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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2017, 10:39:45 AM »
Plenty of stupid people out there. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the person behind the trigger.  You own every pellet, arrow, or bullet. In the end doesn't matter how big of a mistake the other person makes, its your mistake for shooting.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2017, 11:30:48 AM »
Agreed but I'm not about to bet my life there are no stupid shooters out there, regardless of whose responsibility it is.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2017, 11:33:51 AM »
Yep, I'm with you.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2017, 01:43:47 PM »
A guy in a red Chevy shot me about 10 years ago. I was hunting on private land. He drove through a private road, saw my Tom decoy and shot at it. I happened to be 20 behind it in the line of fire. Only 3 BB penetrated my skin, but I was pissed. Got up running at him. I've never seen the truck again. Be careful everyone, even on private property it can still happen.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2017, 01:22:51 PM »
Agreed but I'm not about to bet my life there are no stupid shooters out there, regardless of whose responsibility it is.


 :yeah: agreed you need to know your target and beyond that was the rule I had to memorize back when I took hunter ed in Montana  35 plus years ago!   the shooter is 100% at fault but why set yourself up for to be target practice for a fool? There are more than a few out there

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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2017, 01:45:33 PM »
Think about this potential scenario:

A hunter comes around a corner in a trail and sees a strutting gobbler on the edge of an opening 35 yards away. The hunter may be walking to an area he plans to hunt and not really even hunting yet, but he sees this strutting tom, he can't see the hunter who is hiding right behind the decoy, the decoy has a real turkey fan and it looks like a real bird, he pulls up and shoots, the hunter who was peeking through the tail feathers gets hit bad, so bad that he might even lose his vision.

Who is at fault?
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2017, 01:47:08 PM »
Like it or not, the shooter.  I understand the rush to make a shot, regardless,  you shot the other hunter.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2017, 01:59:37 PM »
Like it or not, the shooter.  I understand the rush to make a shot, regardless,  you shot the other hunter.

I understand in the eyes of hunter ethics its the shooters responsibility to be certain of their target before shooting. But in a courtroom a savey attorney could blur the lines and paint a picture of negligence on the "victim" in Bearpaw's example. If you and your buddy put on an elk costume and run around the woods during rifle season you are creating an opportunity to get yourself hurt. There is accountability on both sides.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2017, 02:19:39 PM »
I would blame the hunter who got shot. If that hunter was out of sight and hiding behind a decoy that truly looked like a live bird, I don't think a hunter who shot what appeared to be a legal bird should be held responsible for the idiocy of the hunter who set up the situation for the mistake to occur. If a decoy that a hunter is wearing or hiding behind is realistic looking and there is no reason for another hunter to know it a decoy and not a legal bird/animal, I seriously don't see how the hunter who shoots should be responsible! On public land I seriously don't know how any hunter could not think a scenario like this is possible. Seems sort of like nature would be taking it's course?   :dunno:

I don't agree with shooting without knowing your target and causing a hunting accident, all hunters must be responsible to recognize their target, but some hunters are using mounted turkeys for decoys, some have realistic looking plastic bodies with real fans, and the guys on "Be the Decoy" are wearing shirts colored like animal fur with plastic animal heads on their head with horns!
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2017, 02:23:13 PM »
Oh....i would BLAME the dummy putting his mug behind a fan.....I believe the fault is that of the shooter!

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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2017, 02:25:46 PM »
With decoys becoming so real looking and with hunters using these dangerous techniques I think all hunters really need to assess the potential for accidents more carefully.  :twocents:
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2017, 02:40:10 PM »
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2017, 06:53:03 PM »
With decoys becoming so real looking and with hunters using these dangerous techniques I think all hunters really need to assess the potential for accidents more carefully.  :twocents:
[/quote ) What u just said can not be stressed enough ! Some of these guys think it's all safe to sneak up behind a fake Turkey fan but it's disaster waiting to happen !!i It seems cool and all but not for this guy ! Called in 5 different birds this trip and all were within 25 yrds ! I stick to the original method !

