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Members are complaining about the off-topics board, how should it be changed?

Keep off-topics the way it is, members can freely opt in and opt out
168 (58.9%)
Keep off-topics the way it is but make all members opt in again
11 (3.9%)
Make off topics by request and approval only, you would have to request membership
13 (4.6%)
Remove off-topics from the forum completely
37 (13%)
I really don't care what happens with off-topics
31 (10.9%)
Off Topics has the same rules as the rest of the forum
25 (8.8%)

Total Members Voted: 285

Author Topic: POLL: Members are complaining about the off-topics, how should it be changed?  (Read 13710 times)

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We're going to take a poll and determine what happens with the off-topics. I'm sick and tired of members complaining and blaming the site for their own lack of ability to simply opt out of the off-topics if they don't like it.

Let's all vote and the member's votes will decide what happens with off-topics. You vote, you decide, this decision is on you, the whole H-W membership!

If there's another option you want added to the poll please post it and I or one of the other mods will add it. I set the poll so anyone can change their vote at any time. Feel free to discuss this or ask question in this topic!

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UPDATE:
I've had some pm's from members with good input, if you have some constructive thoughts but don't want to post them openly in this topic, please send them to me via pm. THANKS
« Last Edit: August 10, 2017, 11:44:54 AM by bearpaw »
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keep it as is
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I think it is crappy that pertinent topics to hunting get moved to the off topics because a few can't mind their P's and Q's .......  The response I have gotten (more than once) is .....just join the off topics if you want to discuss that topic.  I opt out of the off topics because the majority (so I've been told) is a bunch of old ladies complaining just because they can.  I try not to involve myself in that mess as it is counter productive.  If you want to be on this forum keep it clean and keep it in the campfire forum (hunting or not....at my campfire the only thing off limits is work) but we always keep it clean and respect others around the fire..  If you can't keep it clean and you need an off topics.....pack your bags and move on.  Lots of other forms to talk trash about others......this is not it.

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If I may, another poll option?  :peep:





Make Off Topics have the same rules as the rest of the forum
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

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This site has changed throughout the years but that is natural with growth.

Some are thin skinned and some are a little tough skinned for their own good. We all know babysitting has to happen because it does on every forum. I voted opt in and approved because some just need to babysat more and once you cross that line you loose your membership to off topics. But this is a great site and everyone has valuable outdoor advice so you can still contribute on those boards

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If I may, another poll option?  :peep:





Make Off Topics have the same rules as the rest of the forum

Good recommendation, it's added, anyone can change their vote at any time!

Did you have any comments to add about that option, I think everyone should air their thoughts so all the members can decide what is best for the forum?
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Wahhhh... off topics is great!! If you can't control yourself and what you read then you'll never be happy anyways! People who are interested in off topic subjects but love hunting get to share their point of views with like minded people. Or people who love hunting and think differently... what's not to love?

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I think it is crappy that pertinent topics to hunting get moved to the off topics because a few can't mind their P's and Q's .......  The response I have gotten (more than once) is .....just join the off topics if you want to discuss that topic.  I opt out of the off topics because the majority (so I've been told) is a bunch of old ladies complaining just because they can.  I try not to involve myself in that mess as it is counter productive.  If you want to be on this forum keep it clean and keep it in the campfire forum (hunting or not....at my campfire the only thing off limits is work) but we always keep it clean and respect others around the fire..  If you can't keep it clean and you need an off topics.....pack your bags and move on.  Lots of other forms to talk trash about others......this is not it.

Thanks for the comments, I'm just a bit confused and need you to clarify, are you saying you want the off topics in the Virtual Campfire?

