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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2017, 02:32:03 PM »
80 PSI on both cylinders, sure that will run, but a twin with one cylinder near zero wonít.  I had a 6 cyl Merc once that had 1 bad cylinder, it ran Okay but really dirty, spit raw gas out the exhaust.  I retired it.

A cheap tester is about $15 or borrow one like you suggest.  Itís a 5 minute test and tells a lot. 




Any idea what compression numbers I'm lookin for guys? Or should I just find a manual. Johnson/evinrude seem to be the ones people always claim to be tanks once they're up and running.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2017, 02:49:06 PM »
I'm kind of a rough mechanic.  I've seen people look at outboards and scoff at 100psi and suggest the motor was trash.

Realistically, every motor is different.  The biggest thing people are looking for is to see if the difference between cylinders is very significant.  If you have a 4 cylinder engine and you get 94, 92, 95 and 74... supposedly that engine isn't long for the world.

I think my very very rough outboard analysis would be if you're 80-95, your engine is old, but should still run and will probably be fine, but things are possibly starting to get tired.  That said, I had a buddy who was running 65 lbs on an only Johnson 150 and it ran basically fine.  Id expect 95-105 for a motor of that age, but, wouldn't be surprised if it didn't make that mark, that would just be my "oh, yep, that seems about right" number.  Few engines come higher than 140 or 145 new out of the box.  Given that its a two stroke and it hasn't been run in a while, I'd manually connect it to an external fuel tank and crank it over a few times before testing to ensure you have something in the cylinder that represents normal operation.  An engine that has been sitting dry for years would probably not give you a very accurate test.

I've never had an old evinrude be BAD bad on me though, you have to take the plugs out anyway to do the test, so just look at the plugs, make sure they're not rusty or something weird.  Clean them up with a wire brush, reinstall, and try to start it (make sure to hook up to water and get some clean fuel in it).  You never know, it might fire up.

Also, I use ether to save starters and my patience.  You're not supposed to in a 2 stroke, but as long as you don't do it often,  you should be fine.

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Re: So picking up a free boat today...
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2017, 03:55:42 PM »
14' is pretty small if you intend to take it on the salt.  It wont be too long before you're having fun, but sometimes a little scared and your wife asks for an upgrade.

I like free, lol, that IS the upgrade in my mind. I'm actually kinda excited about dinking around helping him fix it :) we had fun building up the jon boat. I think we should gut the entire thing, get that marine carpet and make a new floor, build a livewell box, stick a couple chairs in it, some pole holders, and a fish finder. Let's gooooooo  :fishin:
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2017, 05:21:50 PM »
There are many you tube vids on all manner of boat repair/mods etc. I've watched a bunch on transom and hull work, fiberglass tips/techniques.

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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2017, 05:44:08 PM »
There are many you tube vids on all manner of boat repair/mods etc. I've watched a bunch on transom and hull work, fiberglass tips/techniques.
Thanks quadrafire
That's basically how I learned literally from not knowing anything or terminology, to being able to completely disassemble and rebuild my 9.9 evinrude. Plus leeroysramblings is a blessing. He's got some really killer walkthroughs on fishing and outboard service.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2017, 06:00:52 PM »
There are many you tube vids on all manner of boat repair/mods etc. I've watched a bunch on transom and hull work, fiberglass tips/techniques.
Thanks quadrafire
That's basically how I learned literally from not knowing anything or terminology, to being able to completely disassemble and rebuild my 9.9 evinrude. Plus leeroysramblings is a blessing. He's got some really killer walkthroughs on fishing and outboard service.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2017, 06:38:54 PM »
If nothing else, this bad boy is looking promising
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2017, 08:36:18 PM »
Pull that standard head plug and the one above it and hope it doesn't look like a chocolate milkshake.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2017, 10:40:27 PM »
So after a very abrupt once over kinda just looking for broken things. Everything seems to be intact motor wise. And with that I just literally mean intact. No visual broken parts. Have no checked compression or anything. It's quite a large motor and pretty intimidating. It has seen some salt I'm sure because the way some of the bolts were coroded. Had me alittle worried about when pulling stuff apart that I don't wind up having to drill bolts out. That's never fun :bash:  now I'm going to find a vin decoded for evinrudes 50s.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 10:46:40 PM »
Looks to be a 1983 50
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2017, 10:58:32 PM »
So Im being chatty tonight. Kinda excited. The whole boats in waaaay better condition than expected.
The seats are pretty much toast thugh. Floors "seem" solid as a rock. Going to replace all the interiors old pleather with like that green or grey outdoor carpeting.
Oh back to original thought. It's all hooked up to power steering? No cables, just one cable out the side of the motor I dunno I'm new at this stuff. Right now the steering wheel is loose, and does not move the motor. Broken cable somewhere or??
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 11:13:44 PM »
So Im being chatty tonight. Kinda excited. The whole boats in waaaay better condition than expected.
The seats are pretty much toast thugh. Floors "seem" solid as a rock. Going to replace all the interiors old pleather with like that green or grey outdoor carpeting.
Oh back to original thought. It's all hooked up to power steering? No cables, just one cable out the side of the motor I dunno I'm new at this stuff. Right now the steering wheel is loose, and does not move the motor. Broken cable somewhere or??

