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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2017, 02:42:02 PM »
quit spending money make some money  open draw in problem areas i know i would apply

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2017, 03:00:52 PM »
The ranchers grazing Smackout told me they were afraid this would be the year they get hit because they lost two cattle last year near the end of grazing season. Looks like the wolves were just waiting for more beef. The ranchers have completely cooperated and have jumped through every hoop since the beginning to satisfy WDFW and Conservation Northwest, they have kept a range rider on the ground 24/7 watching the cattle and hazing wolves.

Anyone know what the cost is to the producer to hire "WDFW contracted range riders"?
Sounds expensive to me.

I think a good portion is funded by WDFW and/or Conservation Northwest.

While it differs depending on allotment and pack, in this case that is correct for several of the ranchers involved. More context on that: http://www.conservationnw.org/news/updates/statement-on-smackout-pack

A season of range riding costs about $20k between salary, gas, lodging and food (less in some areas, more in others. Depends on # of staff, equipment and stock needs, acreage, and accessibility of the landscape). That's a big new burden, and it's right to help offset those costs. Especially as in WDFW's case that money comes primarily from revenue from vanity license plate sales, and does not come from hunter or angler license revenues. 

There are other ranchers in the Smackout area, as well as across Eastern Washington, that are implementing and financing their own conflict avoidance measures. They prefer to do it on their own dime, and it's basically ramped up cowboy-ing; keeping the cows bunched and monitoring for sick or injured stock with some wolf tracking, biology, and at times, hazing, mixed in. Why do it? Because the stuff works, it just doesn't work 100% of the time, as we're seeing today, and have seen in other states and provinces. 

Personally, I much agree there will be less of these incidents, and much more wary wolves, once recovery goals are met and a special permit system is established to provide wolf tags in GMUs with depredating packs. Still a few years out, but it will come.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2017, 03:18:17 PM »
The breeding pairs requirement for three consecutive years will hold us up for quite a few years!  :bash:
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2017, 04:54:23 PM »
The breeding pairs requirement for three consecutive years will hold us up for quite a few years!  :bash:

Loading up the wildlife commission with animal rights groups will make it far longer still.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2017, 10:37:39 PM »
The breeding pairs requirement for three consecutive years will hold us up for quite a few years!  :bash:

Loading up the wildlife commission with animal rights groups will make it far longer still.


 
What will WA ungulates look like with another ten years of wolves?

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2017, 06:22:26 AM »
The breeding pairs requirement for three consecutive years will hold us up for quite a few years!  :bash:

Loading up the wildlife commission with animal rights groups will make it far longer still.


 
What will WA ungulates look like with another ten years of wolves?

Probably a lot like this.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2017, 07:20:06 AM »
I almost forgot to mention this is the same pack that attacked my neighbor a couple years ago while hunting elk. Several had been flanking him, he heard a noise to one side turned and shot it in mid air jumping at him! Good thing he got off the shot! (this was all quietly confirmed by WDFW and received very little publicity)

that story when I originally read,  altered my safety position while hunting in WA. I used to carry just rifle with a few rounds, now I have started to carry a pistol for self defense close in if ever required. Son's as well.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2017, 08:58:10 AM »

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2017, 12:00:35 PM »
Washington plans to kill some members of wolf pack

http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/07/washington_plans_to_kill_some.html#incart_river_home

"The purpose of this action is to change the pack's behavior," said Donny Martorello, a wolf manager for the agency. "That means incrementally removing wolves and assessing the results before taking any further action."


In other words WDF&Wolves are going with the same failed technique they have used over an over agin, meanwhile their pride and joy will keep killing cattle> WDFW&Wolves will pat themselves on the back for a job well done and wait for the next BS session with their partners on the WAG.

What a cluster..

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2017, 02:23:13 PM »
Yeah, I sure don't believe killing a few wolves is going to "change the pack's behavior" so they no longer kill cattle." Wolves are wolves and that's what they do, they kill stuff. Whatever's easiest to kill and what's available is what they're going to kill. Can't blame them, they have to eat. But I don't see how the state can afford to continue killing wolves every time they eat a few cows. I don't know what the answer is but I hate seeing all this money wasted for nothing.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2017, 02:27:02 PM »
Washington plans to kill some members of wolf pack

http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/07/washington_plans_to_kill_some.html#incart_river_home

"The purpose of this action is to change the pack's behavior," said Donny Martorello, a wolf manager for the agency. "That means incrementally removing wolves and assessing the results before taking any further action."