To clarify my thoughts, I don't want non-outdoor related politics, religious topics, and quite a few of the non-hunting topics on the main forum. If we get rid of the off-topics we will get rid of them completely, we are not going to move them to the open forum where we have to babysit it all the time because as most of us know, some members simply will not remain civil in those topics.
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If I may, another poll option?  :peep:





Make Off Topics have the same rules as the rest of the forum
No leave it alone we need one ave. where people can let off steam.
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Set every profile that has posted in there, in the last 7 days, to only post in there and lock them out of the rest of the entire forum.
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I understand that there needs to be a place for political views and rants.  Good debate is a good thing but unfortunately in OT things have gone way over and above debate.  The name calling, personal attacks and vulgar language even in OT should not be happening.  I guess you have to look at it this way.  A person joined a hunting forum for what?  If that person is posting in OT and nothing much else maybe that person should reevaluate why they are really here.  :dunno:   My vote is for making it a request and approval.  Really it comes down to something really simple.  Just follow the rules.
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I think it is crappy that pertinent topics to hunting get moved to the off topics because a few can't mind their P's and Q's .......  The response I have gotten (more than once) is .....just join the off topics if you want to discuss that topic.  I opt out of the off topics because the majority (so I've been told) is a bunch of old ladies complaining just because they can.  I try not to involve myself in that mess as it is counter productive.  If you want to be on this forum keep it clean and keep it in the campfire forum (hunting or not....at my campfire the only thing off limits is work) but we always keep it clean and respect others around the fire..  If you can't keep it clean and you need an off topics.....pack your bags and move on.  Lots of other forms to talk trash about others......this is not it.

Thanks for the comments, I'm just a bit confused and need you to clarify, are you saying you want the off topics in the Virtual Campfire?

To clarify my thoughts, I don't want non-outdoor related politics, religious topics, and quite a few of the non-hunting topics on the main forum. If we get rid of the off-topics we will get rid of them completely, we are not going to move them to the open forum where we have to babysit it all the time because as most of us know, some members simply will not remain civil in those topics.

Hunting topics that get too heated have been moved to OT instead of moderating the thread and removing volatile or offensive comments.
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If you don't like what goes on in OT, be an adult and opt out. I did. I never have a problem now with what's posted in there.  :twocents:
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I really do like this....

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I think it is crappy that pertinent topics to hunting get moved to the off topics because a few can't mind their P's and Q's .......  The response I have gotten (more than once) is .....just join the off topics if you want to discuss that topic.  I opt out of the off topics because the majority (so I've been told) is a bunch of old ladies complaining just because they can.  I try not to involve myself in that mess as it is counter productive.  If you want to be on this forum keep it clean and keep it in the campfire forum (hunting or not....at my campfire the only thing off limits is work) but we always keep it clean and respect others around the fire..  If you can't keep it clean and you need an off topics.....pack your bags and move on.  Lots of other forms to talk trash about others......this is not it.

but Id like a place to put all the crap news stories.  I get sick of them.  I do hate it when a good topic gets moved.

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I don't understand some of the comments about vulgar language in OT. I don't notice vulgar language in there and I believe the board has words censored just like the rest of the forum.

I also don't understand why it is not moderated like the rest of the forum, but at the same time, I don't understand the problem some people have with it now? 

Actually,  there are a lot of topics in VC that I think should be in OT but aren't. Plenty of things are discussed in VC that are not outdoor related.  I guess I just don't understand why some people are opposed to OT but that's OK I don't need to understand why; I think it's great that we have the option to discuss non outdoor related issues and others that don't want to can easily avoid it.

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I will vote but from my observations, some people only use HW for the Off Topics option. Not really the spirit of the site.  If over 50% of your posts are in Off Topics your here for all the wrong reasons.

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I think it's fine, have off topics and then be pretty aggressive about cleaning out comments from legitimate hunting threads.  Debate is fine, once the name calling starts, either clear that out with a warning or move the whole thread.  If the OP isn't involved in the circus and the thread has some merit, I think it should be cleaned and allowed to stay.

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I voted don't care, because I don't. I subscribe to off topics and I peak through the basement window from time to time. I actually enjoy reading quite a few of the main OT contributors point of views on topics. The language ad comments don't bother me, I hear worse live and in person throughout a day anyways.

