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Rogue Washington Rancher Wiped Out 15% of State’s Wolves in Violation of Federal Rules

"The PEER complaint cites the Forest Service’s legal responsibility to prevent these conflicts and urges the agency to exercise its prerogative to restrict or revoke the Diamond M grazing permits altogether."

https://yubanet.com/enviro/rogue-washington-rancher-wiped-out-15-of-states-wolves-in-violation-of-federal-rules/#comment-3395

The end goal= Revoke Grazing Permits

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They are grazing RIGHTS.

Remove the ranchers rights and you might as well have a sleep over at the Major of Seattle's place.

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Rancher Wiped Out 15% of State’s Wolves in Violation of Federal
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 01:31:30 PM »
God Bless McIrvin and any deer he has saved.  Liberal Commie BS right there.  Salt blocks from attracting wolves?  Ya I forgot Cattle don't need salt blocks, that's why feed stores don't  sell them.

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Wolfbait.....



Some of the sites you watch make me  :yike:


I'd find a hobby that eats more time.  :twocents:   :tup:
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You must consider the source of the article. People make all kinds of claims. That doesn't mean they have the same perspective as the USFWS or the WDFW.
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Re: Rogue Washington Rancher
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2017, 02:07:36 PM »
They are grazing RIGHTS.

Remove the ranchers rights and you might as well have a sleep over at the Major of Seattle's place.

Is grazing cattle on NF land actually a right? (That's a genuine question. No BS intended. I truly don't know)
 

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I don't know why it is the business of anybody except the owner of livestock if a guy outfits his lambs and calves with LPCs.  Seems to me a dead predator from an LPC is all the evidence anyone should need that the predator was bumped off while actively engaging in the act of depredation.   That goes for domestic dogs that are allowed to run loose as well.   Any dog, coyote, wolf or lion that is not actively involved in depredation doesn't have any risk either.  But for some reason.... Washington does not allow LPCs. 

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Ranchers are granted grazing rights by the Dept. of the Interior or BLM. They're actual rights during the term of the contract, as long as there's no breach or laws broken. Also, the issuing authority can opt not to renew the lease at the end of the term for cause.
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I don't know why it is the business of anybody except the owner of livestock if a guy outfits his lambs and calves with LPCs.  Seems to me a dead predator from an LPC is all the evidence anyone should need that the predator was bumped off while actively engaging in the act of depredation.   That goes for domestic dogs that are allowed to run loose as well.   Any dog, coyote, wolf or lion that is not actively involved in depredation doesn't have any risk either.  But for some reason.... Washington does not allow LPCs.

LPCs aren't even part of the discussion.  :dunno:
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Re: Rogue Washington Rancher
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 02:23:42 PM »
What is an LPC?
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Re: Rogue Washington Rancher
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2017, 02:25:38 PM »
What is an LPC?

It is a collar you fit to lambs & calves and fill with 1080.  It has a couple of pouches you fill up.  You still loose a lamb or a calf, but you take out the predator at the same time.  Mexicans use them on their goats in a lot of areas too. 

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Of all of the ranchers one could pick on in regard to wolf issues.  Picking on Diamond M just shows their bias.  These guys could do things that they have made the firm stance not to do.  They have played by the rules and do things right.

I'd like to have a discussion with that author and/or roll his face in the gravel a bit.
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It's the same kind of article HSUS or DOW would print. The wolf lovers are crying over their dead puppies and McIrvin has been the most affected and outspoken rancher on the issue. Of course he's a target.
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Ranchers are granted grazing rights by the Dept. of the Interior or BLM.
Kind of.

They are granted grazing rights by the agency, not the department. BLM only gives grazing rights for BLM, Forest Service for Forest Service, etc. Fun fact, Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area is just one of a handful of National Park Service sites in the US which has grazing leases, most NPS lands are off limits to grazing.

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It's not really a right, but more like a lease.  They can graze cattle for a period of time in return for a payment.  A right is something that is hard to take away, like the right to vote.

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Wolfbait.....



Some of the sites you watch make me  :yike:


I'd find a hobby that eats more time.  :twocents:   :tup:

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Saw this by accident, thought I would share some WAG  :puke:

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It's not really a right, but more like a lease.  They can graze cattle for a period of time in return for a payment.  A right is something that is hard to take away, like the right to vote.

This is more along the lines of what I thought grazing rights were. It doesn't seem like a "right" when you have to pay for it.

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It's not really a right, but more like a lease.  They can graze cattle for a period of time in return for a payment.  A right is something that is hard to take away, like the right to vote.

This is more along the lines of what I thought grazing rights were. It doesn't seem like a "right" when you have to pay for it.

Yeah, it isn't a right and when you decide to not pay, you can get booted off.  Or, the landowner (US gov't) can decide to do something else with the land.

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Ranchers are granted grazing rights by the Dept. of the Interior or BLM.
Kind of.

They are granted grazing rights by the agency, not the department. BLM only gives grazing rights for BLM, Forest Service for Forest Service, etc. Fun fact, Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area is just one of a handful of National Park Service sites in the US which has grazing leases, most NPS lands are off limits to grazing.

Thank you for the clarification, BT. My point was that not everyone automatically has "grazing rights". They enter into a contract and have specific rights (and responsibilities), under that contract.
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AND often times the grazing rights come and go with the individual ranch sales.
They are often a long term agreement that is very hard to revoke.
Most of the time they are defined by how many cow calf pairs can be on a certain amount of acres.

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So what is 1080? Some kind of poison I guess.

Good for the rancher for defending his living.
Screw BLM and all of the other agencies.
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So what is 1080? Some kind of poison I guess.

Good for the rancher for defending his living.
Screw BLM and all of the other agencies.

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2017, 04:04:34 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2017, 04:47:31 PM »
The guy used his official position as a highly placed federal employee to give weight to his complaint, which was at first glance appears to be entirely founded on the lies of Rob Wielgus, a WSU professor Large Carnivore Conservation Lab at WSU.   

If you haven't read this, you should do so.
https://news.wsu.edu/2016/08/31/wsu-issues-statement-clarifying-comments-profanity-peak-wolf-pack/




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