In other words WDF&Wolves are going with the same failed technique they have used over an over agin, meanwhile their pride and joy will keep killing cattle> WDFW&Wolves will pat themselves on the back for a job well done and wait for the next BS session with their partners on the WAG.

What a cluster..

I'd be willing to bet Martorello knows it's a wasted effort but the WDFW does not have the fortitude to come out and say what they know they need to do, so in the meantime more cattle will likley be eaten and eventually most of the pack will likely be killed anyway!  :bash:

In the end more cattle lost, more money spent!  :bash:
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2017, 11:16:57 AM »
Yeah, I sure don't believe killing a few wolves is going to "change the pack's behavior" so they no longer kill cattle." Wolves are wolves and that's what they do, they kill stuff. Whatever's easiest to kill and what's available is what they're going to kill. Can't blame them, they have to eat. But I don't see how the state can afford to continue killing wolves every time they eat a few cows. I don't know what the answer is but I hate seeing all this money wasted for nothing.

I highly doubt WDF&Wolves think it's wasted money, the wolf, G.bear etc. means $$$$$$$ for the employees involved and then when they retire they can trot off to CNW or DoW etc for a job., or perhaps wright another BS book.

The answer to your question is for them to quit lying to the people of WA and confirm known wolf packs and delist, open up wolf hunting with unlimited permits for areas most affected by wolves. But since when have WDF&Wolves been HONEST?????????????????



Washington plans to kill some members of wolf pack

http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/07/washington_plans_to_kill_some.html#incart_river_home

"The purpose of this action is to change the pack's behavior," said Donny Martorello, a wolf manager for the agency. "That means incrementally removing wolves and assessing the results before taking any further action."


In other words WDF&Wolves are going with the same failed technique they have used over an over agin, meanwhile their pride and joy will keep killing cattle> WDFW&Wolves will pat themselves on the back for a job well done and wait for the next BS session with their partners on the WAG.

What a cluster..

I'd be willing to bet Martorello knows it's a wasted effort but the WDFW does not have the fortitude to come out and say what they know they need to do, so in the meantime more cattle will likley be eaten and eventually most of the pack will likely be killed anyway!  :bash:

In the end more cattle lost, more money spent!  :bash:
 

With 22 years of wolf information from ID, MT and Wyoming on wolves killing livestock and WDFW still can't seem to pull their heads out long enough to understand how to stop it?

Yep, I'd have to say it isn't about stupidity at this point, maybe lack of air.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2017, 04:07:03 PM »
maybe someone should teach the wolves to eat vegetables.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2017, 05:02:48 PM »
maybe someone should teach the wolves to eat vegetables.


Aw yes, the dirt nap syndrome, I have heard of it.

I think the technical term is wolf thinning, although as of this time there are many techniques being used that don't make a sound and are very hard to detect.

 ID, MT and Wyoming have done several classified studies which have proven to be very successful in areas where wolves predation on livestock have been ignore by the USFWS and state game agencies. According to insider reports it's best not to contact any agencies when performing said studies.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2017, 03:16:03 PM »
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2017, 05:51:05 PM »
The breeding pairs requirement for three consecutive years will hold us up for quite a few years!  :bash:

Loading up the wildlife commission with animal rights groups will make it far longer still.


 
What will WA ungulates look like with another ten years of wolves?
I won't be here to see it


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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2017, 06:32:49 PM »
Good info Dale. Thanks for posting  that.
Question.... do range riders have authority for lethal intervention?

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2017, 12:56:30 AM »
Good info Dale. Thanks for posting  that.
Question.... do range riders have authority for lethal intervention?

I think so, I'm pretty sure a range rider already killed one wolf this year in the act of attacking cattle.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2017, 07:01:40 AM »
Good info Dale. Thanks for posting  that.
Question.... do range riders have authority for lethal intervention?

I think so, I'm pretty sure a range rider already killed one wolf this year in the act of attacking cattle.

Just like confirming wolves, WDF&Wolves are slow playing ranchers with wolf predation, too bad All ranchers don't cut WDFW out, and take care of the problem themselves. I realize there are some who thought being up front with WDFW was the way to go, but now seeing their livestock continuing to be slaughtered they might wish they would have went with a different recipe.

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2017, 07:06:34 AM »
One rancher's already tried that and it didn't work out well for him. Of course, mailing the bloody pelts to Canada didn't help, either.
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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2017, 07:21:33 AM »
One rancher's already tried that and it didn't work out well for him. Of course, mailing the bloody pelts to Canada didn't help, either.


What ever happened with that case?

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Re: Breaking wolf news
« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2017, 07:34:38 AM »
Not sure but I think large fines and probation. Bearpaw?
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