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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2017, 03:38:02 PM »
I have owned a 2002 7.3 powerstroke and now own a 2007 5.9 cummins. The 7.3 was a great power plant and was pretty reliable other than the cam pos sensor going out a couple times. I now have a 2007 mega cab 5.9 with 150k on it and have had zero issues so far. The power is a bit different in the 5.9 as it definitely feels to have more low end torque than the 7.3 but that's just my experience. I am getting great fuel economy out of my 5.9 and have found nothing to complain about at this point. I don't think you can go wrong with a 01 or 02 7.3 or a 06-07  5.9 cummins,  both very stout power plants.

Just a heads up on these comments. Mid-model year 2007 switched to the 6.7L Cummins with all the emissions crap on it. Those things were constant problems. By all means, if you find a good '07 Ram go for it, just make sure it's the 5.9L. It's kind of become a bit of a unicorn.
What is your opinion of a deleted 6.7 Cummins?

Solid. A monster. Didn't see too many of them because we weren't legally supposed to work on them, but they're tanks.
@MuleySniper would have some long term input on that if he sees this. Not sure if he still has his, but if so, he's put an extended roadtest on it by now and I know he works his a little.

I have a 2012 6.7 Cummins (4th gen) fully deleted to get rid of all of the emissions crap... 5" turbo back straight pipe, DPF and EGR cooler delete, Mini Maxx tuner and AFE intake.  With those 6.7's and the emissions crap the MPG is horrible, especially on 37's.  But after all the deletes and tuned I'll average around 19-20 on the freeway with 37's.  Let alone it sounds like a log truck.  Muleysniper is a buddy of mine and suggested getting a dual steering stabilizer to help save the front end with the 37's.  It definitely made a difference with bump steer from hitting bumps with those big tires.  A lot less wander.  Hopefully that will help my ball joints.  I agree with Jackelopes comment, the rest of the truck will wear out before the engine.


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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2017, 09:47:09 PM »
$10k later..... Lol. That alone is twice all the total maintenance I've spent on my Ford since 2006 when I bought it. And all the tuners ect will make more costs in the ling run accelerating the wear on all rolling parts on the truck. I'd never buy a modified truck. Bearings, ball joints, gears, u joints etc all go out faster with big tires and more power. There is always a sacrifice no matter what folks claim on fuel economy. Bigger tires and more power equal more stress on everything which equals premature failure. I'd say half life if you're lucky nice engine.... Everything else is shot just past 150k.
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2017, 12:02:16 AM »
I got away from diesel. Been doing my pulling the last 8 years with a 2004 Ford V10, 6 speed manual. Stock trailer, camp trailer, ATV trailer, does fine for me. Been very dependable.
Great truck but mine netted 7 mpg
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2017, 12:10:39 AM »
From my experience...

Duramax LBZ models (2005 I think)
Cummins common rail 24v 2007.5 and earlier (non dpf)
7.3 liter Power stroke,
6.0 liter power stroke if bulletproofed

I prefer the Cummins

Good or Bad?

These are engines I've personally used for work/play that I would recommend.
Ive had newer cummins and 6.4 liter PS that I don't recommend.  Both un-modified
what should a person watch for on the 6.4 ps?
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2017, 01:02:25 AM »
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2017, 07:15:15 AM »
From my experience...

Duramax LBZ models (2005 I think)
Cummins common rail 24v 2007.5 and earlier (non dpf)
7.3 liter Power stroke,
6.0 liter power stroke if bulletproofed

I prefer the Cummins

Good or Bad?

These are engines I've personally used for work/play that I would recommend.
Ive had newer cummins and 6.4 liter PS that I don't recommend.  Both un-modified
what should a person watch for on the 6.4 ps?

EGR coolers, high pressure pumps, injectors, radiators.  I've had one in the shop the guy has had the engine replaced(elsewhere) and then the exhaust manifolds replaced 3 times.
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2017, 07:34:29 AM »
Probably the fuel level sending unit. Part of the fuel pump module.
Intermittent problems suck. If we can't reproduce them, we can't verify a failed part and 99% of the time, we won't guess/shotgun parts.  If we can't fix it, customers think we're not smart enough to figure out what's wrong with their vehicle.

From what I recall they thought it was a wiring issue between the tank and the dash.  We didn't think it was a big enough issue to pay a bunch of money to have them chase down a bad wire, so we just lived with it.  I never thought they weren't smart enough to find the issue.  This was back when Jerry Chambers owned the dealership in Bellingham. They had some really good techs back then, we did a lot of business with him before he passed.

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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2017, 07:42:04 AM »
From my experience...