I can see from the other picture its a Teleflex steering. It's probably just frozen at the push rod back at the motor. Not uncommon after sitting it needs to be greased. The steering rod threads right into the base where the motor mount is located. Easy to take off. Probably pop out one nut then, unthread it. If the wheel is loose, I think you'll have three bolts through the steering wheel which mounts back underneath the dash. The wheel will come off easy, then I think there are four bolts which hold the plate on under the steering wheel. You should be able to pull it all apart and get some lube down it. They are about $250 if you need to replace it.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2017, 11:22:51 PM »
So Im being chatty tonight. Kinda excited. The whole boats in waaaay better condition than expected.
The seats are pretty much toast thugh. Floors "seem" solid as a rock. Going to replace all the interiors old pleather with like that green or grey outdoor carpeting.
Oh back to original thought. It's all hooked up to power steering? No cables, just one cable out the side of the motor I dunno I'm new at this stuff. Right now the steering wheel is loose, and does not move the motor. Broken cable somewhere or??

I can see from the other picture its a Teleflex steering. It's probably just frozen at the push rod back at the motor. Not uncommon after sitting it needs to be greased. The steering rod threads right into the base where the motor mount is located. Easy to take off. Probably pop out one nut then, unthread it. If the wheel is loose, I think you'll have three bolts through the steering wheel which mounts back underneath the dash. The wheel will come off easy, then I think there are four bolts which hold the plate on under the steering wheel. You should be able to pull it all apart and get some lube down it. They are about $250 if you need to replace it.
Great thanks HG. Yeah the steering wheel is completely lose.   As in turns left/right no resistance. I peeked under for a second but had no idea what I as looking at. Gonna use this thread as my build thread. Love to keep everyone updated on the status using everyone's advice.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2017, 11:40:22 PM »
One suggestion on redoing the seats... I have a 14 1/2' Seaswirl that  I pulled both of the fold down seats out as they were crap from sitting out in the weather.  I replaced the passenger side with a new one, however, I replaced the drivers seat with a pedestal.  This opens up the cockpit quite a bit and leaves room for a cooler or a fold out chair.  The extra room is nice, especially when fishing with only two people.

That old Johnson/Evinrude should do well, unless overtly abused, those things keep on ticking.

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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2017, 11:44:58 PM »
One suggestion on redoing the seats... I have a 14 1/2' Seaswirl that  I pulled both of the fold down seats out as they were crap from sitting out in the weather.  I replaced the passenger side with a new one, however, I replaced the drivers seat with a pedestal.  This opens up the cockpit quite a bit and leaves room for a cooler or a fold out chair.  The extra room is nice, especially when fishing with only two people.

