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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 10:17:20 AM »
Yeah, it would have been impossible to predict this. :rolleyes:

What do you do when you catch them?  I certainly don't like to eat genetic mutant garbage fed fish.  Maybe crab bait would be the best option.

Where are the "conservation" groups that sue over every hatchery?  It won't be long until some of these genes make their way into wild runs - or outcompete them.

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 10:26:07 AM »
What blows me away is that you cant even import a butterfly into this state if it isn't native here. 
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 10:27:09 AM »
Did anyone catch the fact that you need a fishing license to catch these Atlantic Salmon - but the WDFW really wants us to help.
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 10:29:45 AM »
Did anyone catch the fact that you need a fishing license to catch these Atlantic Salmon - but the WDFW really wants us to help.
It's not like hunting where you can target something and know exactly what you'll reel in. You may want to catch an atlantic salmon but end up catching a chinook.

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 10:32:37 AM »
Did anyone catch the fact that you need a fishing license to catch these Atlantic Salmon - but the WDFW really wants us to help.
It's not like hunting where you can target something and know exactly what you'll reel in. You may want to catch an atlantic salmon but end up catching a chinook.

Understand, just the fact that they want us to help but we need to pay for it.  I'll leave it at that to avoid a thread jack. :tup:
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 10:54:15 AM »
Yeah, it would have been impossible to predict this. :rolleyes:

What do you do when you catch them?  I certainly don't like to eat genetic mutant garbage fed fish.  Maybe crab bait would be the best option.

Where are the "conservation" groups that sue over every hatchery?  It won't be long until some of these genes make their way into wild runs - or outcompete them.
The diseases are the bigger issue.  Entire runs of pacific salmon have been destroyed in BC, Canada due to the net pens.  The Canadian government has court orders silencing and preventing scientists from saying/doing anything negative in regards to the farm fish.

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 10:59:53 AM »
Yeah, it would have been impossible to predict this. :rolleyes:

What do you do when you catch them?  I certainly don't like to eat genetic mutant garbage fed fish.  Maybe crab bait would be the best option.

Where are the "conservation" groups that sue over every hatchery?  It won't be long until some of these genes make their way into wild runs - or outcompete them.
The diseases are the bigger issue.  Entire runs of pacific salmon have been destroyed in BC, Canada due to the net pens.  The Canadian government has court orders silencing and preventing scientists from saying/doing anything negative in regards to the farm fish.

This. Also, these fish are all sterile I believe, effectively Triploids. They won't spawn, but they will run up the rivers and compete with our local species for food. I caught a couple last time this happened. Talk about an aggressive, hard fighting fish.
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 11:11:38 AM »
Anybody fish the escaped fish in 1997 off Bainbridge have tips for how to target them? It would be good to get them out of the Sound as soon as possible.
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 11:16:56 AM »
Did anyone catch the fact that you need a fishing license to catch these Atlantic Salmon - but the WDFW really wants us to help.
It's not like hunting where you can target something and know exactly what you'll reel in. You may want to catch an atlantic salmon but end up catching a chinook.

Understand, just the fact that they want us to help but we need to pay for it.  I'll leave it at that to avoid a thread jack. :tup:

Seems fairly typical with the other problems that hunters pay to help WDFW with, spring bear, second doe tags, etc.

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 12:15:18 PM »
Did anyone catch the fact that you need a fishing license to catch these Atlantic Salmon - but the WDFW really wants us to help.
It's not like hunting where you can target something and know exactly what you'll reel in. You may want to catch an atlantic salmon but end up catching a chinook.

And that's when you let the Chinook go because you don't have the correct permits.  Not to hard to figure out what to do.  BT, are you saying people would do something illegal if confronted with that situation?  ;)
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2017, 12:55:18 PM »
Did anyone catch the fact that you need a fishing license to catch these Atlantic Salmon - but the WDFW really wants us to help.
It's not like hunting where you can target something and know exactly what you'll reel in. You may want to catch an atlantic salmon but end up catching a chinook.

And that's when you let the Chinook go because you don't have the correct permits.  Not to hard to figure out what to do.  BT, are you saying people would do something illegal if confronted with that situation?  ;)

Is it at all legal to fish for salmon in the sound without a license?
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 12:58:58 PM »
Did anyone catch the fact that you need a fishing license to catch these Atlantic Salmon - but the WDFW really wants us to help.
It's not like hunting where you can target something and know exactly what you'll reel in. You may want to catch an atlantic salmon but end up catching a chinook.

And that's when you let the Chinook go because you don't have the correct permits.  Not to hard to figure out what to do.  BT, are you saying people would do something illegal if confronted with that situation?  ;)

Is it at all legal to fish for salmon in the sound without a license?

You need a hunting license to hunt Eurasian Collared Doves.  Seems this is the same thing. 

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2017, 01:04:44 PM »
Hunting you can make the argument about hunter safety/ed, but giving an invasive species license with a major discount.

I'd guess they want licenses for fishing so the bios can do their extrapolation and mortality estimates on Chinook/coho that are 'bycatch'.

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2017, 01:57:59 PM »
Take some kids, no license required provided you aren't targeting something that requires a catch card.

Catch a few, put them in a flate rate box and send them to whoever approved that thing.

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2017, 02:21:42 PM »
Yeah, it would have been impossible to predict this. :rolleyes:

What do you do when you catch them?  I certainly don't like to eat genetic mutant garbage fed fish.  Maybe crab bait would be the best option.

