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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2017, 12:25:42 PM »
Neither handguns nor bear spray is 100% effective, and as a result you can read of failures to stop a bear with each.

I personally believe the odds of stopping a charging grizzly with a handgun are low. The sound may scare it off, but if it doesn’t you must place a bullet into the vital area of an animal charging at 30 mph within a few seconds. Doing that with a handgun isn’t something most people have the skill to do. If you don’t break the bear down or interrupt the central nervous system, you may do nothing more than make the bear more intent on harming you as his final death wish.

A shotgun or rifle yes, but I would prefer bear spray over a handgun.
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2017, 12:27:20 PM »
Generally I side with lead versus spray.  I did however chose spray over lead when weight became an issue and when my wife started going with me.   She got her own spray.   I figured she had a better chance with that than trying to shoot something. 
Having survived a bear attack because I did shoot it as it charged, I can attest to Jackelopes thought process.  Id imagine 90% of the folks out there would have been a chew toy.   I was close enough to being one and I didn't stutter or flinch until it was over.

I would be interested in hearing the details of this encounter and am glad you survived.

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2017, 12:29:24 PM »
I don't own any bear spray,but maybe both if really worried.
Maybe the one you feel more comfortable with.
Your choice on how to protect yourself in the woods.

Here some good reading on the subject,along with a few quotes from the artical.

http://www.explorebigsky.com/why-wasnt-bear-spray-more-effective-in-todd-orrs-grizzly-attack

Everything inside 30 feet exists within what Bartlebaugh calls the “potential contact zone,” meaning you can expect bear spray to minimize the length and severity of an attack, but not prevent it.

After the initial encounter, Orr wrote that he “half hiked, half jogged down the trail” toward his truck, which was parked 3 miles away. Five to 10 minutes later, the sow was on him again.




He also had a gun that he lost track of during the attack.
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2017, 12:33:04 PM »
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2017, 12:34:28 PM »
The other consideration that is not made in the article is that that 90% success rate of spray likely has a critical flaw in that there are a larger number of bearanoid idiots carrying spray than firearms and when these people see a bear they deploy the spray and holler while spraying it when the bear is on the other side of the meadow. Bear sees the dinkus and runs off, +1 for bear spray!

The facts and the study don't support that:

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In 90% (18 of 20; G1 ¼ 14.7, P ¼ 0.001) of close-range encounters with black bears, spray stopped the
bear’s undesirable behavior. All bear-inflicted injuries (n¼3) involved brown bears and were relatively minor (i.e., no
hospitalization required).

Bear spray only goes about 30', so if the bear is in close range and sprayed, it can't be at the other side of the meadow.

I won't even comment on the assumption that "bearanoid idiots" don't carry firearms. :chuckle:

Everyone should chose what they want, but the statistics and facts from a two studies stretching over 20 years are out there, bear spray gives you the best odds at the best possible outcome.  If there are conflicting studies that suggest otherwise, please link to them as I would be very interested in having all the information possible.

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2017, 08:47:40 AM »
I always carried the .454 on Kodiak and other places in Alaska while fishing. I would rather fire something that I am pretty sure is going to work vs. something/bear spray that I hope will work.

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2017, 09:21:15 PM »
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/how-hot-is-it-understanding-pepper-spray/       This is for the people who think mace or pepper spray is hotter than bear spray.  Its complicated and involves misleading advertisements but BEAR spray is much stronger as you can read here....
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2017, 12:20:49 AM »
Griz have been spotted in enough areas that i consider most of the state griz country.
I dont enter the woods without a firearm.
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2017, 06:21:55 AM »
I live in Montana- the only right answer is both