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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2017, 09:36:32 PM »
Inexperienced hunters.. no offense, but a lot of you west side guys come over to the east side for a first time, second time, turkey hunting expensive weekend wanting/needing to get it done to make the travel worth while. I could spot an decoy and a man made set up a mile away because I see turkeys everyday and know what to look for. Inexperience=accidents in my book, give or take my scenario.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2017, 10:22:02 PM »
Inexperienced hunters.. no offense, but a lot of you west side guys come over to the east side for a first time, second time, turkey hunting expensive weekend wanting/needing to get it done to make the travel worth while. I could spot an decoy and a man made set up a mile away because I see turkeys everyday and know what to look for. Inexperience=accidents in my book, give or take my scenario.
I know a man back east who shot another man turkey hunting. This guy had double the experience in the turkey woods that most folks on this forum have. He hunted his whole life in an area where turkey hunting is tradition. He shot a guy. He was not new to hunting. He hunted in his back yard and he's forgotten more about Turkey hunting than most will ever know. It can happen to anyone at anytime.  Even you.  Accidents happen, regardless of where you're from.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2017, 10:35:39 PM »
Inexperienced hunters.. no offense, but a lot of you west side guys come over to the east side for a first time, second time, turkey hunting expensive weekend wanting/needing to get it done to make the travel worth while. I could spot an decoy and a man made set up a mile away because I see turkeys everyday and know what to look for. Inexperience=accidents in my book, give or take my scenario.
I know a man back east who shot another man turkey hunting. This guy had double the experience in the turkey woods that most folks on this forum have. He hunted his whole life in an area where turkey hunting is tradition. He shot a guy. He was not new to hunting. He hunted in his back yard and he's forgotten more about Turkey hunting than most will ever know. It can happen to anyone at anytime.  Even you.  Accidents happen, regardless of where you're from.
Accidents are preventatable. Like I said, give or take my scenerio.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2017, 11:02:59 PM »
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2017, 11:13:02 PM »
Here's an interesting article from Field & Stream that disputes the inexperienced claim.

"A Human Factors Review Prepared for Hunter Safety Lab” by Kyle Wilson and Karl Bridges, it’s more likely for experienced hunters to be involved in “mistaken for game” accidents* than it is for newer hunters to make the same mistake."

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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2017, 06:34:35 AM »
Inexperienced hunters.. no offense, but a lot of you west side guys come over to the east side for a first time, second time, turkey hunting expensive weekend wanting/needing to get it done to make the travel worth while. I could spot an decoy and a man made set up a mile away because I see turkeys everyday and know what to look for. Inexperience=accidents in my book, give or take my scenario.
I know a man back east who shot another man turkey hunting. This guy had double the experience in the turkey woods that most folks on this forum have. He hunted his whole life in an area where turkey hunting is tradition. He shot a guy. He was not new to hunting. He hunted in his back yard and he's forgotten more about Turkey hunting than most will ever know. It can happen to anyone at anytime.  Even you.  Accidents happen, regardless of where you're from.
Accidents are preventatable. Like I said, give or take my scenerio.

First of all, this happened in KS where everyone is familiar with turkeys from the age of 1. Secondly, If you dress up in black during bear season, dress in antlers during deer season, or look like a turkey during turkey season, you're exponentially increasing your chances of being shot. I'm not saying it's the victim's fault. I'm saying that when you don't use common sense in the field, you may end up paying for it. In my opinion, these guys didn't use common sense. And, your West side/East side comment is laughable.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2017, 08:54:51 AM »
Inexperienced hunters.. no offense, but a lot of you west side guys come over to the east side for a first time, second time, turkey hunting expensive weekend wanting/needing to get it done to make the travel worth while. I could spot an decoy and a man made set up a mile away because I see turkeys everyday and know what to look for. Inexperience=accidents in my book, give or take my scenario.
I know a man back east who shot another man turkey hunting. This guy had double the experience in the turkey woods that most folks on this forum have. He hunted his whole life in an area where turkey hunting is tradition. He shot a guy. He was not new to hunting. He hunted in his back yard and he's forgotten more about Turkey hunting than most will ever know. It can happen to anyone at anytime.  Even you.  Accidents happen, regardless of where you're from.
Accidents are preventatable. Like I said, give or take my scenerio.

