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Anyone build kitplanes?
« on: August 17, 2017, 07:12:52 PM »
looking into one


I haven't been around it, never seen it done, never flown a plane, don't have a license.   I literally got no clue.



but I want to put together a bush plane.  Looking at "just aircraft" and their big tired bush plane.
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2017, 07:14:09 PM »
not that I'll be doing this....but wow!

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2017, 07:17:03 PM »
Friends dad built and sold ultralights when I was growing up. Flew in them a few times. Lots of fun. Do your research, lots of different grades of quality.

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 07:25:03 PM »
This one will pucker you up  :o


full screen it   :o



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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2017, 11:17:55 AM »
looking into one


I haven't been around it, never seen it done, never flown a plane, don't have a license.   I literally got no clue.



but I want to put together a bush plane.  Looking at "just aircraft" and their big tired bush plane.

I did a lot of research on just this thing over the last 10 years. I had planned on going with Just Aircraft because for me it offered the best bang for the bucks and my expected needs. There is a large group of enthusiasts in the kit plane field. Before you buy anything you should at least go for a couple of flights or take an introductory flight lesson at a flight school. Definitely attend a couple of fly-ins and talk to the pilots. Research EAA for more information. Any questions, just ask.    :tup:

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2017, 12:29:48 PM »
Thanks for the input Zardoz

I've been in quite a few different small airplanes and helicopters, and do go to fly-ins quite often.  My favorite was a tour around Mt McKinley in AK Denali park.  Well maybe not, I did a helicopter ride down into the waterfall featured in Jurassic Park - this before they restricted helicopters from going down in there, we flew almost to the bottom THAT was cool, I let my new bride ride shotgun  :chuckle:   :tup:

I was at the Colville fly in last weekend and sent my son up in a Cessna as he's going to CWU and going through the aviation program there on his way to .mil and commercial airlines.  He hasn't flown as much as I, but he really wants to pursue this. 

I want to bounce around in a bush plane hunting/camping goofing around, and when I retire I want a go fast plane to visit grandkids,  and I thought he could also build time with it and perhaps teach me after his 3rd year at CWU as he'll have an instructor license.   


So in 3 years I want to have a plane ready to fly and a runway in my hay field.   I learned that if I build the kit plane I can do all my own annuals and work on the plane myself saving me money.  Before I retire I'll do it again with something like an RV 4 seater.

Right now I'm looking at the just aircraft super STOL stretch xl with the new UL 200hp engine that burns pump gas - lot of $$  :o

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2017, 02:06:24 PM »
Does CubCrafters in Yakima offer a DYI kit? It would be nice to have them in state if you run into any "issues". I'd love to learn to fly but when I was in college a buddy and I were flying his rc glider. It was a grey cloudy day and I about got sick from the vertigo. Watching the glider and trying to tell if it was flying level, asending or desending I couldn't tell as I had no landmarks to judge with. Scared me away from ever trying to learn to be a pilot. STOL competitions are really cool. Incredible to see them take off and then land in less than 60' combined.

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2017, 03:16:34 PM »
I watched some competitions in Alaska, was really cool.
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2017, 05:28:33 PM »
Great choice for a project. I was also considering the CH750 from Zenith Aircraft because it is also a solid design and I liked the idea of a metal design over fabric for STOL fun.   :twocents:

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2017, 10:36:57 PM »
yep, did it out of high school till i was about 30. Built Glasairs,Glastars,Sportsmans.
I would recommend making a list of what you would like the plane to do and what it must do then see if the kit fits what your looking for.Some have folding wings so you can trailer it home so you dont have to pay hanger rent.Some have a great stol capabilties but no useful load or a slow cruise speed.Some have float attach points so you can play on water.
From my experience not all kits are the same. Meaning, some companies do lousy jobs at manufacturing the parts.Which makes building them a nightmare. Others have the worst building manuals you have ever seen.Some are not properly engineered and i would never fly in them(using pop rivets on structual parts).Its was extremely fun building them if you enjoy that type of thing.
I knew a guy that built a glasair 3. which is a 300 mph low wing that you  better have your abiltity match it to be able to handle it.He spent 4 years building it only to finish and realized it was way beyond his capabilities to fly and ended up selling it.If i was to build one for my self I would do a sportsman and highly modify it like my best friend did.Its easy to fly.You can set it up fixed trike,tail dragger or floats. Has a good stol and a  good cruise and room to carry stuff. His plane has 35 inch tire i think,and is was built light.
Rv's are good planes but are not really a land in the bush type plane. More for cruising and aerobatics.

