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Offline wolfbait

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #150 on: October 19, 2017, 12:13:21 PM »
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 Dude, love your passion but can you take your 6 year old videos and links and start your own thread, I'd like to stay on topic. :tup:


Kind of figure this is on topic, wolves on top of other predators is the reason for poor deer hunting etc.,  changing season etc. won't help the predation problem. Everyone seems to be looking for the solution through changed seasons, the links above explain what has/is happening to WA hunting. Some of us covered this quite extensively for several years right here on H-W.

 

Hunt while you can, because if predator control isn't implemented nothing will change the outcome. :twocents:

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #151 on: October 19, 2017, 12:31:13 PM »
I voted yes because bottom line, the Mule deer population is far more important to Me than the opportunity to hunt them.   :ACRY: 
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #152 on: October 19, 2017, 02:01:35 PM »
Maybe if we could get the chemtrails stopped over the north central cascades?  And maybe if anyone who was ever vaccinated was prevented from hunting?  I think that'd help.  Sorry can't help myself... ;)

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #153 on: October 19, 2017, 02:33:36 PM »
Just my 2 cents, late archery has a great impact on the mule deer heard. The deer are being chased around during the rut, exhausting them and interrupting mating, possibly killing a buck before it reproduces. I think the wildfires and mismanagement of Mule deer habitat hurts the population and whitetail have some effect.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #154 on: October 19, 2017, 06:32:27 PM »
But Washington isn't the only state with wolf predation on deer. I see guys talking about how great Idaho, Montana and Wyoming are for hunting mule deer and they all have wolves and grizzly. Certainly predation has an effect but if it's not a Washington specific issue it must be other things, like winter range.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #155 on: October 19, 2017, 06:41:21 PM »
I drive through Idaho to and from Montana two weeks ago and the local hunters said it was slow cause of the wolves. And they can shoot them. Also the 50,000 silver dollar stop just in Montana said the hunting is not the same cause of the wolves. So what does that say for those small areas who try to make money cause of the predators.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #156 on: October 19, 2017, 08:07:58 PM »
Just remembered the great idea the wdfw had 2 years ago when the chiliwist was burnt and they gave out 400 late doe tags.. That certainly didn't help. I drew the permit and got my points back when they contacted me to let me know there would be 400 rifle doe tags in my archery unit. 

So besides weather I honestly believe the biggest thing that impacts the deer is the lack of common sense management by our wdfw. If they would manage for wildlife instead $$ the deer would be better off.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #157 on: October 19, 2017, 08:45:02 PM »
But Washington isn't the only state with wolf predation on deer. I see guys talking about how great Idaho, Montana and Wyoming are for hunting mule deer and they all have wolves and grizzly. Certainly predation has an effect but if it's not a Washington specific issue it must be other things, like winter range.



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 Dude, love your passion but can you take your 6 year old videos and links and start your own thread, I'd like to stay on topic. :tup:


Kind of figure this is on topic, wolves on top of other predators is the reason for poor deer hunting etc.,  changing season etc. won't help the predation problem. Everyone seems to be looking for the solution through changed seasons, the links above explain what has/is happening to WA hunting. Some of us covered this quite extensively for several years right here on H-W.

 

Hunt while you can, because if predator control isn't implemented nothing will change the outcome. :twocents:


Like I have already mentioned, NO wolves in the Entiat.....but the herd is hurting.........Must be the invisible wolves SMH

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #158 on: October 19, 2017, 08:59:21 PM »
But Washington isn't the only state with wolf predation on deer. I see guys talking about how great Idaho, Montana and Wyoming are for hunting mule deer and they all have wolves and grizzly. Certainly predation has an effect but if it's not a Washington specific issue it must be other things, like winter range.



Try to convince this guy of that!!


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 Dude, love your passion but can you take your 6 year old videos and links and start your own thread, I'd like to stay on topic. :tup:


Kind of figure this is on topic, wolves on top of other predators is the reason for poor deer hunting etc.,  changing season etc. won't help the predation problem. Everyone seems to be looking for the solution through changed seasons, the links above explain what has/is happening to WA hunting. Some of us covered this quite extensively for several years right here on H-W.

 

Hunt while you can, because if predator control isn't implemented nothing will change the outcome. :twocents:


Like I have already mentioned, NO wolves in the Entiat.....but the herd is hurting.........Must be the invisible wolves SMH


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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #159 on: October 19, 2017, 09:04:52 PM »
But Washington isn't the only state with wolf predation on deer. I see guys talking about how great Idaho, Montana and Wyoming are for hunting mule deer and they all have wolves and grizzly. Certainly predation has an effect but if it's not a Washington specific issue it must be other things, like winter range.