First of all, this happened in KS where everyone is familiar with turkeys from the age of 1. Secondly, If you dress up in black during bear season, dress in antlers during deer season, or look like a turkey during turkey season, you're exponentially increasing your chances of being shot. I'm not saying it's the victim's fault. I'm saying that when you don't use common sense in the field, you may end up paying for it. In my opinion, these guys didn't use common sense. And, your West side/East side comment is laughable.
There are inexperienced hunters here as well, but give an inexperienced hunter or even an experienced hunter on a time frame trying to get it done can result to a stupid shot. Why would you shoot a turkey in the ass (fan)? Why would you shoot him in full strut? Why would you shoot at a black object during bear season?? human dressed in antlers during deer season, so he's an idiot, but wouldn't experience and patience tell you it's not a deer? Why do we take my buddies rig when we hunt Montana? Because he has Idaho license plates. I don't think I have to spell out the last sentence. :)

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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2017, 09:10:13 AM »
All your prejudices about your fellow West side hunters aside, these guys were stupid to use that hunting method and all it took was one mistake by the shooter to seal the deal. If you want to hunt with a fan in front of your face, by all means have at it. Literally, I wouldn't be caught dead doing that.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2017, 07:41:08 PM »
There is no excuse for shooting someone EVER for ANY reason unless lives are on the line.
First IDENTIFY your target before raising your firearm and keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction, and only point it at that in which you are willing to destroy. Keep your finger off the booger switch until your ready to fire.
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2017, 08:12:15 PM »
I'm having a hard time believing this is has turned into an actual discussion here. 

Yes, of course, the guy that pulled the trigger is ultimately responsible and at fault.  But the other guy is still shot.  Is being in the right (or less wrong) in this sort of situation worth the chance of a peppering?  Or worse?

It's simple risk management.  Sounding like the thing people are trying to kill is elevating your risk factor. Looking in some part like the thing people are trying to kill also elevates it. Combining the two compounds risk beyond the sum of the two, in my opinion.  Just poor risk management, no matter how right you may feel you are in doing so.

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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2017, 11:13:38 AM »
This will continue to happen as long as people are stalking birds, right or wrong or indifferent. Only way to stop it is make turkey hunting only legal from a fixed position, no stalking or running and gunning. Same thing has happened to my duck decoys, goose decoys, ect.
Some States do not let you hunt ducks unless in a blind, and if you have to leave blind you must wear hunter orange, All because of this type of un safe situations.
But hiding behind a fan, is no smarter then hiding behind a Montana elk decoy during a stalk. How smart is that, but it happens all the time. Common sense needs to prevail on both sides. But if you shoot someone you are at fault PERIOD.......
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Re: Make sure what you are shooting at is a turkey
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2017, 12:02:19 PM »
There is no excuse for shooting someone EVER for ANY reason unless lives are on the line.
First IDENTIFY your target before raising your firearm and keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction, and only point it at that in which you are willing to destroy. Keep your finger off the booger switch until your ready to fire.
Anyone who shoots another human being should be banned from hunting for LIFE and brought up on criminal charges.
The whole thought of it pisses me off to no end.
I'm fairly sure everyone here has taken Hunter Education, many of us are Hunter Ed instructors, and some of us are NRA certified instructors and range safety officers, as well. You're missing the point completely. If you get shot in the face, we all know it's the shooter's fault. Everyone knows it. What's the result however? YOU STILL GOT SHOT IN THE FACE. Don't do something that increases your chance of getting shot in the face. It's pretty simple. This method of hunting will exponentially increase the chance that it'll happen.
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