Duramax LBZ models (2005 I think)
Cummins common rail 24v 2007.5 and earlier (non dpf)
7.3 liter Power stroke,
6.0 liter power stroke if bulletproofed

I prefer the Cummins

Good or Bad?

These are engines I've personally used for work/play that I would recommend.
Ive had newer cummins and 6.4 liter PS that I don't recommend.  Both un-modified
what should a person watch for on the 6.4 ps?

We only had 1 6.4 so not a lot of experience, but it was in the shop a lot.  We had an electrical issue first that was covered by warranty, something simple but it caused a CE light to be on all the time, can't recall what the fix was..  We also had an EGR issue and had to pay for that out of pocket.  We no longer have that truck, it was a nice truck, but when they switched engines again, we went away from Ford and back to GM.  For fleet rigs, it wasn't worth the initial cost.  The newer GM trucks seam to have less mechanical issues overall.

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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2017, 07:44:47 AM »
Probably the fuel level sending unit. Part of the fuel pump module.
Intermittent problems suck. If we can't reproduce them, we can't verify a failed part and 99% of the time, we won't guess/shotgun parts.  If we can't fix it, customers think we're not smart enough to figure out what's wrong with their vehicle.

From what I recall they thought it was a wiring issue between the tank and the dash.  We didn't think it was a big enough issue to pay a bunch of money to have them chase down a bad wire, so we just lived with it.  I never thought they weren't smart enough to find the issue.  This was back when Jerry Chambers owned the dealership in Bellingham. They had some really good techs back then, we did a lot of business with him before he passed.

It's nice when people realize we're not a bunch of dummies LOL.
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2017, 07:47:24 AM »
What's this were stuff? U have a turd in your pocket? :chuckle:

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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2017, 08:17:12 AM »
I got away from diesel. Been doing my pulling the last 8 years with a 2004 Ford V10, 6 speed manual. Stock trailer, camp trailer, ATV trailer, does fine for me. Been very dependable.
Great truck but mine netted 7 mpg

I pretty much only drive my pickup when I'm going to have fun, so the fuel bill stings a little less....I'm 8-9 MPG towing, 11-13 empty. It would get expensive as a daily driver...
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2017, 08:46:34 AM »
What's this were stuff? U have a turd in your pocket? :chuckle:

I'm pretty much always a dummy. I just have to work hard to make the guys behind me maintain their smart image.
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2017, 09:13:25 AM »
I have a 2002 Ford Excursion 7.3 and love it.  Great engine, lots of power, reliable and good mpg, even towing. :tup:
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2017, 09:16:39 AM »
$10k later..... Lol. That alone is twice all the total maintenance I've spent on my Ford since 2006 when I bought it. And all the tuners ect will make more costs in the ling run accelerating the wear on all rolling parts on the truck. I'd never buy a modified truck. Bearings, ball joints, gears, u joints etc all go out faster with big tires and more power. There is always a sacrifice no matter what folks claim on fuel economy. Bigger tires and more power equal more stress on everything which equals premature failure. I'd say half life if you're lucky nice engine.... Everything else is shot just past 150k.

Agreed with your statement 100% lol.  There is always a sacrifice for something done... I knew all of that going in to it with the modifications  but partly did them because I wanted them done for my own sake to not have a stock truck.  I intend on keeping the truck for a long time so when things start going out I will replace them with high-end parts to help preserve the life of the truck from that point on.  If you buy the right parts that account for the modifications the truck and engine will last a long time. Now if you're not planning on keeping the truck and willing to invest money in it, don't do the mods.


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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2017, 09:53:30 AM »
From my experience...

Duramax LBZ models (2005 I think)
Cummins common rail 24v 2007.5 and earlier (non dpf)
7.3 liter Power stroke,
6.0 liter power stroke if bulletproofed

I prefer the Cummins

Good or Bad?

These are engines I've personally used for work/play that I would recommend.
Ive had newer cummins and 6.4 liter PS that I don't recommend.  Both un-modified
what should a person watch for on the 6.4 ps?

EGR coolers, high pressure pumps, injectors, radiators.  I've had one in the shop the guy has had the engine replaced(elsewhere) and then the exhaust manifolds replaced 3 times.
Thanks,what is and how many miles would you suggest the "DELETE" thing whatever it is?
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2017, 10:00:03 AM »
$10k later..... Lol. That alone is twice all the total maintenance I've spent on my Ford since 2006 when I bought it. And all the tuners ect will make more costs in the ling run accelerating the wear on all rolling parts on the truck. I'd never buy a modified truck. Bearings, ball joints, gears, u joints etc all go out faster with big tires and more power. There is always a sacrifice no matter what folks claim on fuel economy. Bigger tires and more power equal more stress on everything which equals premature failure. I'd say half life if you're lucky nice engine.... Everything else is shot just past 150k.
Yea, but your trucks don't have all the emissions crap the newer ones have for one. Second, it doesn't cost 10k to delete and tune a truck. More like 1-2k largely depending on the tuner. My buddy just had to have the egr replaced on his '11 f350 to the tune of $2k. Longevity also depends on what tune you run. If your running a performance tune, absolutely it's gonna take its toll on the internals. I'd argue that a stock or fuel mileage tune does nothing to decrease longevity. Just reduces having to replace dpf and egr down the road.