Try to convince this guy of that!!


Yellowstone is Dead Theatrical Trailer

 Dude, love your passion but can you take your 6 year old videos and links and start your own thread, I'd like to stay on topic. :tup:


Kind of figure this is on topic, wolves on top of other predators is the reason for poor deer hunting etc.,  changing season etc. won't help the predation problem. Everyone seems to be looking for the solution through changed seasons, the links above explain what has/is happening to WA hunting. Some of us covered this quite extensively for several years right here on H-W.

 

Hunt while you can, because if predator control isn't implemented nothing will change the outcome. :twocents:


Like I have already mentioned, NO wolves in the Entiat.....but the herd is hurting.........Must be the invisible wolves SMH
I don'y know if wolves are the problem there but I'll bet the lions do quite a bit of damage. I spent 2 weeks in GMU 245 this year and I saw a lot of does with a single fawn. My first thought was coyotes. Sure young does sometimes only have one fawn, but all of them? I saw one doe with 2 fawns over 16 days. Of the 7 bucks I saw, 5 were spikes, one fork horn, and one legal buck. I'm no biologist so I could be wrong. Basically the way I see it, in addition to environmental factors beyond our control,  one predator or another has to give the deer a break. Humans being the only ones we can give a rule book to might seem like the easiest solution. Personally I plan to put away the mouth calls and buy a good electronic call to see what I can do in the areas I enjoy. I can't do anything about wolves and there's no use yelling about it now. We can kill coyotes all winter and try to knock down a few bears and lions. Be nice if they opened up spring bear to a general tag.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #160 on: October 19, 2017, 09:13:55 PM »
@msfwallace

1. that was 2013, and 1 wolf, 1 time. IIRC same wolf moved on and was spotted and or killed in an entirely different area. (See reply #56 in your quoted thread)

2. This is my backyard and I spend well over 150 days a year there.......you go ahead and believe what you want. I know the truth.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #161 on: October 20, 2017, 11:04:41 AM »
But Washington isn't the only state with wolf predation on deer. I see guys talking about how great Idaho, Montana and Wyoming are for hunting mule deer and they all have wolves and grizzly. Certainly predation has an effect but if it's not a Washington specific issue it must be other things, like winter range.



Try to convince this guy of that!!


Yellowstone is Dead Theatrical Trailer

 Dude, love your passion but can you take your 6 year old videos and links and start your own thread, I'd like to stay on topic. :tup:


Kind of figure this is on topic, wolves on top of other predators is the reason for poor deer hunting etc.,  changing season etc. won't help the predation problem. Everyone seems to be looking for the solution through changed seasons, the links above explain what has/is happening to WA hunting. Some of us covered this quite extensively for several years right here on H-W.

 

Hunt while you can, because if predator control isn't implemented nothing will change the outcome. :twocents:


Like I have already mentioned, NO wolves in the Entiat.....but the herd is hurting.........Must be the invisible wolves SMH


Wolves move deer, we have found areas that when the wolves move into an area the deer move out. I have been in drainages that have always carried deer, there will be wolf tracks but very few if any deer.

I bet WDF&Wolves are having a good laugh at some of the folks on H-W, I think the wolf plan states that seasons will be cut when wolves start impacting the game herds. I wonder how many deer we will have left when that determination rolls around?



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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #162 on: October 20, 2017, 07:05:37 PM »
I just got back after many successful seasons.  I almost expected this thread.  Beyond the obvious, heavy winter, multiple cougar tracks.  Someone had wolves on camera.  They weren't in the area now, but they did come through the ridge line in the winter and kill a bunch of deer. We found multiple kills high up where they would have been trapped in the snow.  I've seen it in other areas where the wolves don't frequent year round, but when the snow hits, the deer are easy pickings.  4 or 5 cougs at a deer per week, fair amount of bear.  The habitat was fine, infact a little better then last year. We did take quite a few nice bucks last year, but overall fewer deer by far this year.  Hard to vote on something that feels like a union contract asking for concessions knowing that the company is all smoke and mirrors and won't hold up their end of the bargain.  I do hope for a good outcome. 
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #163 on: October 21, 2017, 09:30:25 AM »
Getting rid of late seasons, special permits or general late and getting rid of multi-season tags. Should be the first thing to happen unless trophy hunting is what your wanting.

 

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