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Members are complaining about the off-topics board, how should it be changed?

Keep off-topics the way it is, members can freely opt in and opt out
168 (58.9%)
Keep off-topics the way it is but make all members opt in again
11 (3.9%)
Make off topics by request and approval only, you would have to request membership
13 (4.6%)
Remove off-topics from the forum completely
37 (13%)
I really don't care what happens with off-topics
31 (10.9%)
Off Topics has the same rules as the rest of the forum
25 (8.8%)

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Author Topic: POLL: Members are complaining about the off-topics, how should it be changed?  (Read 14183 times)

Offline DOUBLELUNG

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I'm not sure it can be improved.  I've never opted in to Off Topics, nor will I.  You have subject area threads, then virtual campfire for civil, moderated discourse on any subject, and then an unmoderated jungle where the less prudish, more opinionated can put on their big boy pants if they want to risk having their feelings bruised because somebody on the internet was mean.  You will never satisfy everyone on a public website.
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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The only thing I don't like is when a thread gets moved to off topics. The Bullwinkle thread was a pretty good example, instead of moving the whole thread I think a new off topic thread should be started and the general elk hunting thread cleaned up.

Understandably this causes slot more work so if it's not implemented due to lack of manpower I can understand that.

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Off topics is basically the Politics/ Current Events forum. For those not interested in those kind of topics, don't opt in. Pretty simple. I don't like reading about sports but you don't see me complaining about those topics being in the Virtual Campfire forum, even though that forum is supposed to be only for hunting / outdoor related topics. If I don't want to read a thread I don't click on it.

I really like the idea of requiring everyone to opt in to off topics, again. Even those who already are opted in now, clear everyone out, and have everyone do it again. If we could have opting in be a requirement monthly, that would be even better. Then nobody could legitimately complain about the fact that some people like to talk politics on here.

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Agree bobcat.  If someone isn't opt-in to the off topics, then how do they know it is there and causing a kerfuffle?

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question for those opted out....does it show up on the right in recent topics

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Wahhhh... off topics is great!! If you can't control yourself and what you read then you'll never be happy anyways! People who are interested in off topic subjects but love hunting get to share their point of views with like minded people. Or people who love hunting and think differently... what's not to love?
  :yeah:    I love the off topics. Pathetically, that's where I get half my daily news  :chuckle:. I voted to leave as is. I don't know what is so hard about opting out if a member doesn't like it. I hunt and fish, but I also like the non outdoors topics as well. I like to read other people's opinions on many subjects, like minded or otherwise. It's pretty simple to me, if you don't like it don't go there.
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question for those opted out....does it show up on the right in recent topics

It does not.
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I liked the Off Topics area a lot more when it was moderated.
There were actual discussions and different opinions, now not so much.
It has degenerated to who can post the most links and blast the others out of the conversation insults, and at times down right childish behavior.
I still go in there, but some threads I will avoid like the plague, because it might be catchy like a communicable disease.
Either way "ignore" is a wonderful feature!

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Keep off-topics the way it is, members can freely opt in and opt out

Leave it alone. If you don't like it, put it on ignore. If you can't figure out how, ask me.
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 :yeah:
I am a member of off topics. I post very little there (or anywhere else as you can see by my post count). There are whole sections I never go to...take the hound hunting section...I don't hound hunt and am not really interested...SOOO, I just don't go to that section.

Likewise, there are certain shows on tv that I watch and some that I don't....no need to take the ones I don't watch off the air just because I don't like them (no matter how much I wish they would  :chuckle: )
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Keep it the way it is!  We all get heated over certain things, that just means we are hunan. 

Pretty simple if you don't like it, don't go in there.

 :yeah:  Like this poll............

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I will vote but from my observations, some people only use HW for the Off Topics option. Not really the spirit of the site.  If over 50% of your posts are in Off Topics your here for all the wrong reasons.
I agree.  It would not hurt my feelings to see it tossed. 

OT is a disaster. There are lots of political forums and places for people to talk about subjects that are "off topic"; HuntWa should not be their outlet.

