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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2017, 03:53:55 PM »
I am betting right now that the FS will do nothing.

I doubt they have the time, funds or staff to spend on removing all the blinds and crappers out there.
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2017, 04:02:37 PM »
Permits like weyco didn't get started over garbage or vandalism, it was shareholders greed to generate more money

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2017, 04:14:11 PM »
Permits like weyco didn't get started over garbage or vandalism, it was shareholders greed to generate more money

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2017, 04:34:12 PM »
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2017, 04:49:28 PM »

Not that I am holier than thou and need to be the enforcer of rules, but I genuinely worry about losing ALL access to areas because of the few that can't follow the rules.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2017, 04:53:00 PM »
Normally, the custom is to take down the stand at the end of hunting season. That includes hanging poles.
It is possible, it was built for a disabled hunter.
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2017, 06:04:41 PM »
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2017, 06:06:10 PM »
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?
Nobody is allowed to build permanent anything on public property without prior authorization from the government agency.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2017, 06:14:57 PM »
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?
Nobody is allowed to build permanent anything on public property without prior authorization from the government agency.

Someone forgot to tell hundreds of folks. :yike:
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2017, 06:21:15 PM »
Are disabled hunters allowed to build permanent blinds in the woods?
Nobody is allowed to build permanent anything on public property without prior authorization from the government agency.

I thought that was the case. I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2017, 06:25:53 PM »
Nice stand. I'd sure like to stumble into it during a severe rain/snow storm.
:yeah:   And my opinion on what happens if I'm sitting in a stand like that and the guy that built it comes by, I'll gladly get out and find my own area to hunt.  I wouldn't give the guy grief. I think too many people just don't mind their own business.  Just like guys who report cabins in the wilderness that are pretty damn neat to find, don't be a prude and just move on.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2017, 06:41:48 PM »
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.

I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2017, 06:53:44 PM »
If I find something on public land that is not supposed to be there it just became my business.The fault is upon the person who builds these things not those who find it.Just follow the rules and the problem is solved,pretty simple.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2017, 07:54:21 PM »
Nice stand. I'd sure like to stumble into it during a severe rain/snow storm.
:yeah:   And my opinion on what happens if I'm sitting in a stand like that and the guy that built it comes by, I'll gladly get out and find my own area to hunt.  I wouldn't give the guy grief. I think too many people just don't mind their own business.  Just like guys who report cabins in the wilderness that are pretty damn neat to find, don't be a prude and just move on.

I partly agree with you on this, but where would you draw the line?  cabins are pretty cool to find, especially old ones, but this is far from a cool cabin in the middle of no where. 
I would most likely leave it be and not report it, it's possible that it's temporary, but I know of plenty of old rotten stands that are now just an eye soar as well as dangerous.
What about the mt bikers diggin trails all over the bumping?  They have as much right as I do to use the land, but should they be allowed to dig trails and build ramps, jumps, etc thru public property?  I'm inclined to say no, and the law would agree with me.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2017, 08:23:26 PM »
update:

USFS drove and stopped by my friends camp. Ranger talked about giving out tickets to those ATV-ing into the 1502 closed road area, down the road quite a ways from Timberwolf turnoff.
Friend mentioned the treestand. USFS ranger asked him to show the location. They went and USFS logged coordinates via GPS. Back at USFS vehicle, got on his computer and made an official report.
USFS enforcement will monitor this site during muzzle and modern seasons, hoping to catch user.
but the stand will come down, at the hands of the ranger personally (chain saw).

YES, ranger verified it is illegal to build and permanent stand on national forest lands, open to the public. And if caught using a permanent stand, a hefty fine too.
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2017, 08:28:35 PM »
I am betting right now that the FS will do nothing.

I doubt they have the time, funds or staff to spend on removing all the blinds and crappers out there.


Well I lost that bet I guess.
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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2017, 08:35:15 PM »
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.

I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.

I'm pretty sure it's legal. Last month at my daughter's hunter education class they had all the students shooting the stuff and there were some BIG explosions.   :tup:   :chuckle:

It may be illegal on public land. But other than that I don't think there's any law against it.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2017, 08:39:11 PM »
update:

USFS drove and stopped by my friends camp. Ranger talked about giving out tickets to those ATV-ing into the 1502 closed road area, down the road quite a ways from Timberwolf turnoff.
Friend mentioned the treestand. USFS ranger asked him to show the location. They went and USFS logged coordinates via GPS. Back at USFS vehicle, got on his computer and made an official report.
USFS enforcement will monitor this site during muzzle and modern seasons, hoping to catch user.
but the stand will come down, at the hands of the ranger personally (chain saw).

YES, ranger verified it is illegal to build and permanent stand on national forest lands, open to the public. And if caught using a permanent stand, a hefty fine too.

If the builder is a member on here, probably won't go anywhere near that stand now!

