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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2017, 09:53:01 AM »
Sorry to hear. Adds a lot of stress for you and the guides.

 :chuckle: there's always some stress, the guides want to be successful, that's part of what makes it all so much fun too
I'd think all those misses would be stressful for the guides as well

The misses on big animals is the toughest thing of all. This year so far every big animal has walked.  :bash:

Right now one guide has the father and son set up watching an elk herd and deer, they made it in to the tough spot, they saw a 4x4 buck but didn't get a shot, they saw a 2 point bull but he didn't offer a good shot then got in the brush, there's also a 6x6 bull in the brush, they are waiting for a shot right now at any of those animals all within shooting range if one will move in the open again.  :)

Also got a report from another guide, one of his hunters missed a large coyote or wolf a little while ago, both are open season here, they also saw a small buck this morning.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2017, 09:54:26 AM »
I'm glad you post this thread every year. I love reading about hunting from a guides perspective

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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2017, 09:54:48 AM »
VERY Exciting!!!!
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2017, 10:06:11 AM »
I'm glad you post this thread every year. I love reading about hunting from a guides perspective

I thought some people would like to hear a guides perspective so I write it sort of that way on purpose. The adventure and the ups and downs are addictive, it's definitely not for everyone, but is like drugs to the ones who enjoy it. I had one guide quit in the middle of a hunt a few days ago, I think he lost a loved one at home so I can't fault him for needing to leave. I had another guide drive down overnight from another hunt location to take his place, halfway here he blew a head gasket, I made a midnight drive to get him in time for the morning hunt, he is using one of my spare trucks. Brian my son went and got the broken down truck yesterday and hauled it back to Washington to have a trusted mechanic check it out. 4 wheel drive went out out on another truck, but we have to keep driving it for now until I find another truck to buy.

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We scaled back our Washington deer hunts last year to keep success rates high after the blue tongue die off a couple years ago. So far since the season opener last weekend the wife and her guides are running 100% kill. So the strategy is working well.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2017, 10:11:00 AM »
Every year we find animals that have been shot before. Sometimes we even get animals later in the season that our hunters have shot earlier in the season and they are usually mostly healed already. I am constantly amazed how well wounded animals heal. Yesterday I found a broadhead in the shoulder blade of a mule buck when boning him out, it was completely healed over and gristle had formed around the broadhead.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2017, 10:38:50 AM »
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2017, 01:36:39 PM »
Is it common for your hunters to have as many misses as this year?

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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #82 on: October 19, 2017, 06:27:43 AM »
Is it common for your hunters to have as many misses as this year?

We see a lot of misses most years, I think the biggest difference this year is that all the biggest animals have been missed so it seems worse. I thought about not mentioning the misses, but missing is part of hunting. When I first started hunting I would get buck fever so bad I couldn't hit anything. I missed deer for 3 years, I shot about a box of shells each year at bucks, finally on the 4th year I started controlling my excitement better and started hitting what I was shooting at and since then I've done better, so I definitely understand there will be misses in hunting for all sorts of reasons including the excitement that is involved, especially when large animals are seen.

I think the best way to reduce misses is to reduce variables. We try to shoot weapons before a hunt begins, if there is time. In my experience roughly half the weapons being carried by hunters are not properly sighted in, we see some that won't even hit paper at 50 yards. Sometimes this is due to buying an already scoped rifle and assuming the scope is sighted in, sometimes guns get bumped or dropped, and sometimes the mounts are not tight, sometimes it's a change in ammo. My advice is to shoot whatever weapon and ammo you are going to hunt with before you go hunting every year. It never hurts to make sure your gun is well sighted.

Shooting technique is another important aspect in hunting. A good portion of hunters do not possess good shooting technique and that multiplies the likelihood of missing when hunting. I try to help by advising techniques to improve shooting skills when I see the need. I think most hunters could improve their success rate greatly by learning better shooting techniques.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2017, 07:33:03 AM »
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Right now one guide has the father and son set up watching an elk herd and deer, they made it in to the tough spot, they saw a 4x4 buck but didn't get a shot, they saw a 2 point bull but he didn't offer a good shot then got in the brush, there's also a 6x6 bull in the brush, they are waiting for a shot right now at any of those animals all within shooting range if one will move in the open again.  :)

As the day progressed the bull began bugling again, eventually the guide and hunter decided to carefully move in, they got to about 200 yards and saw the bull, two shots were taken but both were misses and the bull and cows ran off.

Yesterday was a fair day we got two more mule bucks in Idaho, one of them was a pretty good one, and they killed another whitetail buck in Washington.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #84 on: October 21, 2017, 03:52:27 AM »
Another day more stories...

In Washington we sacked up another whitetail buck completing the hunt for a group of four hunters. Another group of two has one buck and has missed a big buck so they are still hunting for their other deer in the morning, and a new group of 4 hunters begins hunting in the morning. We are still running 100% on our whitetail hunts in Washington this year!