Where are the "conservation" groups that sue over every hatchery?  It won't be long until some of these genes make their way into wild runs - or outcompete them.
The diseases are the bigger issue.  Entire runs of pacific salmon have been destroyed in BC, Canada due to the net pens.  The Canadian government has court orders silencing and preventing scientists from saying/doing anything negative in regards to the farm fish.

Spot on.  The local anglers including sport and business up in B.C. despise those open pens and are very vocal about it.
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2017, 02:27:48 PM »
Can someone tell me why it is still OK to farm raise Atlantic salmon in net pens all the while it is against the law to farm raise deer and elk? 

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2017, 04:29:27 PM »
Here's the WDFW release just out:

August 22, 2017
Contact: Michelle Dunlop, (360) 902-2255
WDFW encourages anglers to fish for escaped Atlantic salmon
OLYMPIA State salmon managers are encouraging anglers to fish for thousands of Atlantic salmon that escaped recently from a salmon farm near the San Juan Islands.
Cooke Aquaculture notified the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) of a net pen failure on Aug. 19 that caused the release of Atlantic salmon from the Cypress Island location. About 305,000 salmon were in the net pen at the time, though the company initially estimated that only 4,000-5,000 fish have escaped. Cypress Island lies along Rosario Strait between Guemes and Blakely islands
"Our first concern, of course, is to protect native fish species," said Ron Warren, head of WDFW's Fish Program. "So we'd like to see as many of these escaped fish caught as possible."
Warren said there is no evidence that these fish pose a threat to native fish populations, either through disease or crossbreeding with Pacific salmon. To date, there is no record of Atlantic salmon successfully reproducing with Pacific salmon in Washington's waters, he said.
"It will be some time before we know how many fish escaped the net pens," Warren said. "That's why we've authorized Cooke Aquaculture to fish with beach seine nets and we're encouraging anglers to go out and harvest these fish."
The escaped fish are estimated to be eight to 10 pounds in size and are safe to eat.
There is no size or catch limit on Atlantic salmon. However, anglers may only fish for Atlantic salmon in marine waters that are already open to fishing for Pacific salmon or freshwater areas open for trout fishing. Anglers also must stop fishing for Atlantic salmon once they've caught their daily limit of Pacific salmon.
To help anglers identify Atlantic salmon, WDFW has posted a salmon identification guide on its webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/salmon/atlantic.html
Anglers must have a current fishing license and must also observe gear regulations identified in the 2017-18 sport fishing rules pamphlet. Anglers do not have to report Atlantic salmon on their catch record cards.
WDFW shares management authority with the state Department of Agriculture for monitoring fish diseases. Other state departments, local governments and tribal governments have authority related to the siting of marine aquaculture and water quality.
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2017, 04:31:04 PM »
It will give the tribes some excitement when they find their nets plugged.   :chuckle:
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2017, 04:41:59 PM »
We caught a bunch of them the last time this happened and they were a blast to catch. My grandparents have a house on Miller Bay just around the corner from Bainbridge and they were stacked up thick in the bay around all the docks. We ate them and I couldnt tell a differnce really between them and a wild salmon and Im still alive to tell about it lol

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2017, 04:47:32 PM »
Can someone tell me why it is still OK to farm raise Atlantic salmon in net pens all the while it is against the law to farm raise deer and elk?
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2017, 05:19:50 PM »
Yeah, it would have been impossible to predict this. :rolleyes:

What do you do when you catch them?  I certainly don't like to eat genetic mutant garbage fed fish.  Maybe crab bait would be the best option.

Where are the "conservation" groups that sue over every hatchery?  It won't be long until some of these genes make their way into wild runs - or outcompete them.
The diseases are the bigger issue.  Entire runs of pacific salmon have been destroyed in BC, Canada due to the net pens.  The Canadian government has court orders silencing and preventing scientists from saying/doing anything negative in regards to the farm fish.

This. Also, these fish are all sterile I believe, effectively Triploids. They won't spawn, but they will run up the rivers and compete with our local species for food. I caught a couple last time this happened. Talk about an aggressive, hard fighting fish.

They were sterile fish in the case of the Bainbridge pens but WDFW isn't saying that about these fish.  It seems to me they would say that if they were and wouldn't be making such a big deal about getting these fish out of the water.  Me thinks they are worried that either they can breed with native fish or that disease could be an issue.  My bet is on the disease issue since breeding between Pacific salmon and Atlantic has not proven fruitful before.
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2017, 05:32:18 PM »
We caught a bunch of them the last time this happened and they were a blast to catch. My grandparents have a house on Miller Bay just around the corner from Bainbridge and they were stacked up thick in the bay around all the docks. We ate them and I couldnt tell a differnce really between them and a wild salmon and Im still alive to tell about it lol

How'd you fish for them?  I have never heard much about sport fishing for Atlantic salmon in the salt.

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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2017, 06:45:52 PM »
They have a milder flavor compared to Coho, Chinook, Sockeye. And they are a paler pink. When you see them in stores read the package ingredients, they add color to the meat to make it more appealing looking. They smoke up just fine though. Use small spoons or noise makers like a Blue Fox.
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Re: 300000+ Atlantic salmon released after pen break
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2017, 07:17:35 PM »
I wish they would outcompete all native salmon and infest every river in this state to the point of being a nuisance. Unrestricted fishing and no more politics of saving ESA stocks. God, let them spawn!

 

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