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H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« on: August 16, 2017, 10:54:42 AM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2017, 11:00:11 AM »
Yes!

I think this is a great move.  Thank you, Bearpaw.

(However, please do have a civil conversation, with facts.  We could all stand to learn more, nobody knows everything.)
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2017, 11:00:24 AM »
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2017, 11:12:15 AM »
Well said.  Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2017, 11:39:53 AM »
Good move Dale.

You are right the courts set the quotas.

I do think though that some tribal individuals go just a little over board in some respects.( running a net completely across a water way or several nets and the wastage of unwanted fish)

These I view as personal decisions by individuals and should be fair game for complaint. If the individual really cared about the resource they wouldn't do it.  :twocents:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2017, 11:43:09 AM »
Good move Dale.

You are right the courts set the quotas.

I do think though that some tribal individuals go just a little over board in some respects.( running a net completely across a water way or several nets and the wastage of unwanted fish)

These I view as personal decisions by individuals and should be fair game for complaint. If the individual really cared about the resource they wouldn't do it.  :twocents:
Of coarse their is poor decisions on both sides.

Thanks for your comments. We're not trying to stop discussion from happening, we simply want to keep it civil and prevent the posts that cause those topics to escalate to the point they are disgusting to most people.
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2017, 11:59:42 AM »
Good move Dale.

You are right the courts set the quotas.

I do think though that some tribal individuals go just a little over board in some respects.( running a net completely across a water way or several nets and the wastage of unwanted fish)

These I view as personal decisions by individuals and should be fair game for complaint. If the individual really cared about the resource they wouldn't do it.  :twocents:
Of coarse their is poor decisions on both sides.

This is the type of discussions i support. Individuals are responsible for their actions, not an entire group/race/nation.

If the individual is to blame then blame them and vent, just don't expand on the vent and include others that had nothing to do with the individual in question.. :tup:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2017, 12:02:36 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here... who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

If ya' want to know what the mods objected to and demanded that I cease, it was recognizing out and out bigotry and labeling those responsible for spreading it "bigots."  Calling someone a "poopy head" is name calling, labeling someone who engages in personal attacks on another based on that person's race or ethnicity with the apropriate term is not name calling. 
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 12:08:49 PM »
That's the way it is. When a group wastes and takes advantage of the situation you are going to have others that dislike the favoritism.
Therein lies the issue. You are blaming all in a group for the actions of some. That's not right and what we are not gonna let happen here.
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2017, 12:12:08 PM »
And this is not the thread tp rehash drama.

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2017, 12:14:26 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2017, 12:30:04 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

FYI: I have friends who live on the Colville and Spokane Reservations and other enrolled tribal friends who live off the reservation. I know other members of this forum have tribal friends too, please don't try to paint every H-W member as hating the tribes! If I misunderstood your innuendo I apologize, but I thought it sounded that way.

For everyone, we have tightened the rules and expect all members to comply starting yesterday and moving forward. We want to avoid bringing up old heated topics and forum or member bashing, but we want to allow civil discussion, so please stop and think. We can't change or take back what some members on either side may have said in the past, it was said, I'm sorry it happened, but to have positive change we must acknowledge mistakes were made, bad things were said, and and move forward in the most positive and civil way possible.

Everyone is never going to agree, I get that, but PLEASE, let's all concentrate on making positive changes and encouraging respectful comments and discussion moving forward. Anyone who wishes to participate in a respectful manner is welcome.

THANKS,

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2017, 12:30:21 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here... who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

If ya' want to know what the mods objected to and demanded that I cease, it was recognizing out and out bigotry and labeling those responsible for spreading it "bigots."  Calling someone a "poopy head" is name calling, labeling someone who engages in personal attacks on another based on that person's race or ethnicity with the apropriate term is not name calling. 

Moving forward, the post from Dale is the way it is here on Hunt Wa. It may be too late for some...but moving forward here on our forum, it is what it is. It's not up for discussion. He's telling you how it's going to go.

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2017, 12:37:33 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Thanks Bearpaw!  :tup:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2017, 12:42:50 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

FYI: I have friends who live on the Colville and Spokane Reservations and other enrolled tribal friends who live off the reservation. I know other members of this forum have tribal friends too, please don't try to paint every H-W member as hating the tribes! If I misunderstood your innuendo I apologize, but I thought it sounded that way.

For everyone, we have tightened the rules and expect all members to comply starting yesterday and moving forward. We want to avoid bringing up old heated topics and forum or member bashing, but we want to allow civil discussion, so please stop and think. We can't change or take back what some members on either side may have said in the past, it was said, I'm sorry it happened, but to have positive change we must acknowledge mistakes were made, bad things were said, and and move forward in the most positive and civil way possible.