In Utah I finally sold two of the cancelled hunts, those hunts will take place soon, I've still got three tags available which are good until Nov 10.

In Idaho two bull elk were missed, one bull called in to 150 yards but couldn't get a clear shot, two more bulls stalked to within close range in the brush but no good shot opportunity, two more bulls spotted that we are going after in the morning, one wolf seen but no shot opportunity, and a lady hunter showed up the guys in camp by dropping a nice mule buck the first morning of her hunt. Way to go Kris!  :IBCOOL:
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2017, 09:02:10 AM »
Always enjoy this thread....... :tup:
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2017, 10:59:49 AM »
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The new group, a family of 4 hunters already has two bucks for the adults and one doe this morning for one of the kids, just need another doe and they are tagged out. Another young hunter in camp is color blind and can't hardly see deer. Her dad has taken his buck and dad has seen two more bucks with the daughter but she has trouble seeing them due to color blindness. They are such nice people I really really hope she gets her deer. FINGERS Crossed!

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We have hunters in the area again where the wolf was seen yesterday. Some ranchers told us they got a couple wolves, I sure hope someone gets this other wolf, so far we don't have any known wolf packs in that game management unit and I'd like to see it stay that way. I texted a couple of my guides, there have been a few small bucks passed this morning and does seen, but no word yet on any bucks or bulls taken.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2017, 11:07:28 AM »
Every year we find animals that have been shot before. Sometimes we even get animals later in the season that our hunters have shot earlier in the season and they are usually mostly healed already. I am constantly amazed how well wounded animals heal. Yesterday I found a broadhead in the shoulder blade of a mule buck when boning him out, it was completely healed over and gristle had formed around the broadhead.

It's actually pretty amazing that it could heal.  I'd expect with the constant walking motion, the razor edge would continue to cut the skin, and not allow healing. Or, that there would be a big nasty infection set in. Wow!

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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #88 on: October 21, 2017, 11:48:06 AM »
Every year we find animals that have been shot before. Sometimes we even get animals later in the season that our hunters have shot earlier in the season and they are usually mostly healed already. I am constantly amazed how well wounded animals heal. Yesterday I found a broadhead in the shoulder blade of a mule buck when boning him out, it was completely healed over and gristle had formed around the broadhead.

It's actually pretty amazing that it could heal.  I'd expect with the constant walking motion, the razor edge would continue to cut the skin, and not allow healing. Or, that there would be a big nasty infection set in. Wow!

That's exactly what I used to think, but we've found quite a few broadheads in animals, lots of times in the shoulder blade, usually gristle is formed around them and the animal acts fine, usually we don't know the animal has been wounded until we are skinning and boning. This year we had a bow hunter who hit a 6x6 bull high on the shoulder blade, we looked that night and the next day but the bull didn't even bleed much, I told the hunter I expected the animal to heal up, it will be interesting to see if we get that bull in the future.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2017, 05:27:14 PM »
We've had some good shooters lately, they are stacking up the deer in Washington and we are doing better at killing the deer we shoot at in Idaho. One of the hunters almost had another bull this morning but couldn't get quite close enough for the shot. Just a few minutes ago Kris' husband Mike dropped this nice mule buck, congrats Mike!  :hello:
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2017, 12:45:44 PM »
Had an exciting hunt this morning, spotted critters at 900 yards, made a move on them, it's pretty open country, they spotted us at 650, I said "can you shoot at 650", he said I'm deadly at 400, I'll give it a try" so we settled in for the shot, I ranged 650 on the money, he paused breathing, kaboom goes the 338, reload shoot again, I think you were over him, kaboom, shoot again your still high or he would run, he lowered aim again, kaboom, you hit him, I seen him hunch up before he ran.

We waited 1 hour then headed over, we were getting close and I saw a magpie fly up, we walked another 20 yards and there he lay. Just got done gutting and found out it was a 650 yard heart shot. Last day of the hunt, I love it when a plan comes together.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2017, 02:43:15 PM »
Nice!
Beautiful day for it!!!
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2017, 10:11:30 PM »
He wasn't a big bull but we had a great hunt, we walked straight toward the elk in totally open ground for quite a few yards cutting it down to 650, when they finally spotted us Ron proved he definitely has the capacity for long range shooting. He had never shot past 450, but he said he could hold a real good group at 400 so I figured he could do it. When he set up for the shot he figured a little too high with the first two shots, but I watched his barrel and could tell he was rock solid and figured we could walk in the shots, the third shot put us in paydirt and was Ron's longest shot ever by about 200 yards.

