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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2017, 11:25:22 AM »
You can through hike the Enchantments without a permit. There is no camping within the core zone but there's no allocation for through hiking. Have at it, just don't spend the night in the core Enchantments.
You need a permit to spend the night in ANY of the Enchantment zones -- not just the core zone.  We were there this past weekend with a Snow Zone permit and got checked by the ranger.  We saw a group without a permit get kicked out as well. 

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/okawen/passes-permits/recreation/?cid=fsbdev3_053607

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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2017, 06:58:10 PM »
Well that was fun up at windy pass area, can't wait for next year

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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2017, 07:37:02 PM »
We had a good time too. Wish we had more time in there.
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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2017, 08:23:21 AM »
Yeah next time we will go up to cashmere from the north and come up that way. Even thou we had a overnight pass of eightmile I think more area can be covered from the non permit area. Its big country.

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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2017, 09:09:37 AM »
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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2017, 10:15:25 PM »
I'd love to hear any reports/outcomes of the survey.  Our dates were wrong but I still got to chat with Allen, which was a pleasure.  I'm hoping the population study comes out with way more animals than we thought so maybe I'll have a prayer of drawing a tag in my lifetime :)

I'm 30 and just moved to WA and just getting into hunting, so I'm certainly a few years behind on my points...

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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2017, 06:13:09 AM »
I counted 23 of them in my area! Sorry for the double pic.
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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2017, 07:20:45 AM »
I'd love to hear any reports/outcomes of the survey.  Our dates were wrong but I still got to chat with Allen, which was a pleasure.  I'm hoping the population study comes out with way more animals than we thought so maybe I'll have a prayer of drawing a tag in my lifetime :)

I'm 30 and just moved to WA and just getting into hunting, so I'm certainly a few years behind on my points...

Hey I was not applying for permits when I was 30(35 was my first year) and I'm going mountain goat hunting this year. In a perfect world, I'll be 44 when I kill my goat.
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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2017, 07:34:47 AM »
I'd love to hear any reports/outcomes of the survey.  Our dates were wrong but I still got to chat with Allen, which was a pleasure.  I'm hoping the population study comes out with way more animals than we thought so maybe I'll have a prayer of drawing a tag in my lifetime :)

I'm 30 and just moved to WA and just getting into hunting, so I'm certainly a few years behind on my points...

Hey I was not applying for permits when I was 30(35 was my first year) and I'm going mountain goat hunting this year. In a perfect world, I'll be 44 when I kill my goat.
Yea but you drew LONG before you were due.  ;)

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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2017, 10:02:24 AM »
Just wanted to recap our goat count experience. We were only in there for a short stint compared to some guys but it was fun camping and counting animals.

24 goats in basically a day. Most were near the trail and lake Ingalls. We camped in the NF just outside of the wilderness boundary. Beautiful country.

We saw 3 aggressive goat encounters all were nannys and 2 had kids.
A guy just inside of the wilderness boundary was booted from his camp by a nanny and kid who pushed him 150 yards all the way back to the trail and only left him alone after 8 people on the trail stared her down.
Second aggressive goat was near the lake where a guy got between the goats and water. A nanny pushed him around a dead tree and down the hill until her and her group had a clear walking path to the lake.
Third goat wasn't totally aggressive but kept pushing in on us while we were sitting on a cliff watching goats below. She would sneak in to 15 yards or so, get shooed off an come back in after a couple minutes. We finally let her have the rock and we headed back to camp.
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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2017, 10:10:02 AM »
Love the photos

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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2017, 12:11:31 PM »
Thanks for the photo's, X-Force!!
 
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Re: 2017 Alpine Lakes Mountain Goat Survey
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2017, 12:53:29 PM »
Great pics!  I'll have to post some from the count too.

The goats in the area, particularly the core Enchantments are highly habituated towards humans and have come to realize that we are an easy source of salt (from our urine and sweaty clothes and gear that's left out).  It's likely that they weren't necessarily acting aggressively, but just trying to get close or stay close to a Salt Dispenser.  ;)

The best response is to hurl rocks at or near them if they get too close.  This almost always scares them off.  Don't physically engage them with hiking sticks as this will likely trigger a fight instinct...and they'll win.  As you no doubt observed they are constantly jockeying for food and bedding and are not at all kind to one another in the process.  It's like watching a dysfunctional family.  :chuckle:  If fact, during translocation projects, we need to crate them individually or they'll kill or severely hurt one another.
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