unless we've actually been in that situation, we have no idea what our response would be. Don't get your chest all pumped up based on what you read in this thread. None of us are walking in your shoes right now.
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2017, 06:32:56 AM »
My internet advise is this...and we all know what internet advise is worth.

Think very hard about what you are contemplating doing.  Ask yourself this, if "I report this and they find out it was me, is it worth my job"?  Make no doubt about it, you will lose your job if they figure out you reported them especially if you didn't address your concerns to your employer first.  The hazard might have been communicated to you as "slippery goose poop", and that may or may not be the real reason.  The real reason might be much more reasonable and make sense, you just aren't necessarily asking the right people or high enough up the food chain to get the right answer.  I think you'll find that any land owner, especially a mill owner or business, is given a considerable amount of latitude to manage their property and the game on that property. You might find out the local game official signed off on this.
Double edged sword though, if he DOES ask about it then he has the target on his back if he realizes they are not legal and turns them in and wdfw does something.  If they are legal and the local officer signed off on it, He can find out the same thing by making a phone call to wdfw, no reason not to call if the Co is being legal about it and that way his anonymity and job are protected.
Sure it is great to give employer benefit of the doubt, and to ask within before you go outside to authorities.  But anyone that thinks a Co will not terminate a potential problem worker because they asked a question like that is delusional.  And good luck proving they terminated you because of it, WA is at will state, they can say he was 0:00:30s late to work one day or that he drives a blue truck as resaon for termination.

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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2017, 07:12:47 AM »
Didn't sit by and watch this happen, I guess they do it yearly and last year I started st this company soon after they did that so it should be happening soon and me as a hunter or sportsman I highly doubt I will be able to sit by and just watch as this happens
Have you spoken to your boss about this? That might be another option. I hate poachers and I would turn them in if I caught them. But, I've never been forced to choose between my job and my ethics. Unless we've actually been in that situation, we have no idea what our response would be. Don't get your chest all pumped up based on what you read in this thread. None of us are walking in your shoes right now.

I have seen my employers reaction to this when they were all talking about it and they think it's funny So by that I'm guessing they don't have a care in the world about it, my employer and parts of the companies management just think it's a funny histarical thing that happens
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2017, 07:48:15 AM »
So what have you decided to do?
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2017, 08:04:47 AM »
They haven't done it yet this season but like they have said it's a yearly things so they're going to and I think me as a person I have to, it's wrong and me as a person the person I am I can't sit back and be ok with that, like my dad and grandfather use to say, at the end of the day all you have is yourself
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2017, 08:20:45 AM »
Then to find out they legally could do it......

Or even if they are illegally doing it, it still can be done if you jump through all the damn hoops, and the bottom line is.... a dead goose.   

Kinda like burning the pile in my yard.   It just became harder for me to go buy the permit to do it legally.   To,do it legally it costs 50 bucks, and is a big hassle...or I could just light it and hope one of my neighbors doesn't report me.   Bottom line, pile burned and my home is safer for fire season.

Does the state get another 50 and my afternoon? 
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2017, 08:42:20 AM »
Didn't sit by and watch this happen, I guess they do it yearly and last year I started st this company soon after they did that so it should be happening soon and me as a hunter or sportsman I highly doubt I will be able to sit by and just watch as this happens
Have you spoken to your boss about this? That might be another option. I hate poachers and I would turn them in if I caught them. But, I've never been forced to choose between my job and my ethics. Unless we've actually been in that situation, we have no idea what our response would be. Don't get your chest all pumped up based on what you read in this thread. None of us are walking in your shoes right now.
I have seen my employers reaction to this when they were all talking about it and they think it's funny So by that I'm guessing they don't have a care in the world about it, my employer and parts of the companies management just think it's a funny histarical thing that happens
Then I would definitely report them.  :twocents:

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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2017, 08:54:42 AM »
I think I would talk to a game agent before the fact. Maybe they could go and have a talk with them and warn them they are being watched.
Keeps the geese from getting shot and saves someone from committing a crime. Probably reflect better on you if it comes out who the "snitch" is which I think will happen given you have put this in the public domain.
At least that is what I think I would do.
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2017, 09:23:51 AM »
Also, do a little research on the whistle blower protection laws.  You may be protected from retailation by your employer. 

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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2017, 09:28:52 AM »
Now I have worked for this company before (the company contracting my current employer) and I was in upper management there, and I know or at least highly doubt they are doing this by the book or with any legal means by how everyone in the office jokes about it when we go into the main office for a safety meeting, I've read some good advice from you guys on here and I guess when it comes time to where they start eradicating the geese and waterfowl from the ponds I will make my decision but based on how much it angers me just thinking about it as a sportsmen or outdoorsmen I think it will turn to a phone call to wdfw

I wouldn't worry to much about it one way or another.  I know a guy who is in a big group of hunters and they absolutely slaughter the geese with everyone having some sort of access to good private land.  Legal yes, but ask yourself what can you do with over 2500 ducks and geese bagged in one season when your guy doesn't want these messy critters around.  At my work other employees feed the geese but I don't care one way or another either.  But there are many non-lethal methods such as lasers to concussion explosions to harass the geese away and that's something I would do internet searches on and present in meetings.     

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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2017, 09:29:03 AM »
Before you go off the deep end check with the local WDFW agent and find out what he knows.  He may have a bit more of the story and also know if the feds have issued permits.

Boeing would "remove" geese from time to time.  Nothing worse than going to another building for a meeting and meeting the attack geese in front of the door.  It's when they nest close to sidewalks and entrances that it really becomes a problem.

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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2017, 10:07:50 AM »
They haven't done it yet this season but like they have said it's a yearly things so they're going to and I think me as a person I have to, it's wrong and me as a person the person I am I can't sit back and be ok with that, like my dad and grandfather use to say, at the end of the day all you have is yourself

It sounds like you already have answered your own question. Good for you!  :tup:
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2017, 12:27:24 PM »
I work at a place that legally has well over 100 killed each spring. They contract USDA to do the removal. The "sniper" bounces between Boeing and our campus. Shoots them in the middle of day! Pretty crazy...

WDFW wasn't willing to do anything about it and pointed us to USDA. They had to stop shooting them on Oct 1 because they were then classified as "migratory". I'm pretty sure mid March they become "residential" and it's open season again.

It is sad because the geese nest on the ponds and don't really know any better... it is what it is though.

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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2017, 10:52:16 AM »
As mentioned above,It's a federal thing when it comes to killing migratory waterfowl rather than Wdfw thing.
Fyi, it wouldn't be to hard to figure out what company or who you are by the description you gave in your posts about what you do, who you do it for etc etc.
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Re: Employer killing out of season?
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2017, 11:20:46 AM »
Report them.  If they have a permit it won't be an issue, perhaps someone might stop by to make sure they are following the terms of the permit. You can report anonymously, but if you are worried about them knowing it is you give someone else the info and let them report for you.

Want to really stir the pot? Give the local paper or TV news a tip.

Seems like if they haveva goise problem they would allow the flock to be thinned during open seasons.
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