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Everything about tires
« on: August 24, 2017, 10:07:10 PM »
Every year there are numious threads about picking tires.  Which are the best kind and why.  I've decided to tackle this issue over a series of posts as a reference for my fellow sportsmen. Tires are application specific so it always bothers me when people ask for help but don't give any of the pertinent information. So here is a list.
Vehicle make model, tire size,  use of the vehicle, % on/off-road, load especially for trucks, desired compromise (tire life, traction, cost)

I think one of the biggest decisions is whether to go all terrain or mud terrain. This is an informative slightly funny video from an Austrailian perspective.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 05:37:07 AM »
I will give dated information, but I had a 1997 F150 and a 2001 f150.

My favorite tire is the Fierce Attitude MT by goodyear.

275/70/18. load range E
Primary driver, so it had 20k miles per year on pavement, 20% gravel/off road,  no real heavy loads, these cost less than most mud tires, snow and winter traction, and tire life was very good. Sold both pickups with high miles on the tires.  1997 sold with 46k miles and 30% tread left, and the 2001 with 50k miles with 25% tread life.  I carry a tread depth gauge in my truck and check them at least every other tire rotation.

My compromise is noise in favor of traction when needed.  these were a little harder rubber compound in the snow than I would prefer, but they cleaned really well in the deep snow, just wish they had more factory siping.  My favorite tire and wish they made them in more tire sizes

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 05:40:58 AM »
Cooper AT3
I put these tires on a 2003 explorer. The explorer gets 8-10k miles per year, and is generally the rig we take to the ski hill about 75% of the time for 25-35 ski days per year.

It gets about 5% gravel, but lots of snow.
245/70/17

I have been very happy with the winter traction, tire life mileage.  We are over 55k miles and going to buy new ones in the next 60 days.  These are a front runner for replacement but looking at other options to see what cost looks like this time around.   selling the explorer before too long and don't feel like putting $1000 worth of tires on it just to sell it in 5000 miles.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 06:06:32 AM »
I am participating in this thread as I want to see about what people put on their 3/4 ton and 1 ton for mud tires.  I am currently looking at replacing the stock Michelin's on the F350 with some mud tires in 295/65/20.  currently looking at the Cooper STT Pro, but also considering a few other options.

Haul 11,000 lb 5th wheel about 1000 miles per year, otherwise it is lighter loads and 2000-3000 miles per year on gravel.  Lots of snow depending on the winter and opportunities to ski

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 06:44:42 AM »
I'm looking at BFG all terrains now. Are they noisy on the road?
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 06:56:41 AM »
I put the new design KO2 on my 2500 hd chevy I tow a ton of weight less than 10,000 miles on them and they had tread separation went back to discount tire and they gave me 75% of my money back got the goodyear Wrangler Duratrac
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2017, 11:45:10 AM »
I'm personally not brand loyal and have ran all matter of new And used tires, but I have spares 99% of the time. Im personally a big fan of some kind of all terrain  and link chains in the truck, but i settle for cable chains on my 2wd pavement pounder.

Some of this is covered in the video but...
The larger the voids between the lugs the greater the traction off road. Additionally the more horizontal/across the tire the more traction think TSL Boggers. The more traction you achieve the less wear more noise. Most people look for the sweet spot for their daily driver.  My favorite mud and snow tire Was the old BFG design. I dont have any real prefference now.  The more open the void between the shoulder lugs the louder the tires. I have seen some cool AT designs where the shoulder was fairly closed but there were large voids in the center of the tire. Kind of an attempt at best of  both world's, which is a compromise.

They say the average person only drives 12k miles a year. Freeway miles are easier on your tires than around town. More twisting turning, and scuffing.  I have almost always had 2 sets of tires and wheels for my hunting/commuter. A set of all seasons and a set of mud tires for when I know I'm going to be pressing the limits. I currently  have more than 3 sets for my cherokee that are 33" all of which were purchased on wheels used off CL.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2017, 12:09:37 PM »
Lots of people have no clue if a set of tires and wheels will fit a given 4x4.  This site is a great reference tool when searching out used stuff on wheels. It covers how to measure potential wheels. A tape measure or cheep plastic harbor freight caliper for $3 is a good investment.
http://www.crawlpedia.com/bolt_patterns.htm
It covers vehicles up to 2008.