That old Johnson/Evinrude should do well, unless overtly abused, those things keep on ticking.
Glad to hear stuff like that from you Ed being as I know boats are basically your life line. I'd expect you to know a thing or two. Just need to figure out how this type of system wirks and try to get her fired up.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2017, 07:45:42 AM »
Like said before, change the lower unit oil, water pump and plugs. Get some fresh gas (don't forget to add oil). In the one pic, there is a screw that's a little bigger, knurled and has a black cap under it with a black tube running toward the front of the engine (it's on the side). Pull the screw and under the cap is the screen for the fuel line and aim the cap into a jar or yogurt container and start pumping the fuel bulb. Get all of the old gas and crud out of there. Clean the screen really good too.

The water pump will be a pain because you'll have to pull the lower unit off but it'll need to be done. You won't notice that it's bad when you hook up a hose to run it because of the water pressure from the hose.

Changing the lower unit oil is probably the easiest thing to do. Make sure and change it once a year, at least.

Looks like a nice boat, you're going to have a lot of fun!!
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2017, 09:54:13 AM »
jmscon is right on target. 
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2017, 10:04:20 AM »
Like said before, change the lower unit oil, water pump and plugs. Get some fresh gas (don't forget to add oil). In the one pic, there is a screw that's a little bigger, knurled and has a black cap under it with a black tube running toward the front of the engine (it's on the side). Pull the screw and under the cap is the screen for the fuel line and aim the cap into a jar or yogurt container and start pumping the fuel bulb. Get all of the old gas and crud out of there. Clean the screen really good too.

The water pump will be a pain because you'll have to pull the lower unit off but it'll need to be done. You won't notice that it's bad when you hook up a hose to run it because of the water pressure from the hose.

Changing the lower unit oil is probably the easiest thing to do. Make sure and change it once a year, at least.

Looks like a nice boat, you're going to have a lot of fun!!

No primer bulb. Atleast not that I seen. Still need to locate the fuel tank, under the floor I take it? Switch panel is pretty much old as dirt going to replace that. All the electrical looks good wires have no corrosion but I think I may re-wire everything when I go to put a new panel in. Pretty basic stuff. The throttle looks pretty beat up and I think I'm going to replace it. Has cracks and such. Crawled under the front deck to figure out why the steering wasn't working. Looks like the tensign cable that the steering wheel rotates came off track. Appears to have a broken retention backing. Might need to replace that. If that's the case anyone recommend a place to get a throttle and steering assembly?
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2017, 10:12:31 AM »
You can get new cables and a helm on Amazon. 

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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2017, 10:16:34 AM »
You can get new cables and a helm on Amazon. 
Helm. That's what it was called. Great thanks. Don't mind dropping a few hundred into this boat. Some people see it as a waste but how many of us pay for entertainment? Pretty much everyone. I see it as the same thing, taking something from nothing or something that doesn't work and turning it into something that functions is probably the best entertainment and joy for me.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2017, 10:51:09 AM »
I had a 16' Fiberform, pulled the bunk style seats and replaced with pedistal style. Wow did it make huge difference in the availible room one has to work with. It will be fun to keep tabs on your progress,  good luck!

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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2017, 11:54:33 AM »
You can get new cables and a helm on Amazon. 
Helm. That's what it was called. Great thanks. Don't mind dropping a few hundred into this boat. Some people see it as a waste but how many of us pay for entertainment? Pretty much everyone. I see it as the same thing, taking something from nothing or something that doesn't work and turning it into something that functions is probably the best entertainment and joy for me.

Cable steering is illegal. Its a Teleflex. Not cables.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2017, 12:47:16 PM »

Cable steering is illegal. Its a Teleflex. Not cables.

Well thatís an interesting statement.  Iíve owned more than few boats over the years and they have all had something like this in the steering system:


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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2017, 01:52:28 PM »

Cable steering is illegal. Its a Teleflex. Not cables.

Well thatís an interesting statement.  Iíve owned more than few boats over the years and they have all had something like this in the steering system:


Yeah that's what it looks like on mine, plus I had what looked to be a single helm rotary steering box?  Like a. In this photo. Only seen a line in though, no line out.
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Re: So picking up a boat today...
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2017, 02:01:58 PM »
Maybe your cable just came disconnected from the helm.  Why do you think you need a new one?