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Suppressor
« on: August 08, 2017, 09:58:54 AM »
So I'd like to get a suppressor for my 5.56.  Anyone recommend a good make and model and anyone you would recommend buying it from.  Also is the process still taking months and months?  Thanks for any thoughts and or advice.
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2017, 10:09:52 AM »
Process takes months and months. I paid for my suppressor last November and I've not gotten my form 4 back yet. As far as suppresors, it all depends on what your gun is.

As far as suppressors, where do you plan on buying from? Look at them in person. What I like, some don't like. I also buy through the blue label program, so I'm kinda biased and buy what I can get a smoking deal on  :IBCOOL:

Silencerco is a good start (Omega is a cool one that can be used on 30 cal and under....). Surefire makes great products.

I know guys that run AAC, Surefire, Silencerco, Gemtech and YHM

I personally own AAC, Silcencerco and Gemtech for 22 cal.
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2017, 10:26:07 AM »
I'll answer the last part first, unfortunately, yes, it's still taking a minimum of 9 months and likely closer to a year.

All my rifle suppressors are either TBAC (Thunderbeast Arms Company) suppressors or SAS suppressors.  IMO, both make a better than average product but TBAC's customer service is second to none.

I don't know what other calibers and rifles you have but to do all over again, I would never buy a 5.56 specific suppressor, at the least, I'd get a 6.5 suppressor or maybe even a .30 cal suppressor and use it on everything I had .30 cal and smaller.  A .22 cal specific suppressor on a 22 caliber rifle will definitely meter the quietest, BUT, IMO it is very minimally quieter than a 6.5 suppressor or even 30 cal suppressor on a 22 caliber rifle and going with a 6.5 or .30 cal can will obviously give you a MUCH larger range of use and once you start shooting one gun suppressed, you want to shoot all of them suppressed.

If I were looking for a top of the line, light weight and very quiet suppressor, my FIRST choice would be a TBAC Ultra7 or Ultra9 and I'd either get it in 6.5 or .30 cal so I could use one suppressor on multiple rifles. 

The TBAC Ultra9 will be a little quieter than the Ultra7 but, for me, I'd be ok giving up a little noise reduction for the shorter Ultra7.  The TBAC Ultra series of suppressors are some of, if not, the lightest and quietest cans on the market, and again, their customer service is excellent.

As for who to purchase it from, I'd do everything I could to purchase it from a dealer that already has one in stock in your state.  It'll definitely save you a few months wait time purchasing from an in state dealer that has the item in stock.

If you think you'll likely only ever buy one suppressor, I don't know that I'd go to the extra expense of doing a "trust" with the new 41F that went into affect awhile back, the benefit of using a trust isn't that big anymore. 

Shooting suppressed is a he11 of a lot of fun and even though the wait time sucks, in the end, it's definitely worth it. 

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 10:57:27 AM »
Awesome, thanks guys!!!  I guess I better start the process!!!  :)
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 10:58:07 AM »
Wait time is currently running about 300 days.

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2017, 11:01:36 AM »
Wait time is currently running about 300 days.


Oh so it's much faster now.   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 11:24:57 AM »
Awesome, thanks guys!!!  I guess I better start the process!!!  :)

In all honesty, just getting the process started, was my biggest hurdle with my first purchase.  I looked into suppressor ownership for years before I actually bought one.  I'd talk to dealers and go look at them but that part about paying for everything 100% up front, then waiting the better part of a year always stopped me from going forward with a purchase, AND, I thought the paper work part was going to be MUCH more difficult than it turned out to be.  After dragging my feet for a few years it dawned on me that if I would have just done it when I first started thinking about it I'd already have the dam thing and that's when I began to proceed into the world of suppressor ownership.  Now, I, ummm, have a few. :yike:

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2017, 12:14:52 PM »
 :tup: :tup: :tup:
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 02:28:32 PM »
I appreciate this discussion.  I've been considering picking up a surefire suppressor to use on my Sig716 equipped with a surefire break.  I believe they make a model that attaches directly to the break.  I haven't gotten very far along in the research process and appreciate the tips from you guys.
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 02:49:40 PM »
Looking at one from Silencer Co. along with swapping the muzzle device on my AR.

Yeah its taking 9-12 months currently.
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 03:40:34 PM »
I'd wait, if they become easier to buy the price will go up but the market should get flooded.  It should drop in price after a year or two after the laws are relaxed. Just a hunch and thoughts from guys I've talked with about it.

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 05:22:12 PM »
I'd wait, if they become easier to buy the price will go up but the market should get flooded.  It should drop in price after a year or two after the laws are relaxed. Just a hunch and thoughts from guys I've talked with about it.

I hear this from a lot of people and at first glance it seems like a good idea but in all honesty, the likelihood of the Hearing Protection Act or any Act like it, actually getting passed, is slim and none.  Also, IF the HPA gets passed after you've submitted the $200 for your Form4 stamp the BATF has to refund you your money.

If someone is serious about getting a suppressor, don't wait, get the process started now and before you know it 9-12 months will have passed and you'll already have your suppressor and be shooting with it.

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2017, 07:25:42 PM »
I'd wait, if they become easier to buy the price will go up but the market should get flooded.  It should drop in price after a year or two after the laws are relaxed. Just a hunch and thoughts from guys I've talked with about it.