The current trend in tires and wheels is a larger rim diameter to accommodate larger brakes. Really important when we are talking about trucks hauling trailers. The worst rim size to currently have on a 4x4 is an 18" tire. There are not many offerings, and they are expensive. The best way to find out what rim/tire size will fit is to look at the spare.  New vehicles with aluminium wheels most often have a steel spare that is equal in dimensions but a different size. This tire wheel combo will be your cheapest option.
16,17,20" seem to be the most common sizes now for trucks will plenty of options.
16&17"Will be the cheapest because they are the most common.




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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2017, 12:23:39 PM »
What I want is a reasonably priced set for my Cherokee that can handle those damn rocks they are using on gravel roads now. Tired of changing flats, but cannot see spending $1000 for tires on a $750 jeep.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2017, 12:25:35 PM »
I often hear questions like. Is X tire loud? Or does it have good traction?  The problem is no one states what they want it compared to.  Is a mud tire noisier than an All Terrain? Almost with out exception yes. 

Here are some things that effect every tires noise, wear, & traction. 

Air pressure plays a huge role in all of these factors.  Unfortunately it is one of those things that you have to play with because manufactures won't give you a guide due to liability. They do for heavy equiptment.

Many wheeler know that if you air down your tires you get a lot more traction. This is great for slow speeds but once you hop back on the road it can be a cause for disaster.  If you run the tire at its maximum psi it will have the most load capacity at speed, but it will  have a lot less traction and will wear down the middle if you drive around a bunch unloaded.

A tires width changes handling a bunch. Usually the wider the tire the less wandering on the road, more traction off road, flotation, and stability. The down side is they don't get as good fuel mileage or wear generally.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2017, 12:36:41 PM »
Fortunately you have lots of options to find used rubber and a very common bolt pattern. Wheels that fit Ford rangers also fit most Cherokees.

Shot rock on many western logging roads is one of the hardest surfaces on a tire. Lots of sharp rocks.  Deep rubber is the main thing that protects a tire in this case.  People will get a lot more flats by several fold on the last 30%of their tread as opposed to the first 30%.  Additionally  max air pressure is bad on logging roads because it doesn't allow your tire to flex over sharp rocks.

For example most logging truck tires  are made to be run at 110-120psi. I know of a few loggers that run them less than 90psi so that they Don get flats as often.  This works best with short runs down the road where heavy loads and long distances at 60mph arnt happening.

Always have a spare!  In my cherokee I have a harbor freight air compressor, spare tire jack etc, and a plug kit. Pretty cheep insurance when off in the woods.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2017, 12:42:08 PM »
KNOPHISH I run BFGoodrich all terrains on my Chevy 2500HD, and they're quiet tires. Before this pickup, I ran them on my F150, and they were quiet on that rig, too.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2017, 10:47:04 AM »
When my brother was Mountain Logging the company he worked for used 2 different tires. The Toyo M55 & the Cooper STT.

The Toyo is more of a all terrain/commercial truck design that has been around a long time and is a favorite amongst loggers for some time.  I have seen several variations of this tread type and what i would run on a  truck. My brother said he loved running this tire on his service truck and thought it was the better of the 2 tires.

The Cooper STT is a Mud Terrain tire. They transitioned to this tire when several other loggers they knew tried them out. He said they performed really well.