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2017, 07:20:14 AM »
I was attacked by a grizzly in 2010 while on a mule deer hunt in Wyoming. Long story short, I actually packed a pistol and left it at camp the day of the incident because of the weight (.45 auto). I was able to finally put the bear down with my Tikka 30.06, however after the whole incident, investigation, and speaking with Wyoming Fish and Game, who were AWESOME by the way, I walked away knowing that if/when I hunt in grizzly country again I will have both!
The statistics are in your favor with spray. Studies showed you have a 50/50 chance with a gun during a charge. Most people have been proven to miss during high stress/adrenaline filled moments AND even if you hit the bear a grizzly gets further enraged by pain, just like when they fight another bear. Unless you brain shoot them, which is difficult in itself due to their skull and a moving target, the bullet strike in an adrenaline filled bear can prompt more adrenaline and just anger them, like a tweaker getting tazzed by police  :chuckle:.
If using the spray you have a 93 percent change of walking away unscathed, but you have to deploy the spray correctly and buy the RIGHT spray. Creating a cloud with the spray on a charge grizzly disorients them when they hit/run into it. The warden I spoke too said he had stopped numerous charges with spray. Instead of inflicting pain, prompting rage, the spray disorients the grizzly thus, most of the time stopping the charge by interrupting their primal focus. There are lots of sprays out there I later found out. The wardens, and studies, said to buy the big cans that have no less than a 50' spray length and to sweep in front of the grizzly, don't actually try and hit the running bear unless hes already within the 50' mark.
With all that said....the grizzly that came after me was starving, therefore I may have been able to stop his charge with spray but I am sure he would have found a way around the spray. Therefore....PACK BOTH. The spray is your best defense and may keep you safe for most charges of a surprised animal or sow with cubs, however if you meet the one bear that is intent on getting you to the ground then a death sentence is the only alternative and a can of spray won't do that for you. Joel-
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2017, 07:47:55 AM »
 :yeah:  Exactly how I feel about it, well said.
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2017, 07:58:54 AM »
Indeed, Well said.


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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2017, 08:21:52 AM »
I know it has been mentioned before, but one of the main issues with that spray vs gun statistic is it compared 'bear spray' against all firearms (not just agreed upon bear hammer types).  So, a guy with a 9mm/.38 spl/.243 is given the same odds as a guy with a .460SW/.375HH/.45-70.

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2017, 08:34:19 AM »
I know it has been mentioned before, but one of the main issues with that spray vs gun statistic is it compared 'bear spray' against all firearms (not just agreed upon bear hammer types).  So, a guy with a 9mm/.38 spl/.243 is given the same odds as a guy with a .460SW/.375HH/.45-70.
Yes, although the title is "Bear Spray vs. Pistol" so that rules out rifles.
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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2017, 06:15:41 AM »
https://www.cliffcanoe.com/bear-rules  read the last bullet point on this list.This guy has a bunch of experience with bears all over N. America

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2017, 05:16:00 PM »
Both! Spray and hope it does the trick. S&W 329 PD for when I'm fighting for my life. We run into big grizzlies every year in Wyoming, 7 years and only had to spray one so far

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2017, 09:33:41 PM »
https://www.cliffcanoe.com/bear-rules  read the last bullet point on this list.This guy has a bunch of experience with bears all over N. America

One of the more common sense list I've read.  Thanks for that.

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2017, 10:09:07 PM »

Here is a very cool video comparing the 10mm and 357 magnum testing through a raw bear skull.
He was using CRAP (for bear defense purposes) 10mm ammo and it did a helluva job, makes me feel assured when I get my glock 20 (same gun he tested with) and get some nice hard cast bullets I'll be set!!
I realie the video isn't exactly scientific and he was shooting very close range and the adrenaline would make it hard to aim and all that, but I'm just saying this is a very cool video

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2017, 10:55:55 PM »
I've always taken my pistol with me, but I just ordered a can of counter assault bear spray. Probably gonna leave the pistol at home this year...

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2017, 01:32:19 PM »
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/how-hot-is-it-understanding-pepper-spray/       This is for the people who think mace or pepper spray is hotter than bear spray.  Its complicated and involves misleading advertisements but BEAR spray is much stronger as you can read here....

Bear Spray is 8x hotter than mace.  I know I'm not the only veteran out here that had to deal with CS exposure or a shack full of CS with no mask.  That was nothing to the feeling of bear spray on my face.

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2017, 10:12:40 PM »
Shoot the crap outta the rotten thing then spray it with bear spray

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2017, 03:19:55 PM »
Before my first trip to the Brooks a co worker and his wife told me to make sure I put on enough bear spray, coat my clothes good.

They honestly thought you used it like OFF. :chuckle:

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Re: Bear Spray vs Pistol while hunting in GRIZ country.....
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2017, 03:30:13 PM »
Both, spray to slow things down, big bore for persistence
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