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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 11:51:55 AM »
There is a thread on this already I think. :sry:
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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2017, 12:34:13 PM »
I knew a couple guys who did this. They were nothing but contract killers by the state. They bragged about killing 30+ bears a piece each Spring. Not sure what they did with all the meat either. Very pathetic.  Maybe the people who voted out baiting and hounds are having second thoughts now. Atleast the meat wasn't being wasted before the stupid ban.
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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2017, 02:06:22 PM »
I don't think it is a loophole.  Isn't it written plainly right there in the law?  The huggers voted for it, so they said it was okay.  And like 99.99% of stuff voted on by the left, the big corporations benefit and everyone else gets the shaft.

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2017, 02:31:49 PM »
I don't think it is a loophole.  Isn't it written plainly right there in the law?  The huggers voted for it, so they said it was okay.  And like 99.99% of stuff voted on by the left, the big corporations benefit and everyone else gets the shaft.

Exactly

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2017, 03:20:46 PM »
Talk about a BS hit piece.
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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 04:02:20 PM »
Horrible piece of journalism.

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 04:18:27 PM »
questionable slanted journalism aside, this practice gives away a big game animal--essentially wasting bears. hunters who buy tags and hunt the seasons are loosing out.  And on top of that, these timber companies CHARGE regular season bear hunters to access their damaging bears.  They even charge for spring bear season access, which was set up just for damage control. 

Every time the WDFW has us comment on seasons, my biggest gripe is that timber companies are allowed to charge regular season bear hunters, spring bear hunters, and then have the hound loophole too.  No special seasons or hound permits without free access during regular bear seasons.

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 04:43:41 PM »
Do you not understand why the timber company's greatly prefer letting in a few select guys rather than a pile of boot hunters to kill off the amount of bears they need killed?

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2017, 05:17:07 PM »
Talk about a BS hit piece.

exactly
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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2017, 05:19:59 PM »
It's also not about reducing numbers, it's about removing the peeling bears. Boot hunters may or may not be harvesting a peeling bear on a spring bear hunt, in fact I'd guess that more often than not they don't simply because the peelers are living in the thick 12-18 y/o reprod. Most boot hunters harvest in younger stands where they are starting to pull on stumps or feeding on grasses. Boot hunts on the west side have terrible success rates as well. I think the spring bear permits are more of an opportunity given to the hunting community than a major aid to the timber companies.

Not wanting to allow free and unfettered access to their private property is hardly a reason for any landowner large or small to have to incur relentless property damage.


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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2017, 06:16:51 PM »
It's also not about reducing numbers, it's about removing the peeling bears. Boot hunters may or may not be harvesting a peeling bear on a spring bear hunt, in fact I'd guess that more often than not they don't simply because the peelers are living in the thick 12-18 y/o reprod. Most boot hunters harvest in younger stands where they are starting to pull on stumps or feeding on grasses. Boot hunts on the west side have terrible success rates as well. I think the spring bear permits are more of an opportunity given to the hunting community than a major aid to the timber companies.

Not wanting to allow free and unfettered access to their private property is hardly a reason for any landowner large or small to have to incur relentless property damage.


Boot hunter may , or may not be harvesting a peeling bear tells me you don't really know for sure.Unless you shoot the bear in the act of peeling .How do you know where most bear hunters harvest there bear,is there some kind of fact sheet I'm missing.And yes you do need to provide access or suck it up as a loss.Bears where here long before any tree farm.Its about like that guy that shot all those elk and left them to rot , cause he didn't wanna give access to his land for damage permits that the state gave him.