I have not run either of these tires personally, but bring them up because they are favorites of people I know who do more off road shot rock driving than 99% of those on here.  The consensus  from the guys at my brother company was that the M55 was a better tire. That said they wernt able to over come the big price difference of the STT tires.  I'm pretty sure their fleet of crew busses mostly ran 235/85r16. Which were the standard 3/4to one ton tire size for many years.  I'm certain one of the big advantages for them was the fact they could order the Coppers online, and they had the ability to change them themselves. I'm not sure about the current market prices on these tires.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2017, 04:18:15 PM »
Special T - that was my experience as well with the M55.  I know lots of folks that still run them in the woods for work and pleasure.  I am looking at $336 a tire for Cooper STT Pro and also considering the Nitto Ridge Grappler, their new tire.  $352 and is their newest attempt at bridging the gap between all terrain and mud terrain.  295/65/20 is the size.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2017, 04:33:27 PM »
I'm looking at BFG all terrains now. Are they noisy on the road?

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2017, 05:57:46 PM »
I love the Cooper STTs'. Had at least 4 sets on 3 different vehicles. Hoping to get the STT Pro's pretty soon. From my own research I've found walmart the cheapest for them at store pickup. :tup:
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2017, 07:05:29 PM »
My brother in law probably spends close to half of his time on gravel roads in eastern wa. He was a big fan of BFG all terrains but ended up with a set of general Grabbers and loves them. They are big lugs that are tapered like a pyramid. Lots of traction when new, and seem to last forever for the last 30%. Probably the only tire that has decent puncture resistance in the last 30%of tread but traction isn't that hot.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2017, 12:32:42 PM »
I want to add that this thread isnt about the best brand to buy. It is about how to buy a tire that fits your needs best. Even the gold standard of logging crew busses the M55 will have impact breaks at a lower tread.  DEEP rubber is your best protection and AIR PRESSURE! TIRES with a higher load/ply rating than the proposed use and weight tend to last longer due to the ability to air up/down according to terrain needs.

I think it's great sharing your experiences on here on this subject.

Another tire that worked really well on shot rock were the surplus military Humvee Tires. My brother and several friends ran them on their personal trucks and got great wear and traction out of them for a "work truck". 16.5 wheels are hard to find and so are the tires at 37" tall they don't fit a lot of peoples needs but they do look damned good on a high boy ford!
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2017, 01:26:31 PM »
Some people run with out a full sized spare.  (for lifted rigs) Many folks have never busted out the OEM lift and lug nut wrench to check them out. This is a mistake.  On my dodge one ton it is not physically possible to break the lug nuts loose with the wrench.the tourqe specs are pretty high and the stock wrenches are horrible. I have used stock ones on past rigs like my Cherokee Subaru, and S10... even on my cousins half ton... with his Passenger rated tires...

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2017, 02:05:04 PM »
Cheap insurance against flats are a plug kit. You can buy them at nearly any auto supply place, Wal-Mart, or harbor freight. They come with 2 tools. A reamer and an applicator. My neighbor came over with a nail in his rider mower tire. Pulled the nail gave a couple of strokes with the greener and pushed in the sticky roap. These work best in the tread of a tire. If you catch your tire hissing quickly enough some times you can throw the plug in before you loose too much air pressure. If it's in the tread you can likely run it for quite a while, however if you run into town a reinforced patch won the inside will make it last longer.

I have not used these in a side wall of a tire myself but have several buddies whom have.  No tire shop will patch a tire with a sidewall hole so it's best to leave it on the rim as a spare unless you trim it up and do a repair your self, and remount it as an emergency spare. (I'll try and find a you tube video later)  I have a full size spare that I patched up for my wheeler.

I normally push as much of the rope as I can into the tire leaving about an inch of tail on the outside of the tire. The air pressure will try and push the rope out, and the tail will get smashed.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2017, 02:20:23 PM »
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2017, 02:23:04 PM »
Cheap insurance against flats are a plug kit. You can buy them at nearly any auto supply place, Wal-Mart, or harbor freight. They come with 2 tools. A reamer and an applicator. My neighbor came over with a nail in his rider mower tire. Pulled the nail gave a couple of strokes with the greener and pushed in the sticky roap. These work best in the tread of a tire. If you catch your tire hissing quickly enough some times you can throw the plug in before you loose too much air pressure. If it's in the tread you can likely run it for quite a while, however if you run into town a reinforced patch won the inside will make it last longer.