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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2017, 10:19:11 AM »
$10k later..... Lol. That alone is twice all the total maintenance I've spent on my Ford since 2006 when I bought it. And all the tuners ect will make more costs in the ling run accelerating the wear on all rolling parts on the truck. I'd never buy a modified truck. Bearings, ball joints, gears, u joints etc all go out faster with big tires and more power. There is always a sacrifice no matter what folks claim on fuel economy. Bigger tires and more power equal more stress on everything which equals premature failure. I'd say half life if you're lucky nice engine.... Everything else is shot just past 150k.
Yea, but your trucks don't have all the emissions crap the newer ones have for one. Second, it doesn't cost 10k to delete and tune a truck. More like 1-2k largely depending on the tuner. My buddy just had to have the egr replaced on his '11 f350 to the tune of $2k. Longevity also depends on what tune you run. If your running a performance tune, absolutely it's gonna take its toll on the internals. I'd argue that a stock or fuel mileage tune does nothing to decrease longevity. Just reduces having to replace dpf and egr down the road.

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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2017, 10:22:18 AM »
7.3 fuel system is inferior.  Auto trans are not good.  Loud.  33% more parts to break.  mpg is less than 5.9 cummins.  Power is less.  That said they are good and rate # 2 from me.  5.9 cummins is the best period.  No contest here.
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2017, 10:38:13 AM »
7.3 fuel system is inferior.  Auto trans are not good.  Loud.  33% more parts to break.  mpg is less than 5.9 cummins.  Power is less.  That said they are good and rate # 2 from me.  5.9 cummins is the best period.  No contest here.

 I've never touched my fuel system, rebuilt the transmission at 400k because I thought it was slipping, turned out to be a oil pressure sensor, still pulls my loaded 22' boat over the pass on cruise at 75mph without kicking down and continues to get 18 mpg daily driving........all while approaching half a million miles! YMMV :twocents:
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2017, 11:55:22 AM »
7.3 fuel system is inferior.  Auto trans are not good.  Loud.  33% more parts to break.  mpg is less than 5.9 cummins.  Power is less.  That said they are good and rate # 2 from me.  5.9 cummins is the best period.  No contest here.

 I've never touched my fuel system, rebuilt the transmission at 400k because I thought it was slipping, turned out to be a oil pressure sensor, still pulls my loaded 22' boat over the pass on cruise at 75mph without kicking down and continues to get 18 mpg daily driving........all while approaching half a million miles! YMMV :twocents:
That is remarkable!  I did say #2.  I love em but love cummins much more.  200k ready for 4th trans, sensors(cam etc) injector harness, glow plugs, relays, injectors, fuel sytem/bowl issues, Ball joints, u joints, so I didn't have great luck.  I did love the truck though!
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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2017, 12:01:48 PM »
$10k later..... Lol. That alone is twice all the total maintenance I've spent on my Ford since 2006 when I bought it. And all the tuners ect will make more costs in the ling run accelerating the wear on all rolling parts on the truck. I'd never buy a modified truck. Bearings, ball joints, gears, u joints etc all go out faster with big tires and more power. There is always a sacrifice no matter what folks claim on fuel economy. Bigger tires and more power equal more stress on everything which equals premature failure. I'd say half life if you're lucky nice engine.... Everything else is shot just past 150k.
Yea, but your trucks don't have all the emissions crap the newer ones have for one. Second, it doesn't cost 10k to delete and tune a truck. More like 1-2k largely depending on the tuner. My buddy just had to have the egr replaced on his '11 f350 to the tune of $2k. Longevity also depends on what tune you run. If your running a performance tune, absolutely it's gonna take its toll on the internals. I'd argue that a stock or fuel mileage tune does nothing to decrease longevity. Just reduces having to replace dpf and egr down the road.

