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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2017, 09:43:23 AM »
It sounds from the article like they're not removing the whole pack. Is that what you get, Jackelope?
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2017, 09:44:42 AM »
Saw where a calf was killed by the Sherman pack yesterday.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2017, 09:45:28 AM »
When will the WDFW admit the wolf plan is total garbage and scrap it in favor of a better plan?  How much money is the state throwing away on wolves?

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Open up wolf hunting.  Should be the same rules as coytes IMO.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2017, 09:49:37 AM »
Agreed, and they will still be a problem, which is why they were eventually targeted even more aggressively in the past. 

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2017, 09:50:56 AM »
They have no interest in addressing the problem, there are too many pointless high paying jobs associated with the "recovery"  From reading this is appears WFWD just could not find the shooter did anything wrong.  What a waste of time and money

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2017, 09:51:07 AM »
When will the WDFW admit the wolf plan is total garbage and scrap it in favor of a better plan?  How much money is the state throwing away on wolves?

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Open up wolf hunting.  Should be the same rules as coytes IMO.


Along the lines of what I was going to say.  You spend $$$ to bring in wolves and then not much later you have to spend more $$$ to control the size of the packs or the cattle depredation of the packs.   It seems inane to have brought them in and shortly after control the numbers of them. 

I say if the "public" wants them then either have the "public" pony up the funds to manage them..... or have the public be satisfied with viewing them in zoos.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2017, 09:54:31 AM »
I agree it's all a waste of money, and there's no end to killing problem wolves. But, to set the record straight, nobody spent any money to bring wolves into Washington. They walked across the border with no help from us.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2017, 10:00:37 AM »
I agree it's all a waste of money, and there's no end to killing problem wolves. But, to set the record straight, nobody spent any money to bring wolves into Washington. They walked across the border with no help from us.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2017, 10:22:49 AM »
Altering behavior by killing a few, that has never been tried.  Wait, the Neanderthals did the same and all have been using this method ever since.  Nearly a hundred thousand years and the wolf is still one of the most successful, widely distributed and populated predators on the planet.  Throw some more money at it WDFW.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2017, 10:26:37 AM »
What this article proves is that all this B'S the department has sold cattlemen doesn't work. It just delays the inevitable.

And some people wondered why cattlemen were hesitant to sign up for this program...

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2017, 10:40:55 AM »
I agree it's all a waste of money, and there's no end to killing problem wolves. But, to set the record straight, nobody spent any money to bring wolves into Washington. They walked across the border with no help from us.

We've been spending buckets of it ever since. And don't believe for a minute we didn't spend money to establish the wolf plan. Studies, experts, hearings, electronics - we spent plenty "letting them come in."

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2017, 10:56:24 AM »
Anyone know what the cost is to the producer to hire "WDFW contracted range riders"?
Sounds expensive to me.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2017, 10:57:42 AM »
Last time I looked at it WDFW shared the expense with Conservation Northwest. Not sure that's still true, it's been a few years since I looked at it.

I thought about doing it, but all you do is ride around looking for dead cattle  :dunno:
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2017, 11:36:14 AM »
I agree it's all a waste of money, and there's no end to killing problem wolves. But, to set the record straight, nobody spent any money to bring wolves into Washington. They walked across the border with no help from us.

We've been spending buckets of it ever since. And don't believe for a minute we didn't spend money to establish the wolf plan. Studies, experts, hearings, electronics - we spent plenty "letting them come in."

Of course the state has spent a ton of money on wolf management / wolf studies. No argument there. I was only pointing out that the state didn't bring the wolves here, as many people mistakenly seem to believe.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2017, 11:50:09 AM »
I wonder if LPCs on calves might work.  That would remove offending wolves from the pack and teach the rest of the pack a valuable lesson at the same time.  I know they work well for coyote predation on sheep, but don't know if they have been used on cattle for use against wolves. 

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2017, 11:59:12 AM »
I agree it's all a waste of money, and there's no end to killing problem wolves. But, to set the record straight, nobody spent any money to bring wolves into Washington. They walked across the border with no help from us.

We've been spending buckets of it ever since. And don't believe for a minute we didn't spend money to establish the wolf plan. Studies, experts, hearings, electronics - we spent plenty "letting them come in."

Of course the state has spent a ton of money on wolf management / wolf studies. No argument there. I was only pointing out that the state didn't bring the wolves here, as many people mistakenly seem to believe.

Moot point. The spending is astronomical. And, the people who believe wolves were physically transplanted will never be convinced otherwise.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2017, 12:06:45 PM »
The ranchers grazing Smackout told me they were afraid this would be the year they get hit because they lost two cattle last year near the end of grazing season. Looks like the wolves were just waiting for more beef. The ranchers have completely cooperated and have jumped through every hoop since the beginning to satisfy WDFW and Conservation Northwest, they have kept a range rider on the ground 24/7 watching the cattle and hazing wolves. The simple fact is that wolves like eating livestock.

Anyone know what the cost is to the producer to hire "WDFW contracted range riders"?
Sounds expensive to me.

I think a good portion is funded by WDFW and/or Conservation Northwest.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2017, 12:11:27 PM »
I almost forgot to mention this is the same pack that attacked my neighbor a couple years ago while hunting elk. Several had been flanking him, he heard a noise to one side turned and shot it in mid air jumping at him! Good thing he got off the shot! (this was all quietly confirmed by WDFW and received very little publicity)
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2017, 12:15:01 PM »
I almost forgot to mention this is the same pack that attacked my neighbor a couple years ago while hunting elk. Several had been flanking him, he heard a noise to one side turned and shot it in mid air jumping at him! Good thing he got off the shot! (this was all quietly confirmed by WDFW and received very little publicity)
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2017, 12:30:50 PM »
Been in the middle of them a couple times.    They are pretty "hawkie" already.    It wont be long before its a two legger that gets nailed. 

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2017, 12:37:07 PM »
Been in the middle of them a couple times.    They are pretty "hawkie" already.    It wont be long before its a two legger that gets nailed.

 :yeah:  Fortunately I have not been in a bad situation yet, but my son has a few times at night walking out with his dogs in Idaho. But in Idaho they are being hunted now and are much more elusive than they were 5 or 10 years ago. They just need to delist in WA, after a few shots are fired wolves really smarten up!
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2017, 01:35:23 PM »


Moot point. The spending is astronomical. And, the people who believe wolves were physically transplanted will never be convinced otherwise.
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Well if wolves weren't transplanted and northern pike weren't transplanted either and just travelled across the border, how come we are netting pike and promoting wolves?   


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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2017, 01:39:42 PM »
There are not many Pike huggers out there.  Wolves are cute........  :rolleyes:
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2017, 01:43:23 PM »


Moot point. The spending is astronomical. And, the people who believe wolves were physically transplanted will never be convinced otherwise.

Well if wolves weren't transplanted and northern pike weren't transplanted either and just travelled across the border, how come we are netting pike and promoting wolves?
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