I have not used these in a side wall of a tire myself but have several buddies whom have.  No tire shop will patch a tire with a sidewall hole so it's best to leave it on the rim as a spare unless you trim it up and do a repair your self, and remount it as an emergency spare. (I'll try and find a you tube video later)  I have a full size spare that I patched up for my wheeler.

I normally push as much of the rope as I can into the tire leaving about an inch of tail on the outside of the tire. The air pressure will try and push the rope out, and the tail will get smashed.

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I have one kit in every vehicle.   Once you've had enough flats, carrying a plug kit and a small 12v air compressor is almost a requirement.  Beats the hell out of walking miles down a dirt road looking for help. 

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2017, 02:45:26 PM »
I wouldn't want to use it all the time but harbor freight has a $10 &$35 12v air pump
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2017, 03:53:28 PM »
I really liked the M55's on my truck, really good in snow, mud gravel. BUT when they got worn they were bad on wet pavement or compact snow ice. I think because they are so hard.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2017, 09:13:03 PM »
It's of edges are necessary for good traction on wet pavement, compact snow and ice. Many off-road tires have small relief cuts in the big blocks of tread that disappear after 50% or so. Some people are a fan of syping  for this reason. Issue is you want the cuts for enough to last but too deep they will chip off in rock.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2017, 02:55:40 PM »
I'll play along.   I pull an older (1962) travel trailer, dry weight 4,4xx.  By the time I add water supplies, etc., close to 6k.  I also pull a 4x12' utility that I run no more than 2k, if possible.

My first Suburban (95) needed tires when I bought it.  I put a Finnish tire on it from Nokian.  I think it was called Vulcan.  I loved the Finnish tire, but they stopped making it about 6 years ago.  Anyway, I only know tires tires by standard sizes.  285.75r16E was the size.  I got nearly 80k on the set before I had to replace.  Great wear for a 4x4 that spent most of its time on concrete and asphalt.  Not too aggressive in terms of tread, but great traction in snow and mud, with excellent clean out.  I spent a lot of time in the Umtanum and Manastash with that rig.  I've only hunted modern fire, so often snow, mud, etc. 

I moved those tires from one Suburban to another Suburban (00) when I blew my tranny near Moses Lake on my way to a funeral in CO.  I was pulling my TT at the time.  The new Suburban took to them great.  Smooth ride, no wiggle with the trailer and distributed weight great.  They were quiet until the last 10k in miles and then got pretty loud on concrete, but were still okay on asphalt (loud, but tolerable). 

Since I could not get the Nokian Vulcan again, I switched to Goodyear Duratrac 275.75r16E.  I loved their look, feel and grip, but they were very noisy as the traction of the tire wore down.  Both of tire brands and types held the trailers well and performed great in mountain, off road, mud, sand, dirt, gravel, rain, and snow.  Unfortunately, I sold my Suburban and I still had over 50% tread on the Duratracs, but they wouldn't fit my pickup.

That said, I also have an F-150 4x4, 2000.  I had BF all season 275.75r17C on it.  Squirrely at times.  I bought it with those and they wore well, but I want an E range and more tree.  I just put on 275.70r17E KO2 BF Goodrich on.  I bought them in Bozeman when dropping off the daughter at MSU.  So far, great tires.  I'm curious what @whackmaster ran into, as I want to see if that happens with mine.  Anyway, great weight handling, so far.  No side to side shifting when pulling, not very loud, but noticeable.  I've only got 4K of miles on them, but no noticeable issues.  I am taking the truck in for new torsion bars up front and alignment.  I know it's needed.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2017, 04:04:24 PM »
Does anyone run cooper discoverer at 3's on their rigs? I have them on the work rig and I like them, but am curious to how many miles people have put on theirs.

Currently have cheaper Schwab at''s on my Toyota that need replaced when I am laid off for the season and am thinking leaning towards the at 3.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2017, 05:02:10 PM »
First off I'm a HUGE Nokian Fan! I had a set of Hakkapeleta snow tires for my Bratt with hardend core studs from the factory and was able to get them before the anti stud Nazis  made them illegal.

