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"Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« on: September 26, 2017, 09:58:59 AM »
This is in Snohomish county, will be interesting to see what happens with this. I hope the environmental group is successful.

http://www.monroemonitor.com/Content/News/Homepage-Rotating-Articles/Article/Environmental-group-challenges-aerial-spraying/26/538/10803

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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 10:09:13 AM »
Need to go back to burning the clear cuts.  :tup:
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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2017, 10:14:57 AM »
I don't see the proposal for any non-chemical alternatives, like slash burning. If we could get the EPA to overturn its problems with burning, maybe we could get the timber producers to stop poisoning our forests.  :dunno:
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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2017, 10:21:33 AM »
So they are suing over pesticides but not herbicides it looks like.  So they are after the bug killing sprays, but not the chemicals that kill vegetation in clear cuts.  Correct?

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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2017, 10:27:08 AM »
So they are suing over pesticides but not herbicides it looks like.  So they are after the bug killing sprays, but not the chemicals that kill vegetation in clear cuts.  Correct?

Glyphosate is an herbicide.
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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2017, 10:28:12 AM »
So they are suing over pesticides but not herbicides it looks like.  So they are after the bug killing sprays, but not the chemicals that kill vegetation in clear cuts.  Correct?

No, it's herbicides. Not sure why the word "pesticides" is used sometimes.

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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 10:31:51 AM »
Thats what I figured, but it frustrates me a bit when the reporters/writers don't get the terminology right.  They are completely different. 

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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 10:36:10 AM »
Herbicides are considered a pesticide per EPA definitions.


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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 10:47:23 AM »
Herbicides are considered a pesticide per EPA definitions.
 Ok, good to know.  Thanks.

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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 10:49:40 AM »
I don't see the proposal for any non-chemical alternatives, like slash burning. If we could get the EPA to overturn its problems with burning, maybe we could get the timber producers to stop poisoning our forests.  :dunno:

Clearcutting (with appropriate stream setbacks) and burning is best IMHO, but until Monsanto figures out a way to patent fire and sell licenses for it back to foresters, I think we're stuck with chemical control.  K street has way too much influence here, IMHO.
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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 11:01:17 AM »
Herbicides are considered a pesticide per EPA definitions.
 Ok, good to know.  Thanks.

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Yes, although pesticide is commonly used interchangeably with insecticide, in the regulatory world pesticide is used globally for all chemicals used to kill unwanted life forms - herbicide, insecticide, fungicide, rodenticide etc.  My Washington State weed control license was officially a "Pesticide Applicator's License with Agricultural Weeds Endorsement".  No need to use 2 words when 7 will do!
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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 11:24:22 AM »
I don't see the proposal for any non-chemical alternatives, like slash burning. If we could get the EPA to overturn its problems with burning, maybe we could get the timber producers to stop poisoning our forests.  :dunno:

I don't see that slash burning is the issue.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  The spray seems to be used to kill everything in the cut to give the seedlings an advantage when planted.

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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2017, 11:41:16 AM »
Wonder what they sprayed to make that womans skin fall off?

Being in farming Ive been exposed to chemicals my whole life and Ive never had anything like that happen. Glyphosphate is one of the safest chemicals around,


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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2017, 01:21:55 PM »
Wonder what they sprayed to make that womans skin fall off?

Being in farming Ive been exposed to chemicals my whole life and Ive never had anything like that happen. Glyphosphate is one of the safest chemicals around,

Yeah, except for the whole non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, birth defects, and autism thing. The concentrates for some of the chemicals sprayed on fields must be handled very carefully until they're diluted for spraying. She may have been exposed to Atrazine and it's quite possible the plane/helo was spraying a cocktail of more than one chemical. If the mixture was not diluted enough, that could also cause skin problems.
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Re: "Environmental Group Challenges Aerial Spraying"
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2017, 02:42:48 PM »
It's about time something is being done about the blatant use of pesticides poisoning our ecosystem. If the Environmental group is successful we will slowly see an increase of deer, elk, grouse, bear and even the salmon down stream of these tree farms. Hunters, fishermen, and the tribes should be grateful something is finally being done.

People who think that Glyphosphate etc. is safe and doesn't have a lasting negative effect on the environment has been reading the wrong literature :twocents:
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