Everyone is never going to agree, I get that, but PLEASE, let's all concentrate on making positive changes and encouraging respectful comments and discussion moving forward. Anyone who wishes to participate in a respectful manner is welcome.

THANKS,

Dale Denney
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It is a LONG way from being "every H-W member," it is a small minority.

The issue I have and the issue that Tribal members have is that the behavior has been tolerated by certain mods and allowed to go on when those engaging in it were allowed to continue IMHO should have been told to either clean up their act or vamoose just as soon as it got started. 




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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2017, 12:44:44 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

FYI: I have friends who live on the Colville and Spokane Reservations and other enrolled tribal friends who live off the reservation. I know other members of this forum have tribal friends too, please don't try to paint every H-W member as hating the tribes! If I misunderstood your innuendo I apologize, but I thought it sounded that way.

For everyone, we have tightened the rules and expect all members to comply starting yesterday and moving forward. We want to avoid bringing up old heated topics and forum or member bashing, but we want to allow civil discussion, so please stop and think. We can't change or take back what some members on either side may have said in the past, it was said, I'm sorry it happened, but to have positive change we must acknowledge mistakes were made, bad things were said, and and move forward in the most positive and civil way possible.

Everyone is never going to agree, I get that, but PLEASE, let's all concentrate on making positive changes and encouraging respectful comments and discussion moving forward. Anyone who wishes to participate in a respectful manner is welcome.

THANKS,

Dale Denney
Forum Owner

It is a LONG way from being "every H-W member," it is a small minority.

The issue I have and the issue that Tribal members have is that the behavior has been tolerated by certain mods and allowed to go on when those engaging in it were allowed to continue IMHO should have been told to either clean up their act or vamoose just as soon as it got started. 





We're moving forward to make changes. We suggest you do as well. Trust me when I say let it rest as this is not the thread for it. We're telling you this is how it's going to be.

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2017, 12:44:56 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

FYI: I have friends who live on the Colville and Spokane Reservations and other enrolled tribal friends who live off the reservation. I know other members of this forum have tribal friends too, please don't try to paint every H-W member as hating the tribes! If I misunderstood your innuendo I apologize, but I thought it sounded that way.

For everyone, we have tightened the rules and expect all members to comply starting yesterday and moving forward. We want to avoid bringing up old heated topics and forum or member bashing, but we want to allow civil discussion, so please stop and think. We can't change or take back what some members on either side may have said in the past, it was said, I'm sorry it happened, but to have positive change we must acknowledge mistakes were made, bad things were said, and and move forward in the most positive and civil way possible.

Everyone is never going to agree, I get that, but PLEASE, let's all concentrate on making positive changes and encouraging respectful comments and discussion moving forward. Anyone who wishes to participate in a respectful manner is welcome.

THANKS,

Dale Denney
Forum Owner

It is a LONG way from being "every H-W member," it is a small minority.

The issue I have and the issue that Tribal members have is that the behavior has been tolerated by certain mods and allowed to go on when those engaging in it were allowed to continue IMHO should have been told to either clean up their act or vamoose just as soon as it got started.
They were and now we are having a refresher on "clean it up or get out". Now if we could get beyond the stuff we can't change and move on in a positive manner. Thanks.
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2017, 12:52:35 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here... who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

If ya' want to know what the mods objected to and demanded that I cease, it was recognizing out and out bigotry and labeling those responsible for spreading it "bigots."  Calling someone a "poopy head" is name calling, labeling someone who engages in personal attacks on another based on that person's race or ethnicity with the apropriate term is not name calling. 

Moving forward, the post from Dale is the way it is here on Hunt Wa. It may be too late for some...but moving forward here on our forum, it is what it is. It's not up for discussion. He's telling you how it's going to go.

What I mean by that is that it is too late to get almost all of those who have been abused to come back and try again to participate.

In the link I put up someone posted that a couple of the guys in the photo used to post here, but left.  Here's news for ya' all, all four of them have left this site never to participate again, and that is our loss.   There is one heck of a lot of valuable knowledge that will not be shared here and we have a few individuals who thought it was smart or funny or whatever to either join in or decided to sit back and allow it to go on to thank for that loss. 

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2017, 12:54:50 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here... who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

If ya' want to know what the mods objected to and demanded that I cease, it was recognizing out and out bigotry and labeling those responsible for spreading it "bigots."  Calling someone a "poopy head" is name calling, labeling someone who engages in personal attacks on another based on that person's race or ethnicity with the apropriate term is not name calling. 