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Off topics is entertainment for me and I visit it often  but I think the forum would be better without it. I always wondered whether having a place where our members could feel free to rabble rouse like sailors on shore leave was in conflict with the "family oriented" mission of the hunting community. Why have a board that you have to hide under the mattress because you don't want your mom to see it? I also feel that if it is continued it could be improved by limiting or prohibiting the posting of links - When people are required to post their own opinion in their own words the trolls tend to find another place to hang out. Just my opinion and I'll continue to enjoy the forum whatever the outcome of off topics.

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Off topics is entertainment for me and I visit it often  but I think the forum would be better without it. I always wondered whether having a place where our members could feel free to rabble rouse like sailors on shore leave was in conflict with the "family oriented" mission of the hunting community. Why have a board that you have to hide under the mattress because you don't want your mom to see it? I also feel that if it is continued it could be improved by limiting or prohibiting the posting of links - When people are required to post their own opinion in their own words the trolls tend to find another place to hang out. Just my opinion and I'll continue to enjoy the forum whatever the outcome of off topics.

Links are necessary in order to act as a reference

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Keep off-topics the way it is, members can freely opt in and opt out

Leave it alone. If you don't like it, put it on ignore. If you can't figure out how, ask me.


:yeah:

Off-topics came to be as a result of people wanting to discuss "Off Topics" with their fellow sportsmen and sportswomen.  That said, and if it is to continue, it can be improved by members who do use or want to use it. 


As an aside, people suggesting that hunt-wa is not a place for people that, paraphrasing/interpreting, don't have success pics to share every year or are demonstrated experts on hunting, fishing, or whatever is important to YOU, are making a mistake. 

I (yes, I can recognize the ire) like many other people who have joined hunt-wa, lurked here for several years to gain tips, insights, and knowledge before joining hunt-wa.  I will continue to be a member of hunt-wa so long as hunting and fishing remains an interest, regardless of how my skills improve or how successful I am at either, and whether off-topics continues or can be improved.

It is a mistake, because bemoaning people who do not share success pics or provide tips on areas and/or tactics comes across as elitist, it is repulsive to me as a novice hunter and a relative noob to WA hunting and fishing and to the notion of hunting and fishing as an everyman's sport, and it is counter to hunter and fisherman recruitment, generally, and to hunt-wa member recruitment in particular. 


However, cleaning up off-topics is in no way counter to these ideals/objectives and it could and should be done, for the good of hunt-wa members.

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I will vote but from my observations, some people only use HW for the Off Topics option. Not really the spirit of the site.  If over 50% of your posts are in Off Topics your here for all the wrong reasons.
I agree.  It would not hurt my feelings to see it tossed. 

OT is a disaster. There are lots of political forums and places for people to talk about subjects that are "off topic"; HuntWa should not be their outlet.

I agree, and I generally dislike the OT, but if you don't opt into it, you don't see it. If you do opt in and don't like it, opt out or go to the "ignore boards" option and click to ignore it. Again, you literally won't even know it's there.
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I will vote but from my observations, some people only use HW for the Off Topics option. Not really the spirit of the site.  If over 50% of your posts are in Off Topics your here for all the wrong reasons.
I agree.  It would not hurt my feelings to see it tossed. 

OT is a disaster. There are lots of political forums and places for people to talk about subjects that are "off topic"; HuntWa should not be their outlet.

I agree, and I generally dislike the OT, but if you don't opt into it, you don't see it. If you do opt in and don't like it, opt out or go to the "ignore boards" option and click to ignore it. Again, you literally won't even know it's there.

I ignored it a while back, which has been nice.  I just hate to see that HuntWa has became a propaganda machine, after a quick look at OT this morning (as a result of this thread) it strengthened that opinion.  There are folks that post almost exclusively there; IMO the hunting forum is not the right one to inundate with their garbage.

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Keep off-topics the way it is, members can freely opt in and opt out

Leave it alone. If you don't like it, put it on ignore. If you can't figure out how, ask me.


:yeah:

Off-topics came to be as a result of people wanting to discuss "Off Topics" with their fellow sportsmen and sportswomen.  That said, and if it is to continue, it can be improved by members who do use or want to use it. 