And the best part, I leave when I'm full. I voted don't care but really would
Leave it the way it is. For those it offends, OPT out and carry on with life.
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Keep it the way it is!  We all get heated over certain things, that just means we are hunan. 

Pretty simple if you don't like it, don't go in there.
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I think it is crappy that pertinent topics to hunting get moved to the off topics because a few can't mind their P's and Q's .......  The response I have gotten (more than once) is .....just join the off topics if you want to discuss that topic.  I opt out of the off topics because the majority (so I've been told) is a bunch of old ladies complaining just because they can.  I try not to involve myself in that mess as it is counter productive.  If you want to be on this forum keep it clean and keep it in the campfire forum (hunting or not....at my campfire the only thing off limits is work) but we always keep it clean and respect others around the fire..  If you can't keep it clean and you need an off topics.....pack your bags and move on.  Lots of other forms to talk trash about others......this is not it.

Thanks for the comments, I'm just a bit confused and need you to clarify, are you saying you want the off topics in the Virtual Campfire?

To clarify my thoughts, I don't want non-outdoor related politics, religious topics, and quite a few of the non-hunting topics on the main forum. If we get rid of the off-topics we will get rid of them completely, we are not going to move them to the open forum where we have to babysit it all the time because as most of us know, some members simply will not remain civil in those topics.

Essentially....YES.  the campfire is a place to discuss anything, as long as it stays civil and clean.  Just because you don't like a certain topic doesn't mean others won't enjoy it.  If you (or I) don't like certain topic, don't open it and read it.  If it is in the campfire it can be moderated. 

Maybe I should change my vote to "open the off topics to everyone and moderate it like the rest of the forum". I just think it is silly that the decision was made to move the rowdy crowd to a special locked (opt in /out) thread so mods could shut the door and forget about them...... i.e. not moderate them.  It ruins some of those topics for the good kids. 

At the end of the day.....allowing an unmoderated board promotes the negative characteristics that are not allowed in the open forum.  It is like telling your kid....it is ok to eat your buggers as long as you don't do it in front of the family. 

Hope that clarifies......this is a fairly complicated topic so putting words in a screen is sometimes more difficult than being able to express ones self with conversation. 

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I voted to keep it as it is. Off topics is not for me but that shouldn't keep other people off of it.

I think that some should put it on ignore.
I also think that there should be a little moderating on it instead of a free for all.

There are some topics that should be discussed and heavily moderated and kept on VC instead of getting thrown to off topics.
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I just think it is silly that the decision was made to move the rowdy crowd to a special locked (opt in /out) thread so mods could shut the door and forget about them...... i.e. not moderate them.  It ruins some of those topics for the good kids. 

At the end of the day.....allowing an unmoderated board promotes the negative characteristics that are not allowed in the open forum.  It is like telling your kid....it is ok to eat your buggers as long as you don't do it in front of the family. 

:yeah: Basically my sentiment. If it's going to be allowed in one area of the forum, it is likely to continue to spill over into the rest of the hunting forum. This is not a general discussion forum or a personal facebook page.

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I think one of the benefits of Off topics that some of you might not be aware of, is I believe it isn't picked up by the google bots, so its not searchable and viewable by the general public versus stuff that pops on the main forum.   Kind of a nice place to keep your dirty laundry I guess. 

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I am a member of off topics, However, I have pondered many times through-out the year to opt out.  There are few people that dominate the off topics world that I don't believe ever leave the house or keyboard.  I participate less in the forum due to this conundrum, so the right answer is to opt out, but I just haven't taken that step. 

I voted to keep it is the way it is, but if I had my choices, I would limit the number of topics started to a certain # per month per member.  I know this isn't realistic to moderate in that fashion, but I will say that it is over whelming at times.

Update: I just left off topics.  I am going to try that for a few weeks and see if it changes my opinion.

 

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