Wander side inside can happen for 2 reasons. Tire load rating differences... and ruts in the freeway. The I5 section in Marrysville had really bad ruts. Narrow aggressive tires accentuated this.. I have a buddy that works for a tire shop that constantly has people complaining about handling but fail to take into account the actual surface they are driving on.

You went from BFG all terrains to mud tires  so they should be louder...
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2017, 06:28:09 PM »
TIRE FINDING CHALLENGE:      I need 1 Falken Wildpeak AT2.

SIZE:   285 75 16

It has to be an AT2.   The AT3 is nothing like the AT2.

They aren't being made anymore.

I will readily admit that anyone who can locate one is a better man than me, and I will buy you a cheeseburger!



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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2017, 07:52:24 PM »
TIRE FINDING CHALLENGE:      I need 1 Falken Wildpeak AT2.

Just buy 2 new at3 and call it close with a spare... your on a snipe hunt.
SIZE:   285 75 16

It has to be an AT2.   The AT3 is nothing like the AT2.

They aren't being made anymore.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2017, 08:27:07 PM »
TIRE FINDING CHALLENGE:      I need 1 Falken Wildpeak AT2.

SIZE:   285 75 16

It has to be an AT2.   The AT3 is nothing like the AT2.

They aren't being made anymore.

I will readily admit that anyone who can locate one is a better man than me, and I will buy you a cheeseburger!

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2017, 09:01:22 PM »
Does anyone run cooper discoverer at 3's on their rigs? I have them on the work rig and I like them, but am curious to how many miles people have put on theirs.

Currently have cheaper Schwab at''s on my Toyota that need replaced when I am laid off for the season and am thinking leaning towards the at 3.

I'm on the second set of AT 3s on my 2500 HD Duramax and I love them. I got 53K miles on the last set with a pretty good mix of hauling, freeway and logging road use. They're not the best tire I've used in the snow but they do pretty well. I had a set on my 1/2 ton Silverado too that I go right about 50K miles out of before replacing them.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2017, 09:24:24 PM »
TIRE FINDING CHALLENGE:      I need 1 Falken Wildpeak AT2.

SIZE:   285 75 16

It has to be an AT2.   The AT3 is nothing like the AT2.

They aren't being made anymore.

I will readily admit that anyone who can locate one is a better man than me, and I will buy you a cheeseburger!

You've been stump broke, duh everyone knows thus.  :yike:


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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2017, 11:56:56 PM »
TIRE FINDING CHALLENGE:      I need 1 Falken Wildpeak AT2.

SIZE:   285 75 16

It has to be an AT2.   The AT3 is nothing like the AT2.

They aren't being made anymore.

I will readily admit that anyone who can locate one is a better man than me, and I will buy you a cheeseburger!

You've been stump broke, duh everyone knows thus.  :yike:


Somebody???


Anybody......?????/

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https://simpletire.com/falken-lt285-75r16-28466611-tires

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 12:33:49 PM »
Does anyone run cooper discoverer at 3's on their rigs? I have them on the work rig and I like them, but am curious to how many miles people have put on theirs.

Currently have cheaper Schwab at''s on my Toyota that need replaced when I am laid off for the season and am thinking leaning towards the at 3.

I'm on the second set of AT 3s on my 2500 HD Duramax and I love them. I got 53K miles on the last set with a pretty good mix of hauling, freeway and logging road use. They're not the best tire I've used in the snow but they do pretty well. I had a set on my 1/2 ton Silverado too that I go right about 50K miles out of before replacing them.

Thanks for the review. Not worried about snow as I plan on buying another rig and this truck will be sitting during ski season.
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 02:39:41 PM »
I just ordered the second set of AT3 for the explorer, putting those on in October.  First set has roughly 60k miles

I am putting on a set of Cooper STT Pro on the pickup tomorrow.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2017, 04:11:43 PM »
@smdave

I think you are my hero.   

I saw this too late to get thru to them, but it sure looks like they have what I need!!!!