I have an 06 F350 DRW crew cab. Had it bullet proofed shortly after I purchased it in 09 when it had <46K miles on it and I run a Bully Dog PMT in it set on performance mode most of the time except when towing boat.  When not towing I can get 16-17.5 MPG on HGWY (8600 lb vehicle). When towing boat, about 8400 lbs it is down to 10-11. I also have an AMES Oil by pass filter system in it and change the oil annually (about 10K - 11K miles). I have not had any significant issues with my rig and for the most part am very happy with the performance. I agree with most of what both of your posts state but would add that the biggest part of running a tuner is to keep your foot out of it when taking off or stomping the throttle in general. These things can produce a good amount of HP but I would submit that some personal restraint on the throttle will go a long way in preserving the internal parts and drive-line. 

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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2017, 12:16:35 PM »
@Macs B you were pretty non specific about the kind of $ you were wanting to spend.
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If you went older than 03 I'd still get a stick but I had bad experiences with the 5th gear coming off the shaft.  I also kept the rig connected to the goose neck and it was always maxed out on heavy loads.  Casual use may be fine with light loads and using 4th gear why pulling loads.

I've owned 1 automatic on a 1st gen Cummins and will never have an auto on a pulling rig again. They suck, but that combo is everywhere. IF I found a cherry low mile one that was owned by the old couple pulling the t.v. I would put some $ into a good tranny cooler not the stock POS. They make some awesome after market stuff as well as exhaust brakes. The older 2wd dually are everywhere for reasonable. Flat bed it, fat bumper with a hitch for a removable winch will take care of most of what you could need. 19.5 steel wheels and 8r19.5 or 245/75r19.5 and it will be a road Tug.
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2017, 12:18:17 PM »
$10k later..... Lol. That alone is twice all the total maintenance I've spent on my Ford since 2006 when I bought it. And all the tuners ect will make more costs in the ling run accelerating the wear on all rolling parts on the truck. I'd never buy a modified truck. Bearings, ball joints, gears, u joints etc all go out faster with big tires and more power. There is always a sacrifice no matter what folks claim on fuel economy. Bigger tires and more power equal more stress on everything which equals premature failure. I'd say half life if you're lucky nice engine.... Everything else is shot just past 150k.
Yea, but your trucks don't have all the emissions crap the newer ones have for one. Second, it doesn't cost 10k to delete and tune a truck. More like 1-2k largely depending on the tuner. My buddy just had to have the egr replaced on his '11 f350 to the tune of $2k. Longevity also depends on what tune you run. If your running a performance tune, absolutely it's gonna take its toll on the internals. I'd argue that a stock or fuel mileage tune does nothing to decrease longevity. Just reduces having to replace dpf and egr down the road.

I think he was talking about the lift, wheels, tires and everything else.  Regardless, I'm with you on that.  If you're running the performance tune and hammering on the truck everywhere you go, you're going to have issues a lot sooner.  If you drive it on a mileage tune and keep the lead foot to a minimum, it's going to last you a lot longer let alone as mentioned you got rid of some expensive parts that would need to be replaced down the road.  And all things considered, if you want a lifted truck and still want to get halfway decent gas mileage, diesel is the only way to go.  The 5.9 cummins is truly tough to beat when it comes to mileage... If you calculate the difference you'd spend in fuel money over a long run in say a non-deleted truck where you'd get 10-12mpg if you're lucky on say 37's, vs 19-20mpg it will put a lot of money back in your pocket therefore helping pay for the cost to do the deletes.  There's pros and cons to both sides of it. 


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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2017, 01:00:38 PM »
7.3 fuel system is inferior.  Auto trans are not good.  Loud.  33% more parts to break.  mpg is less than 5.9 cummins.  Power is less.  That said they are good and rate # 2 from me.  5.9 cummins is the best period.  No contest here.

 I've never touched my fuel system, rebuilt the transmission at 400k because I thought it was slipping, turned out to be a oil pressure sensor, still pulls my loaded 22' boat over the pass on cruise at 75mph without kicking down and continues to get 18 mpg daily driving........all while approaching half a million miles! YMMV :twocents:
That is remarkable!  I did say #2.  I love em but love cummins much more.  200k ready for 4th trans, sensors(cam etc) injector harness, glow plugs, relays, injectors, fuel sytem/bowl issues, Ball joints, u joints, so I didn't have great luck.  I did love the truck though!

 If you were including injectors in "fuel system" then I lied, I changed the injectors last summer. :tup:
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Re: Best Diesel Truck Engine
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2017, 02:08:45 PM »
there was an 2006 duramax with 150k miles on here in the last 60 days if you go looking that would be a good choice to explore for $22k.  don't know if it is gone, but worth looking back through the thread.

edit.  took me a few minutest to find it, but this was the link I was referring to.  based on what you described, I think this would be a good option if it fits your budget.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,209930.0.html

 

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