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Duplicity in the wolf debate
« on: September 24, 2017, 08:27:10 AM »
I noticed a new member appeared on here pushing wolf agenda

On another outdoor forum he advised that co authored this article with Mitch Friedman director of conservation NW

http://www.hcn.org/articles/opinion-rural-communities-can-coexist-with-wolves-heres-how/

If you do some research you discover that Mitch Friedman was a long time 20 plus years member of Earthfirst

Mr Friedman grew up in Chicago , like another radical community activist we know, and is suddenly an expert in big predators and wildlife management.

Earthfirst is classified as an eco terrorist organization that committed large scale arson , vandalism , threats against employees and their families who worked at companies they disagreed with

They were infamous in spiking trees that injured loggers



So mr friedman reinvented himself and now is pushing wolves into rural communities in an attempt to radically change their lifestyles and conservation has come out in hearings against sport hunting


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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2017, 01:35:29 PM »
Not a shocker!

Funny how easy it is to spot these fakes even tho they are anynomious...

Guess we have a well tuned B S dectector!
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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2017, 02:34:01 PM »
Who is the recent member by chance?
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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2017, 02:58:54 PM »
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2017, 03:20:20 PM »
Who is the recent member by chance?
:yeah:

This article is pretty decent.  He's right that collaboration is the best way to get anything accomplished.  If hunters (huge minority) think we can sit on the sidelines on issues like this, we will lose every.single.time.  So, prepare to collaborate folks.

As a side note- I think Mitch is a pretty good dude.  We do not agree on everything, but he lets you know his opinion and is respectful in dialogue.  He's also a fisherman and hunter, which might surprise some folks on here.

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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2017, 04:40:08 PM »
I won't defend his affiliation with Earth First.  People can and do change and it sounds like he learned his approach was not working.

Collaboration is essential.  I would encourage everyone on this forum to listen to some of Shane Mahoney's podcasts about conservation issues, particularly the recent British Columbia ban on grizzly bear trophy hunting.  He raises some questions and perspectives we should all consider.
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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2017, 06:40:08 PM »
Ah yes collaboration has work so well stacking the WAG with  anti hunting groups...

Must be why ranchers are now lining up to join the wolf  depredation program .
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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2017, 07:17:26 PM »
You don't have to collaborate if you hold all the power.  Unfortunately the ever decreasing populace of hunters don't have that option.


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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2017, 07:30:59 PM »
You imply that those your collaborating with have both honest intentions and only slight disagreements with hunting as a sport... they understand incrementalism and are organised... we don't accept incrementalism and fight amongst ourselves.
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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2017, 09:18:03 PM »
I'm not implying anything.

Take whichever approach you choose.


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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2017, 09:40:08 PM »
Negotiating with environmentalists has only ended in more wolves than originally promised. The wolfers have themselves repeatedly proven time after time that you cannot expect a good faith agreement, you cannot trust them, honesty and good faith is not in their vocabulary. When this state eventually reaches it's outrageous wolf goals I guarantee there will be lawsuits or initiatives to try and prevent wolf management.  :twocents:
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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM »
It's interesting and really very intelligent, CNW brags how they help rural folks coexist with wolves, while at the same time many of their members most likely belong to other groups that immediately sue to stop any wolf management even when wolf population goals are exceeded. Don't be duped!
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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2017, 09:54:38 PM »
You got that one right Dale.   Every single deal (collaboration) that was made with the wolf lovers was broken by them.  They are the biggest lying scoundrels  of all time

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Re: Duplicity in the wolf debate
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2017, 09:57:11 PM »
Negotiating with environmentalists has only ended in more wolves than originally promised. The wolfers have themselves repeatedly proven time after time that you cannot expect a good faith agreement, you cannot trust them, honesty and good faith is not in their vocabulary. When this state eventually reaches it's outrageous wolf goals I guarantee there will be lawsuits or initiatives to try and prevent wolf management.  :twocents:

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