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Offline MAVsled

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is this an illegal treestand?
« on: September 19, 2017, 07:53:13 PM »
a partner of mine, archery hunting on any bull tag, came across this treestand in unit 356.
we thought a treestand like this would be illegal on national forest, public land.
by looks of it, designed for muzzle or rifle hunter, looking at location of the shooting ports.
Pretty new too, as wood used in construction is not very old.

he's going to check on it closer tomorrow, give it a good look, perhaps used by a biologist or research box, or other government use.
either that or some southern guy trying to whitetail hunt  :chuckle:
he may GPS its location, turn in to USFS.

for his trip, he's been there since September 9 opener. But bulls, and cows, quieted down to almost nothing since Monday Sept 11.
Woods in his area are still quiet of elk noise today Even with the weather change and dusting of snow 500' above his elevation.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2017, 09:43:12 PM by bobcat »
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 08:00:59 PM »
Whoever painted it should be arrested.Baaahaaaaaa!

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 08:01:53 PM »
sure its public land? just askin

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 08:08:39 PM »
There are so many stands like that around the NF.
They would have to have a special unit just to handle them. :yike: :yike:
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 08:09:39 PM »
Well lets see if it was private they can build whatever kind of treestand they please if its their property

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 08:10:39 PM »
100% public land, national forest, just off 1500 USFS Road
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 08:42:00 PM »
I think a lot of it depends on how it is attached to the tree/how long between visits.  If it doesn't damage the tree (nails/spikes) then it is fine as a stand for use.  If the owners visit it within specified time frames, usually fine too.  The FS might be upset during the times it is unoccupied due to liability concerns.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 08:49:40 PM »
I was browsing the forest service site and most likely did not dig deep enough as I didn't find anything concrete in just the few minutes I spent. My guess it yes, illegal based on the fact that it looks permanent and is fixed to the tree. Heck of a stand, hate the paint job. I would say if you are concerned don't make use of it, pass along the info, and let those that are paid to enforce the laws deal with it. 
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 09:13:26 PM »
100% public land, national forest, just off 1500 USFS Road

Lots of permanent tree stands off the 1500 road system. 
Most are pretty old and rotten.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 09:14:02 PM »
Just keep walking and mind your own business. Do you report all speeders to the law? Who knows why it's there or whose it is. Could easily be a handicapped grandfather that's taking his grandson on his last year of hunting before dying of old age and got some odd permission to build it and put it up for the season. If it's not affecting you or your family, move on and worry/report something that actually matters.
And you're right, only southerns hunt out of box blinds for whitetails.
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 09:26:32 PM »
wow the work that went into that, nice job. I actually appreciate the pic, now it gives me an idea of how to build a permanent stand (on private) .  so thanks

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 09:33:31 PM »
My gosh that looks comfortable. I would love to sit in a box like that in a typical NW squall. It also looks like a ton of effort and money, so it would have to be a productive spot. Regarding the legality on NFS lands, have you guys witnessed what kind of modifications rock climbers have made? Trails of expansion bolts have been drilled, even in wilderness areas, and the NFS (in practice, not necessarily in policy) doesn't raise an eyebrow.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2017, 09:34:48 PM »
Forest circus should concentrate on actually managing the forests and roads with logging ect...Once they do that they can work on permanent tree stands

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2017, 09:35:04 PM »
Just keep walking and mind your own business. Do you report all speeders to the law? Who knows why it's there or whose it is. Could easily be a handicapped grandfather that's taking his grandson on his last year of hunting before dying of old age and got some odd permission to build it and put it up for the season. If it's not affecting you or your family, move on and worry/report something that actually matters.
And you're right, only southerns hunt out of box blinds for whitetails.
Give me a break.  People breaking the rules on public lands in this way is what leads to all of us losing access.  Report it.  100%. 

In your example, reporting wouldn't affect the dynamic grandfather/grandson duo in any way, since they have that odd permission.  The rangers would take the report and do nothing with it.  But if it's just some jerk who thinks he's special and gets to build a stand on everyone's land, then it should be taken down. 


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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2017, 09:56:32 PM »
Regarding the legality on NFS lands, have you guys witnessed what kind of modifications rock climbers have made? Trails of expansion bolts have been drilled, even in wilderness areas, and the NFS (in practice, not necessarily in policy) doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Ummmmmmmmmm a trail of bolts up a rock face is hardly analogous to a stand like this. 

Besides, the "what about those other guys who do things wrong??" argument has no bearing on whether or not this kind of tree stand is OK. 

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2017, 09:57:50 PM »
Ya better run n tell cuz that paint job is terrible

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2017, 10:00:27 PM »
Maybe it bolts together and not into the tree. Then what's the difference between it and a regular stand?

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2017, 10:06:24 PM »
Garbage and vandalism like this is what got the Weyco gates locked.Might as well shoot some more holes in the road signs while your there.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2017, 10:14:21 PM »
Garbage and vandalism like this is what got the Weyco gates locked.Might as well shoot some more holes in the road signs while your there.
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2017, 11:41:24 PM »
Garbage and vandalism like this is what got the Weyco gates locked.Might as well shoot some more holes in the road signs while your there.
Absolutely boils my blood when you see the no shooting from the road signs popped full of holes. Seems to me like that quickest way to bring an end to legal recreational shooting.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2017, 04:55:20 AM »
If it is permanent (i.e. bolted, nail to the tree) then it's illegal on National Forest and state land and should be reported. I've never heard of special permission to conduct resource damage. A specialist doing a study would no doubt set up a blind on the ground if needed. Most I've ever seen for disabled hunters is a platform on the side of the road for a wheel chair.

I'd be more worried about a future timber sale off that road with, as stated, bunch of old rotten stands bolted to the trees. Imagine years from now when all the visual signs of the blind are gone and the tree ends up at a mill with nails and bolts in it.
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 06:13:13 AM »
Just keep walking and mind your own business. Do you report all speeders to the law? Who knows why it's there or whose it is. Could easily be a handicapped grandfather that's taking his grandson on his last year of hunting before dying of old age and got some odd permission to build it and put it up for the season. If it's not affecting you or your family, move on and worry/report something that actually matters.
And you're right, only southerns hunt out of box blinds for whitetails.
:yeah:  agree, just move on.  It takes time and money plus commitment to build and maintain a stand. Maybe the guy built it for his disabled dad or something like that?  It's no big deal to ignore it and move on.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 06:49:31 AM »
I say report it. There may be some extenuating circumstances you don't know about but reporting it does no harm. There's a right way and a wrong way to go about pretty much everything and deciding on your own you have more of a claim to something that belongs to all is not a good public land practice. This is the kind of thing that leads guys to have conflict over "their" spot. There's rules about this stuff for a reason, I don't really see a big difference between this and any other resource damage.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2017, 06:58:33 AM »
Exactly.  I view this very much the same as a "dummy camp".  If I find a tree stand in an area I hunt I move on so I don't disturb the area.  If it stays up all fall or year-round I get a little peeved.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2017, 07:16:51 AM »
Nice camo design. Blends in nicely with the natural surroundings. It took me a while to spot the tree stand in the picture. I wonder if he patented the pattern. Sitka might want to acguire the rights for next year's lineup.

 

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