(I have 3 at 95 percent and I trashed one)
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2017, 07:53:34 PM »
Great trick to get a rock from between 2 dually tires.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2017, 06:26:25 PM »
This is a pretty good fyi mounting video with common tools found in your shop. Small tire bars can be had reasonably priced  at places like harbor freight. The one issue I would point out using a standard pry bar like he uses is the sharp corners make the process harder on the bead. If you were in a pinch those tools worked but I would either buy the flat tire bars or grind the corners off the bar and sand them smooth to prevent bead ripping. All the bars at a tire shop are rounded for a reason.


Also not I e the TPMS sensor is the location where the tire finishes slipping on the wheel to prevent binding or damage to the sensors.

When I mount or demount my 4x4 or trailer tires I normally use hot slightly diluted dish soap. I do like the spray bottle but haven't done it that way.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2017, 12:08:12 AM »
TIRE FINDING CHALLENGE:      I need 1 Falken Wildpeak AT2.

SIZE:   285 75 16

It has to be an AT2.   The AT3 is nothing like the AT2.

They aren't being made anymore.

I will readily admit that anyone who can locate one is a better man than me, and I will buy you a cheeseburger!

You've been stump broke, duh everyone knows thus.  :yike:


Somebody???


Anybody......?????/

Says in stock

https://simpletire.com/falken-lt285-75r16-28466611-tires

@smdave   

I owe you a cheeseburger!

I had given up hope of finding a matching tire for my three good ones after trashing one while the others were 90+%.

I checked dozens of sites and searched and searched.    I even had a couple tire places search.

You sir, are the man!

The cheeseburger is yours whenever you're near Kent/Federal Way.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2017, 11:50:21 AM »
I figured I better say something about chains since its that time of year.

It's best to always test fit your chains in the driveway. I like to use a jack so that I can test fit the tightness. Marking the correct link with a paint pen or spray paint. This helps a bunch marking the inside link because as you drive you can adjust the tension some "easily" on the outside. Depending on how long the tail is I like to have some bailing wire or zip ties to keep everything from flopping around.  If you do a good job test fitting and marking rubber tensioners are less important but still good to use. On my 4x4 I just use a short truckers black rubber bungie.

On my work truck 1 ton dually 2wd I just carry cable chains since I'm just going over the pass and such.

Since most of us are off I. The mountains off-road I recommend the burliest chain you can get they last a long time and often times your putting them on AFTER you should have already done so.

I'm a big fan of thick chain with ice breakers or cleats. I have used cut down semi truck chains for the 4x4 before with success... I just picked them up off the side of the pass and just cut and welded to fit... mostly these were just twist link ladder chains but the price was right.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2017, 12:52:25 PM »
I can't put chains on my 2016 Colorado  >:(
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2017, 01:32:28 PM »
I can't put chains on my 2016 Colorado  >:(
Just not on the front?

I am not a fan of these low profile 4x4 tires because of this. You can probably put chains on a 35"tire on a 20" rim but stock sizes arnt likely to work.

I don't see this as too big an issue for people that are just driving country roads but a pretty big deal for those with ice and mountains.

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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2017, 08:21:53 PM »
I just replaced my first set of BFG AT KO's, on my 2013 allwheel drive van.68,000 miles.
great performance in mud and snow. I have firestone Mt's great tires, but when they are
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Re: Everything about tires
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2017, 08:56:53 PM »
I had BFG TA's and liked them, they got a bit hard and greasy when they started getting old and worn out. I imagine most tires suck when they get old though.

Went to replace them with the same, but couldn't get the standard TA's and couldn't stomach the price of the new KO2's... I replaced them with Kumho Road Venture AT51 tires for about $100 less PER TIRE! I also looked at General AT2's but the Generals were out of stock.

So far pretty happy with the Kumho Road Venture AT51's. They're significantly quieter than the TA's. And I got to test them elk hunting this year. They got me out of a foot of snow and through some nasty mud in the blues last weekend. After that they got me over white pass with no issue (Snoqualmie pass was closed...). I've driven about 2,000 miles on them, I'd be hard pressed to go back to BFG's.

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