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2017, 05:16:31 PM »
Flying is one of the most non-forgiving sports there is. Like they say, take off is optional, but landing is mandatory.   :IBCOOL:

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 12:32:05 PM »
My cousin in Twisp built one and flies it regularly.  Vans RV-7

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 05:16:45 PM »
I just got off the phone with Steve Henry, he's using a Yamaha snowmobile engine and recommended I look at the highlander over the superSTOL.


Pretty cool, they have a centrifugal clutch so the prop is disengaged below 2700 RPM, throttle up and the prop spins.  I could think of a few good things about that and I'm not even a pilot yet. 


I'm also digging the Zenith air  801 SD SUPERSTOL.   It'll carry a lot more stuff and 4 people, plus its all metal.    I used to build boats so I can buck rivets and work sheet pretty good...but I guess it's all pulled rivets...and even in the wings  :o   should buy a bunch of cherry max and toss the kit's rivets?

but they spray crops with it and it works, if it'll haul around water and spray crops it'll hold up for me  :tup:

The biggest turn off for the Zenith air is lack of folding wings,  I can put the Just Aircraft highlander in a cargo trailer and run up to Alaska. 
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 06:50:08 PM »
My cousin in Twisp built one and flies it regularly.  Vans RV-7

This is my planned pre-retirement build. :rolleyes:

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 07:12:13 PM »
I was thinking RV 10 for a retirement build, want to take the grand kiddies up too  :chuckle:

The new mako looks good too
http://lancair.com/mako/
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 05:20:33 AM »
Awesome thread!!!
I have wanted to build an RV-10 forever, about to sell my motorcycle to try and fund the first kit.
Recently I have also considered a Sling 4 and when I first discovered kit planes I liked the Zenith aircraft.  Both Sling and Zenith use pull rivets, they are different than the ones at the local store so don't use those.

For the OP, I would go for a discover flight or something in any aircraft like a Cessna172 or similar to see if you like it.  Flying in a small plane has all sorts of different that I can't really explain, but you will understand as soon as you start down the runway. For me the thoughts on my first take off roll ranged from "is this thing going to fly, the math and physics says it will, but I am not sure, maybe we should stop now" to "holy crap this is terrifying" and then "I am glad I kept my mouth shut, this is awesome".

Also try to find a EAA fly in (there is one in Arlington) or local chapter and try to find people building or have built aircraft.  Try to fly in the ones your interested in and make sure they fit your "mission".  Volunteer to help with the builds you find, I found out I suck at composite and I hate working with it. Driving rivets is easy, just time consuming with all the drilling, fitting and deburring.  For some reason I have trouble with getting rivets to sit against parts right, but usually they are really easy.

Check out Jason Ellis youtube channel.  He has some videos about him learning to fly and maybe the largest collection of posted videos covering his build of an RV-10.
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 03:49:20 PM »
The only thing I really haven't done is take a flight in a bush plane which hopefully will be remedied soon, I got some guys wanting to play on the river by my house now that it's super low and land in my hayfield now that hay season is done. 

One has a Husky, not sure the other guys.  Maybe I'll entice them with a big stack of BBQ ribs  :chuckle:


I've been in multiple Cessna's and twin engine planes, I've been shotgun in a twin engine Cessna crab walking in with strong cross winds in Denali AK 
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 06:42:29 PM »
You might want to first get your license figured out. The sports license only allows daytime flying and 1 passenger.
Learn to fly before you build :)

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2017, 08:00:39 PM »
why?

If I build first I don't have to rent a plane, and my son will be a cfi
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2017, 08:58:23 PM »
sounds like loads of fun  :tup:
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2017, 12:33:48 AM »
Remember John Denver? :bdid:

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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2017, 07:34:18 AM »
Remember John Denver? :bdid:

Tragic accident, but he was flying a plane were the builder had made a dangerous deviation from the original design, he knew about the trouble he would have with switching fuel tanks and that his tanks weren't full and he chose not to refuel, and he barely had any transition training so really he was unfamiliar with the aircraft.  Part of being a pilot is identifying risk, assessing them, avoidance or mitigation or acceptance based on the risk and his choices seem to be the opposite of that.
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Re: Anyone build kitplanes?
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2017, 11:12:51 AM »
 :yeah:  Totally pilot error.

 

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