I hear this from a lot of people and at first glance it seems like a good idea but in all honesty, the likelihood of the Hearing Protection Act or any Act like it, actually getting passed, is slim and none.  Also, IF the HPA gets passed after you've submitted the $200 for your Form4 stamp the BATF has to refund you your money.

If someone is serious about getting a suppressor, don't wait, get the process started now and before you know it 9-12 months will have
passed and you'll already have your suppressor and be shooting with it.

You can follow the progress of the Hearing Protection Act by goggling S.59 for the Senate version and H.R.367 for the House version. Little is likely to happen on either bills in the near future.

I agree with b23 buy now. Either nothing happens on the bills and nothing changes or the bills pass. If they do, you will get the $200 for the tax stamp back. Also I expect the market will get flooded with people wanting to buy and simple supply and demad economics will rule. Prices will go up. Manufacturers will not be able to keep up with demand so delays in getting one will be significant. I bought a Silencerco Omega at Ranier Arms in Auburn a couple months ago. If you want a suppressor get it now.

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2017, 07:27:04 AM »
I just received my stamp last week.  13 month's

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 08:33:14 AM »
Not to hijack this thread.  But did you just apply as yourself or did you use one of those gun trust? 
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 09:12:02 AM »
Since 41F went into affect on July 13 2016 forming a Trust doesn't still have quite the same benefit/s it used to.  IMO there are still benefits to forming a trust but it's maybe not quite as much as it was before 41F.

As for how long it takes to get approved using a Trust versus filing as an individual, one is no faster than the other.

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2017, 10:23:43 AM »
Not to hijack this thread.  But did you just apply as yourself or did you use one of those gun trust?

I still use the trust. For a few reasons...but mainly because I have had the trust for a few years and decided to keep everything on one "document"
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 12:47:52 AM »
I did not do a trust but can't tell you the best way to do it.

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2017, 08:59:30 AM »
It would seem like the big advantage to using a Trust is you can pass them along to your children when you are gone.  If you are an individual and pass away what  is your family required to do with the suppressor(s)?
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2017, 09:08:16 AM »
I'm tagging along as I've been intrigued by suppressors.   I did have one question that I'm hoping doesn't hijack the thread, do you guys think it's feasible to just buy one suppressor and have threaded mounts on multiple rifles and just use one suppressor?  Or is that too much effort/not feasible?  I'm looking at the Thunder Beast Arms Ultra series for 30 cal.  Would rather not have to buy multiple if I can get away with it.

Sorry Machias, don't want to derail your thread.  Please keep us posted on how your application process goes, as I'm considering doing this in this next year.   

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2017, 09:11:52 AM »
Sorry Machias, don't want to derail your thread.  Please keep us posted on how your application process goes, as I'm considering doing this in this next year.   

Oh heck no, that's no hijacking a thread, I'm learning right there with you!  Thanks for asking the question!
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2017, 10:20:59 AM »
I'm looking at the Thunder Beast Arms Ultra series for 30 cal.  Would rather not have to buy multiple if I can get away with it.

I think more and more people are going this route, buying either a 30cal or 6.5 suppressor and using it on everything that size and smaller.  As you can imagine, you won't get quite the same noise reduction using a suppressor with a larger hole than you would with one that is specific to the caliber you're using it on but, depending on the suppressor, there's not that much difference.  I've shot my SAS Barricade 6.5 can on my 223's and about the only thing I can hear different, is the tone to my ears seems a little different compared to when I have my TBAC 223 can on my 223's and I'm sure if you measured sound levels with a meter it would show different but what a meter can pick up and what our ears can, is a lot different.

If you use a TBAC Ultra7 .30 cal suppressor on anything .30cal and smaller, it'll still be hearing safe without ear protection.

I prefer to go direct thread instead of muzzle break threaded mounting system.  Direct thread is a little lighter setup and you don't have the extra cost of getting a muzzle break for every rifle you plan to put one on.  Also, IMO, direct thread is a cleaner look but that's just my opinion.

Also, you'll want to check with the manufacturer of the suppressor you plan to use as to what they recommend for a minimum barrel diameter and if you have a skinny barrel you may have to go muzzle break attach instead of direct thread.  TBAC is excellent about answering any and all questions whenever I've needed to talk to them.  SAS makes an excellent can but their CS is not even close to TBAC.

If you decide to go with a 6.5 can, check with the manufacturer because it's possible you can use their 6.5 can on 270's as well.  I've talked to SAS about using my 6.5 Barricade on 270's and they said it would be fine so that gives a little more flexibility in a 6.5 can.

I don't know the exact specifics on "willing" a suppressor to a family member after you die, if it was purchased as an individual, but I know you can still do it and I believe there is no extra cost involved to the family member you're willing it to.  Since 41F went into affect the laws for a Trust have changed a little too, now every person you add to your Trust has to submit passport photos and finger print cards in order to be legally added to the trust.  I think they call anyone added to a Trust a "Responsible Person" and they have to go through the same background check as the owner.  The good thing about going the Trust route is anyone you put on your Trust that's gone through the "Responsible Person" ATF BS can use any item on the Trust the same as the owner.  If you file as an individual, someone can still use your suppressor but you have to always be in their presence when they are using it, with a trust, you don't even have to be there.

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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2017, 10:23:20 AM »
Great info!
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2017, 11:39:34 AM »
 :tup: :tup: :tup:
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Re: Suppressor
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2017, 11:49:09 AM »
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