Moving forward, the post from Dale is the way it is here on Hunt Wa. It may be too late for some...but moving forward here on our forum, it is what it is. It's not up for discussion. He's telling you how it's going to go.

What I mean by that is that it is too late to get almost all of those who have been abused to come back and try again to participate.

In the link I put up someone posted that a couple of the guys in the photo used to post here, but left.  Here's news for ya' all, all four of them have left this site never to participate again, and that is our loss.   There is one heck of a lot of valuable knowledge that will not be shared here and we have a few individuals who thought it was smart or funny or whatever to either join in or decided to sit back and allow it to go on to thank for that loss. 

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2017, 12:56:44 PM »
The process set forth by Dale, the owner of this forum, is not up for debate at this point in time.  This is the way it will be moving forward. If any of you guys want to squabble over this, feel free to send either myself, bearpaw or Boneaddict a pm and we'll discuss all you want. Leave it off the open forum.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2017, 12:59:24 PM »
 Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2017, 01:00:12 PM »
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2017, 01:02:22 PM »
Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed
Dale opened this thread to explain how it was going to go moving forward.

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2017, 01:03:31 PM »
Keep the the good work guys!  The chatter of change is echoing among some of the old guard and you may see some old faces popping back up :tup:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2017, 01:05:11 PM »
Tribal hunting and fishing accounts for a substantial percentage of the hunting and fishing that occurs in Washington and many other states. There is a great deal of controversy and hard feelings regarding what percentage of the resources each side thinks they should receive. The fact is that the agencies and courts decide these percentages. Hunters and fishers on either side of the issue understandably hunt and fish as much as they are allowed by the agencies and courts which are in control. The individual hunters and fishers don't determine who gets what percentage so it makes little sense to blame each other for the decisions made by the courts and agencies.

Because these are hunting and fishing issues discussion should be allowed on a hunting and outdoors forum, but any trash talk or instigating from either side of the conversation will no longer be allowed. If you comment in a tribal topic you must follow the same rules as all other topics or face the consequences. Members on both side of the issue deserve equal respect!

Too late. 

I spent the last week w/Colville Tribal members who are avid sportsmen and some of whom have been instrumental in what really and truly amounts to a paradigm shift in the way a LOT of Tribal members a) see these issues and b) interact with non_Tribal members and c) develop and pursue what is commonly referred to as a "Sporting ethic." 

They want nothing more to do with this site, and given how they have been personally attacked, slandered and otherwise abused here... who in their right mind could blame them? 

And if you want to see for yourself what I am talking about just go here and take a look at just one example:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200874.0.html

If ya' want to know what the mods objected to and demanded that I cease, it was recognizing out and out bigotry and labeling those responsible for spreading it "bigots."  Calling someone a "poopy head" is name calling, labeling someone who engages in personal attacks on another based on that person's race or ethnicity with the apropriate term is not name calling. 

Moving forward, the post from Dale is the way it is here on Hunt Wa. It may be too late for some...but moving forward here on our forum, it is what it is. It's not up for discussion. He's telling you how it's going to go.

What I mean by that is that it is too late to get almost all of those who have been abused to come back and try again to participate.

In the link I put up someone posted that a couple of the guys in the photo used to post here, but left.  Here's news for ya' all, all four of them have left this site never to participate again, and that is our loss.   There is one heck of a lot of valuable knowledge that will not be shared here and we have a few individuals who thought it was smart or funny or whatever to either join in or decided to sit back and allow it to go on to thank for that loss.

Jd, at the time that topic was posted we were operating with less stringent guidelines. Due to member request we have changed that and have posted our new policy and the desire to move forward with more civil discussion. We understand there will be some people who will not want to participate, but this will hopefully be a friendlier place for those who do participate, so please let it go.
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2017, 01:06:24 PM »
 :hello: great changes being made right before the best time of the year.

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2017, 01:11:47 PM »
JDHasty, in the interest of moving the forum in a positive direction it's the mod team decision...  :ban:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2017, 01:30:46 PM »
Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed
Dale opened this thread to explain how it was going to go moving forward.
Well then it should be locked to comment

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2017, 01:35:59 PM »
Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed
Dale opened this thread to explain how it was going to go moving forward.
Well then it should be locked to comment

It's open to comment, but if anyone wants to dwell on past problems we are not going to allow that to bring down the new direction of the forum. He was warned enough times before we took action.
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2017, 01:40:19 PM »
Good move Dale.

You are right the courts set the quotas.