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2017, 06:39:50 PM »
Any problems are a direct result of I-655 IMO.
If boot hunters can't target peelers because of the brush I bet bait hunters could.
 A hound hunter killing too many bears? I bet if it was opened up to all hound hunters WDFW would make sure they stayed within their limit.
Oh yea, Lisa Watne and HSUS suckered people into outlawing that.
Probably the two most humane and selective ways to harvest bear passed at the behest of the so called Humane Society.
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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2017, 07:53:15 PM »
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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 07:54:11 PM »
"Peelers" LOL, like its a problem bear who keeps getting into peoples garbage cans. Tree bark is part of their diet this time of year. Let them run the dogs and reduce the numbers.  There are still WAY too many bear in every corner of the state.  HAHA like you can target a "Peeling" bear with dogs, good luck.LOL 

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2017, 08:20:19 PM »
Me personally, I know the huggers are never going to allow baiting or hound hunting again... so it would be really nice if they want ahead and nixed the hound hunting that is allowed currently and opened up more spring bear opportunity... maybe separate OTC tags for certain units?

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 08:23:50 PM »
Me personally, I know the huggers are never going to allow baiting or hound hunting again... so it would be really nice if they want ahead and nixed the hound hunting that is allowed currently and opened up more spring bear opportunity... maybe separate OTC tags for certain units?
I agree hound hunting should be for public safety,not property damage,more tags can be given untill a quota has been reached ,they don't seem to have a problem doing it this way for cougar. :dunno:

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2017, 08:32:40 PM »
hunters at other hunters throats. sickening!

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 08:52:21 PM »
hunters at other hunters throats. sickening!

You know as well as I do that once people see this the tree huggers are going to call for it to be banned like the rest, and looking at the past it seems like they almost always get their way so you know how its going to go... when(not if) it happens, hopefully it will open up more opportunities for spring bear hunting for the rest of us.

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2017, 09:26:16 PM »
It really bothers me that the agency is allowing this much population reduction. Some amount of crop damage from wildlife should be expected. I don't see any reason to go kill a ton of bears every time Weyco complains about some dead trees.

Remember, public corporations have no interest in wildlife. It costs them money to allow animals on their property. If the shareholders got their way, they would remove all the bears, deer, and elk. The reason the animals exist on that land is that we have laws protecting them. It's completely within our rights to obligate them to tolerate a little more peeling. Especially because bears are OTC and open season for half the year! It's not an easy hunt, but plenty of bears are killed within the recreational hunt.

WDFW should drastically reduce the damage permits and restrict them to the most extreme cases.

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 10:06:08 PM »
Before spring bear seasons would be allowed on their property, I'd bet land owners would utilize supplemental feeding. Both cannot be used at the same time for obvious reasons, and feeding has been proven more effective at limiting damage. Depredation permits are generally sought to target the bears that insist on peeling despite having access to unlimited feed.

The purpose of these depredation permits are not in any way to replace recreational hunts, it's to reasonably limit property damage.

I know part of the OP's gripe is over free access, and by some of the posts it looks like some people think land owners are replacing 'lost' general season harvest with depredation harvest but that just isn't the case looking at the numbers. Since access permits became prevalent depredation harvest has actually steadily declined.

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2017, 11:47:12 PM »
Peeling can be a huge problem.  I've found entire stands if toner decimated.  Either way I am super pleased to hear they are killing bears.  This state needs to kill way way more bears!   :twocents:

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Peeling can be a huge problem.  I've found entire stands if toner decimated.  Either way I am super pleased to hear they are killing bears.  This state needs to kill way way more bears!   :twocents:
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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2017, 06:52:45 AM »
Quote
Peeling can be a huge problem.  I've found entire stands if toner decimated.  Either way I am super pleased to hear they are killing bears.  This state needs to kill way way more bears!

I agree. 

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Re: Loophole allows "illegal" bear hunt with dogs--King 5 Story
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 07:21:15 AM »
what everyone seems to be missing is the point that boot hunters cannot kill enough bears in a certain amount of time in a specific local... if they opened up a couple square miles around the damage open for everyone, everyone would be complaining about how crowded it is and how its a joke.. Hounds are the best tool for the job.

also, meat, hides, ect. are all to be turned in for each kill. its not going to waste.
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