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2017, 09:10:36 PM »
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.
Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.
I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.
I'm pretty sure it's legal. Last month at my daughter's hunter education class they had all the students shooting the stuff and there were some BIG explosions.   :tup:   :chuckle:

It may be illegal on public land. But other than that I don't think there's any law against it.
The "closed season" is April 15-October 15

RCW 76.04.455
Discarding lighted material or smoking flammable material—Discharge, release, or detonation of certain materials—Receptacles in conveyances—Posting a copy of this section.

(1)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, it is unlawful for any person to, during the closed season:

(i) Discard any lighted tobacco, cigars, cigarettes, matches, fireworks, charcoal, or other lighted material, discharge any incendiary ammunition, release a sky lantern, or detonate an exploding target on or over any forest, brush, range, or grain areas; or

(ii) Smoke any flammable material when in forest or brush areas except on roads, cleared landings, gravel pits, or any similar area free of flammable material.

(b) The prohibitions contained in this subsection do not apply to the detonation of nonflammable exploding targets on any forest, brush, range, or grain areas if the person detonating the nonflammable exploding target:

(i) Has lawful possession and control of the land in question; or

(ii) Has prior written permission for the activity from the person who owns or has lawful possession and control of the land in question.


(c) The prohibitions contained in this subsection do not apply to suppression actions authorized or conducted by the department under the authority of this chapter.

(2)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, it is unlawful for any person to, during any time outside of the closed season, discharge any incendiary ammunition, release a sky lantern, or detonate an exploding target on or over any forest, brush, range, or grain areas.

(b) The prohibitions contained in this subsection do not apply if the person conducting the otherwise prohibited action:

(i) Has lawful possession and control of the land in question; or

(ii) Has prior written permission for the activity from the person who owns or has lawful possession and control of the land in question.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2017, 10:02:15 PM »
I remember a thread from not so long back where a guy was pissed when someone "stole" his tree stand that he left permanently on public land. The general consensus was shock and outrage that someone would steal a tree stand that was admittedly left permanently on public land. No one mentioned that someone might have just been cleaning abandoned junk out of the woods. I would support the removal of some old junker steel stand over a nice (albeit terribly painted and camouflaged blind) that someone obviously spent time and effort constructing.

I know where a couple pirate cabins are on USFS land that I would never report. Too cool to find them and know where they are. Never know when they may come in handy or be useful for an odd season trip.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2017, 10:09:55 PM »
Bigtex already covered some of it, but it's listed in several places. Here's another law.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-145

WAC 332-52-145

(b) Unauthorized targets include but are not limited to:
(i) Natural features, except earthen berms or banks used as backstops for target shooting;
(ii) Vegetation;
(iii) Structures;
(iv) Gates;
(v) Vehicles;
(vi) Signs;
(vii) Other department improvements;
(viii) Appliances;
(ix) Furniture;
(x) Glass;
(xi) Privately owned or occupied structures;
(xii) Pets, service animals or livestock;
(xiii) Wildlife;
(xiv) Explosive and incendiary items;


And a USFS bulletin.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5428172.pdf

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2017, 10:21:05 PM »
Bigtex already covered some of it, but it's listed in several places. Here's another law.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=332-52-145

WAC 332-52-145

(b) Unauthorized targets include but are not limited to:
(i) Natural features, except earthen berms or banks used as backstops for target shooting;
(ii) Vegetation;
(iii) Structures;
(iv) Gates;
(v) Vehicles;
(vi) Signs;
(vii) Other department improvements;
(viii) Appliances;
(ix) Furniture;
(x) Glass;
(xi) Privately owned or occupied structures;
(xii) Pets, service animals or livestock;
(xiii) Wildlife;
(xiv) Explosive and incendiary items;


And a USFS bulletin.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5428172.pdf

Those laws you're referencing are for on public lands. Doesn't say the stuff isn't legal to use in the state of Washington.

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2017, 11:56:55 PM »
This what Tannerite was invented for. After the hunting season some enterprising vigilante can blow it to smithereens and upload the video to youtube and make a fortune on the views. Just make sure to pick up the pieces. Doing God's work, one day at a time.

Tannerite is illegal in this state. Have no clue why they sell it. It's like expandable broadheads were before last yr or whatever it was.

I would appreciate the law that prohibits Tannerite. Every time I go to Sportco they are selling it.
Pegasus, Lots of stores sell things that are illegal for use in Washington state, (like illuminated bow sights), just because it is sold in this state does not make it legal to use on public ground. If Tannerite explodes with a flash that could start a fire then it is illegal to use on public land in this state, (refer to Bigtex's post in this thread).

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2017, 05:49:45 AM »
Back to the OP

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Re: is this an illegal treestand?
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2017, 06:23:28 AM »
If I find something on public land that is not supposed to be there it just became my business.The fault is upon the person who builds these things not those who find it.Just follow the rules and the problem is solved,pretty simple.
It's not like this is a poaching ring, it's just a tree stand.

 

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