I do think though that some tribal individuals go just a little over board in some respects.( running a net completely across a water way or several nets and the wastage of unwanted fish)

These I view as personal decisions by individuals and should be fair game for complaint. If the individual really cared about the resource they wouldn't do it.  :twocents:
Of coarse their is poor decisions on both sides.

This is the type of discussions i support. Individuals are responsible for their actions, not an entire group/race/nation.

If the individual is to blame then blame them and vent, just don't expand on the vent and include others that had nothing to do with the individual in question.. :tup:

You would say that. Kidding! Good move, Dale.  :tup:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2017, 01:43:35 PM »
Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed
Dale opened this thread to explain how it was going to go moving forward.
Well then it should be locked to comment

It's open to comment, but if anyone wants to dwell on past problems we are not going to allow that to bring down the new direction of the forum. He was warned enough times before we took action.

To expand a little more on that and then I'll shut up, even the moderator team has varying opinions of tribal hunting. It's normal for people to not agree on topics, especially hunters, but we are able to communicate respectfully with each other on the issue, and we all agree that these discussions must be kept civil and it's important to not allow old heated topics to destroy the forum.
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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2017, 05:20:32 PM »
Keep the the good work guys!  The chatter of change is echoing among some of the old guard and you may see some old faces popping back up :tup:

 :tup:  I can think of a few I would like to see back.  Some, I have had the opportunity to meet in the field.  Glad to see the cleanup and direction HW has chosen to go.
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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2017, 06:31:55 PM »
The other day the NWTF and the WDFW are working together on updating the outdated turkey plan.  We are now also working with the Yakima tribe in helping with keeping birds at a healthy population.  I wish I new the guys name but I know he is with the tribe game department.  He is in the same boat as us in conservation and passing on the heritage of hunting.  I know there are a few bad apples like has been stated but I think the good really out weigh the bad.  Some people just don't look further then the bad.  I look forward to working with the tribe.  :tup:
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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2017, 06:44:06 PM »
Russ, I know some tribal members who are outstanding hunters and very good people. I would like to see the tribes and the state work out some of the differences. Our hunting and fishing opportunities could benefit if we could all work together. Unfortunately there are hard liners on both sides that don't want to see co-operation. A good example of positive efforts is SCI and the Yakamas working together to bring in antelope. I don't know if the state would have ever done that. Wolf hunting, it's possible the tribes will be the only ones who can manage wolves in this state.
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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2017, 07:26:16 PM »
Russ, I know some tribal members who are outstanding hunters and very good people. I would like to see the tribes and the state work out some of the differences. Our hunting and fishing opportunities could benefit if we could all work together. Unfortunately there are hard liners on both sides that don't want to see co-operation. A good example of positive efforts is SCI and the Yakamas working together to bring in antelope. I don't know if the state would have ever done that. Wolf hunting, it's possible the tribes will be the only ones who can manage wolves in this state.
I think the catalyst may be third parties like SCI, NWTF, or RMEF to get both parties to the table and talking.  I think it would be a great thing.

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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2017, 07:49:00 PM »
Russ, I know some tribal members who are outstanding hunters and very good people. I would like to see the tribes and the state work out some of the differences. Our hunting and fishing opportunities could benefit if we could all work together. Unfortunately there are hard liners on both sides that don't want to see co-operation. A good example of positive efforts is SCI and the Yakamas working together to bring in antelope. I don't know if the state would have ever done that. Wolf hunting, it's possible the tribes will be the only ones who can manage wolves in this state.
I think the catalyst may be third parties like SCI, NWTF, or RMEF to get both parties to the table and talking.  I think it would be a great thing.

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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2017, 09:01:33 PM »
This is a GREAT move.

Thanks Dale and mod team.

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JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)

I really hated that we couldn't have civil discussion on this before without it deteriorating.   I Have learned A LOT about Native hunting rights from a couple guys on here.  And it was only trough civil discussion...... sometimes via PM when things got heated on the board but I wanted to learn a different perspective.

 
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2017, 09:29:11 PM »
Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed
Dale opened this thread to explain how it was going to go moving forward.
Well then it should be locked to comment

It's open to comment, but if anyone wants to dwell on past problems we are not going to allow that to bring down the new direction of the forum. He was warned enough times before we took action.

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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2017, 02:51:17 AM »


JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)



I think the guy you mentioned made his bed. He joined this forum for one reason, to trash the name of another person he felt did wrong without knowing all the facts. In fact this wasn't the only place he did this on. Google his user name name with the word forum and in seconds you will find many forums even based all the way to the east coast he joined just to talk about one man. Go to the second page of Google with that  same seach and all the different news paper comments he made start popping up. The topic I'm regarding to was  a well debated one, on this site alone. Lots of feelings and opinions were put out there. At the end of the day what needed to happen was to let our legal system work out. In this case it didn't go the way he wanted it to and he got very vile here and on many other forums. Heck, I don't know  for a fact if justice was served in that deal. I do know one guy that was involved and he said it was.