I called Troy my wrangler and had him bring the mule, all the horses were out with guides and hunters and the experienced mule had an injury, so all we had was the less experienced mule "Clowie". I gutted and skinned one side of the elk while waiting for Troy to get there. Just as he walked up leading the mule, Clowie caught a good whiff of elk and spooked. Troy wasn't expecting it and Clowie headed back towards the trailer!  :(

Troy caught Clowie about halfway back to the trailer and brought her back, this time he tied her a ways off. I layed down a cloth Troy brought and finished piecing out the elk, we carefully introduced Clowie to elk, got her all loaded and we headed back to the trucks. Even though Ron has killed bigger bulls he is mounting this bull to remember the hunt that we had, the shot, and the young crowned antlers.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #93 on: October 28, 2017, 10:25:14 PM »
Guide Daniel filled out his last hunter with the first 4x4 buck they spotted, she wanted the first 4 pointer, another good shooter, this lady hunter "Cora" dropped him at long range with her .270 long range setup. (sorry I can't remember the exact yardage but it was a good shot)
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #94 on: October 29, 2017, 12:51:09 AM »
Randall traveled here from the midwest, he had never mule deer hunted. Dustin put him on two large bucks that he missed during the hunt and on the final day he connected with this fork horn. Congrats Randall!
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #95 on: November 04, 2017, 02:18:47 PM »
Ron Del Grosso, age 75 traveled to Idaho for his first mule deer, after dropping this buck he was unable to get up the mountain to it, but he was ecstatic when we brought it down to him. Congrats Ron!
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #96 on: November 04, 2017, 02:20:08 PM »
I was able to sneak out for a day of hunting for myself. He's not a big buck but he was the best I had spotted and it was 5pm, I figured he would do.
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #97 on: November 04, 2017, 02:35:08 PM »
Nice buck dale :tup:
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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #98 on: November 04, 2017, 02:37:48 PM »
Just curious if you make guides watch the clients shoot their guns at targets before you take them out hunting? Sounds like lots of missed opportunity from poor shooting. Not knocking you or the outfit but if I paid good money for a hunt Id be shooting like crazy to make sure it counted when it was go time.

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Re: Bearpaw Season - Fall 2017
« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2017, 05:29:14 PM »
Jon nailed a big Washington bear with us in September, he and his brother Carl came back out to Idaho for a November cow elk hunt. We went to a spot I expected to find elk, the wind was blasting strong gusts that pushed us all over the highway on the way to the hunt area. As dawn broke I glassed the hillsides for critters, but everything was bedded down out of sight trying to avoid the wind. I went to a little different area and we hiked out a ridge glassing as we moved from spot to spot, but nothing was moving. We headed back up the ridge to move over onto the next ridge and suddenly spotted 5 or 6 elk, They were roughly 200 yards, I didn't bother ranging, I was on them watching for a hit, Jon shot first and his cow dropped like a sack of potatoes, Carl pulled the trigger and click, misfire!

Reload, shoot again, Carl pulled the trigger again and it appeared he missed, and then the elk ran out of sight. We sat tight and watched for a few minutes, then we went over to Jon's elk and he finished it off. We joked around a bit with Carl, I asked him if Jon did his reloading, we snapped a few photos and I started to gut. Jon and Carl went to look for blood where Carl had shot. I told them if they couldn't find blood to walk all over and see if they could find the elk. They couldn't find any blood but after walking around Jon hollered "here she is" he had found her.

We had to take back some of the ribbing we had been dishing out to Carl, in fact he made a better shot than Jon, but the elk didn't show any sign of being hit and ran a ways before dropping. By now my knife was getting pretty dull, I had done a bull the last day of bull season, done my buck, and had done Jon's cow, it wasn't getting the job done very well on Carl's elk so Carl dug out a custom knife he wanted me to try, I used it for a few cuts but the edge disappeared quickly, so Jon dug out his knife. It was good and sharp and I was able to make good headway.

I was cutting down the backside of a rear leg and I didn't have quit a tight grip, my hand slipped a little on the knife handle and I cut my index finger pretty bad on the first part of the blade where it comes out of the handle, there was no hilt on the knife, I should have had a tighter grip. I was bleeding pretty good and Carl dug out the first aid kit, I had to lay down I started to get light headed, Carl taped a piece of gauze around the wound and I slipped on a new plastic glove the best I could. I finished Carl's elk, and we got them out. After getting back to camp I hung the elk pieces up and boned out my deer. It was too late for the DR office so I waited till the next day.

In the morning we cut the elk up a little more to get them into coolers and Jon and Carl headed home. I made sure Jon took the "killer knife" when he left, LOL. I went to the DR who told me I waited to long for stitches, so he cleaned it some more, bandaged it carefully, gave me a tetnus shot, and prescribed some antibiotics. He expects it to heal up ok and thankfully I didn't cut the main tendon. He told me to keep it dry and not to do any dish washing, oh darn it!
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