As an aside, people suggesting that hunt-wa is not a place for people that, paraphrasing/interpreting, don't have success pics to share every year or are demonstrated experts on hunting, fishing, or whatever is important to YOU, are making a mistake. 

I (yes, I can recognize the ire) like many other people who have joined hunt-wa, lurked here for several years to gain tips, insights, and knowledge before joining hunt-wa.  I will continue to be a member of hunt-wa so long as hunting and fishing remains an interest, regardless of how my skills improve or how successful I am at either, and whether off-topics continues or can be improved.

It is a mistake, because bemoaning people who do not share success pics or provide tips on areas and/or tactics comes across as elitist, it is repulsive to me as a novice hunter and a relative noob to WA hunting and fishing and to the notion of hunting and fishing as an everyman's sport, and it is counter to hunter and fisherman recruitment, generally, and to hunt-wa member recruitment in particular. 


However, cleaning up off-topics is in no way counter to these ideals/objectives and it could and should be done, for the good of hunt-wa members.

How would you suggest is a good way to clean it up?
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Could we change the default settings to "opt-in" instead of "opt-out" for the off topics board? That one small change can go a long way towards decreasing traffic unless people really want in...

I know I've been much happier on the site since opting out of the "off topics" section!

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Dale knows where I stand in regard to the off topics board. I don't like it. I'm against a bunch  of political crap on the forum. Back in the day when Ray was still the owner of Hunt Wa I got really vocal with him about politics to the point I was going to cease being a part of the forum. I wasn't alone. To quell those concerns, Ray created the OT. I still disliked it but once I figured out I could ignore it, I no longer had an argument.
We try to be pretty heavy handed about OT crap flowing out into the main forum. One of the big concerns we had/have is that all the crap talk in there doesn't spill over onto the main forum. Some of you have mentioned seeing the spill over. Please point it out if it's happening. We will address it directly.
As much as I openly dislike all the stuff we have to deal with in the OT, I don't have a legit argument for getting rid of it. There are only a few regular posters there(some of which literally never post anything hunting/outdoors related. I don't get it). If they vanished, the popularity would crap out and the board would likely die off in a hurry.
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It is a mistake, because bemoaning people who do not share success pics or provide tips on areas and/or tactics comes across as elitist, it is repulsive to me as a novice hunter and a relative noob to WA hunting and fishing and to the notion of hunting and fishing as an everyman's sport, and it is counter to hunter and fisherman recruitment, generally, and to hunt-wa member recruitment in particular. 
No one is "bemoaning the people who do not share success pictures".  The bemoaning has to do with all the garbage being posted and the members that seem to be here only for those off topic conversations.  You are one of those folks, in case it seemed like I was dancing around the issue.

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Could we change the default settings to "opt-in" instead of "opt-out" for the off topics board? That one small change can go a long way towards decreasing traffic unless people really want in...

I know I've been much happier on the site since opting out of the "off topics" section!

Is it not already that way? It used to be, if it changed I am unaware of it.

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I voted to just leave it be.
First, the reason I believe it is good to have OTs as a part of the forum is that those who choose to can talk about current events and politics with other people from our state who at least share one common love. The love of the outdoors, hunting and fishing.
It gets heated sometimes and that is natural. As adults we should be able to handle that. I've had my hackles raised a few times in there, but that happens with the free exchange of opinions and ideas. I would prefer to deal with a little bit of frustration than to live in a safe space bubble.
Second, there are easy to use options on this site available to those who do not wish to discuss current events and politics here. Opting out and ignoring the OT board is a very simple process. Ignoring individual threads and even individual members is also a very easy thing to do. Honestly though, I have only ever put one member on my ignore list and that was not even prompted by an OT thread. He was just an obvious troll and I refuse to feed trolls.
Finally, if some people feel that the site has changed too much for their liking I would suggest that they become part of the solution. Rather than complaining about a thing and demanding someone else fix it, become part of the solution. Become more active outside of the OT area. Start more threads about the activities you love. Make positive comments on other peoples threads. If a troll bothers you then put them on the ignore list.
Hope you all have a great day.
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So my question is if there's no off topics section ,is mods just gonna delete any topic they feel is off topic from hunting. :dunno:
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