I been on this site for a decade come next year. Not once till this guy have I ever seen a person go on a personal crusade to attack a person like he did. Assuming there is more to it than we know? Only way it makes sense is has a personal vendetta against this guy from before.

Hope the new direction they are working on here works. Because this is a good forum with potential to be great!
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2017, 08:23:45 AM »


JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)





I think the guy you mentioned made his bed. He joined this forum for one reason, to trash the name of another person he felt did wrong without knowing all the facts. In fact this wasn't the only place he did this on. Google his user name name with the word forum and in seconds you will find many forums even based all the way to the east coast he joined just to talk about one man. Go to the second page of Google with that  same seach and all the different news paper comments he made start popping up. The topic I'm regarding to was  a well debated one, on this site alone. Lots of feelings and opinions were put out there. At the end of the day what needed to happen was to let our legal system work out. In this case it didn't go the way he wanted it to and he got very vile here and on many other forums. Heck, I don't for a fact if justice was served in that deal. I do know one guy that was involved and he said it was.

I been on this site for a decade come next year. Not once till this guy have I ever seen a person go on a personal crusade to attack a person like he did. Assuming there is more to it than we know? Only way it makes sense is has a personal vendetta against this guy from before.

Hope the new direction they are working on here works. Because this is a good forum with potential to be great!

I want to remind everyone that one of the issues we are cleaning up is trashing other members. Please avoid posting comments that trash another member. If a member abuses the forum they will eventually be weeded out by their own actions, we don't need comments on the forum trashing them, that adds negativity to the atmosphere we are trying to improve.
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2017, 09:16:34 AM »
Glad to see these positive changes, Good going Admin team.
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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2017, 10:06:11 AM »


JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)





I think the guy you mentioned made his bed. He joined this forum for one reason, to trash the name of another person he felt did wrong without knowing all the facts. In fact this wasn't the only place he did this on. Google his user name name with the word forum and in seconds you will find many forums even based all the way to the east coast he joined just to talk about one man. Go to the second page of Google with that  same seach and all the different news paper comments he made start popping up. The topic I'm regarding to was  a well debated one, on this site alone. Lots of feelings and opinions were put out there. At the end of the day what needed to happen was to let our legal system work out. In this case it didn't go the way he wanted it to and he got very vile here and on many other forums. Heck, I don't for a fact if justice was served in that deal. I do know one guy that was involved and he said it was.

I been on this site for a decade come next year. Not once till this guy have I ever seen a person go on a personal crusade to attack a person like he did. Assuming there is more to it than we know? Only way it makes sense is has a personal vendetta against this guy from before.

Hope the new direction they are working on here works. Because this is a good forum with potential to be great!

I want to remind everyone that one of the issues we are cleaning up is trashing other members. Please avoid posting comments that trash another member. If a member abuses the forum they will eventually be weeded out by their own actions, we don't need comments on the forum trashing them, that adds negativity to the atmosphere we are trying to improve.

Again Bearpaw, thanks for running the best hunting forum out there.       :tup:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2017, 05:27:07 AM »
That's the way it is. When a group wastes and takes advantage of the situation you are going to have others that dislike the favoritism.
Therein lies the issue. You are blaming all in a group for the actions of some. That's not right and what we are not gonna let happen here.
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2017, 06:31:13 PM »
The other day the NWTF and the WDFW are working together on updating the outdated turkey plan.  We are now also working with the Yakima tribe in helping with keeping birds at a healthy population.  I wish I new the guys name but I know he is with the tribe game department.  He is in the same boat as us in conservation and passing on the heritage of hunting.  I know there are a few bad apples like has been stated but I think the good really out weigh the bad.  Some people just don't look further then the bad.  I look forward to working with the tribe.  :tup:
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Re: H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting &amp; Fishing Topics
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2017, 05:44:54 AM »
The other day the NWTF and the WDFW are working together on updating the outdated turkey plan.  We are now also working with the Yakima tribe in helping with keeping birds at a healthy population.  I wish I new the guys name but I know he is with the tribe game department.  He is in the same boat as us in conservation and passing on the heritage of hunting.  I know there are a few bad apples like has been stated but I think the good really out weigh the bad.  Some people just don't look further then the bad.  I look forward to working with the tribe.  :tup:
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