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Scent Control Debate
« on: September 27, 2017, 05:57:42 PM »
I've been on a short term assignment to Florida and in my effort to fast forward my hunting knowledge of the area I started listening to the Down South Hunting podcast.  It's an ok podcast in general, but the last 3 episodes have been really good.  They interviewed two very successful deer hunters from the Midwest.  One that really believes in Scent Control and one that doesn't.  I recommend that all hunters listen to these 3 podcasts.  I listen on Google Play, but attached are links to all 3.

Enjoy

http://www.downsouthhunting.com/down-south-hunting-podcast-episode-013-scent-control-debate-part-1/

http://www.downsouthhunting.com/south-hunting-podcast-episode-014-scent-control-strategy-comparison-w-dan-infalt-john-eberhart-part-2/

http://www.downsouthhunting.com/south-hunting-podcast-episode-015-scent-control-strategy-comparison-w-dan-infalt-john-eberhart-part-3/

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 06:11:32 PM »
Carl,

There is no debate.......    PLEASE start practicing scent control. Do it for the children. 

(are you back yet?   I know where some elk are.)
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 07:42:36 PM »
Thanks, I'll check 'em out.  In the mean time .........

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 08:08:50 PM »
For sure, scent control is legit.  Cook your bacon, hand around your running Powerstroke, chew and smoke and then get a couple sprays of the latest and greatest.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2017, 04:42:45 AM »
Carl,

There is no debate.......    PLEASE start practicing scent control. Do it for the children. 

(are you back yet?   I know where some elk are.)

I was back for the whole Archery Elk season.  Had some chances, but struck out.  Might be home for rifle deer season, but just for the weekend.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 04:43:21 AM »
Thanks, I'll check 'em out.  In the mean time .........

They talk about this.  Neither are that impressed.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 06:50:14 AM »
I read a book by an ex-military guy turned dog trainer that works up high dollar dogs for Seal teams.  He had a chapter on dog's sense of smell and noted that cover scents don't work as dogs sense of smell works differently than people.  They smell everything individually where we smell things together.  An example would be a pot of chili cooking on the stove.  We smell chili where dogs smell beans, chili powder, ground beef, tomatoes, etc.

He had a dog that sniffed out a drug package hidden in a tank of gas.

I wonder if deer smell that way.  If so, all of the cover scents would be completely worthless.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 06:55:05 AM »
I am guilty of using scent control sprays, detergent etc but I still think playing the wind/thermals is paramount. I have gotten much better over the years of not only being aware of them but planning my every move based on them. I will hike an extra mile to get the wind right versus trusting my scent control in an unfavorable wind.  :twocents:
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 08:44:30 AM »
I am guilty of using scent control sprays, detergent etc but I still think playing the wind/thermals is paramount. I have gotten much better over the years of not only being aware of them but planning my every move based on them. I will hike an extra mile to get the wind right versus trusting my scent control in an unfavorable wind.  :twocents:

Ditto on hiking waaay around to hunt a place with the wind right.  I have some places where I have a different plan and hunt approach depending on which way the wind is blowing. 

Directly on topic:  If you think scent control spray or clothes etc. work, use them by all means because anything that ups our confidence helps. 

However, IMO scent control is impossible with current technology and is no more than a lucrative scam, though some of the sellers probably believe their own hype.  I admit that I may overreact to this topic!    A hermetically sealed rebreather spacesuit that contains your breath and every molecule that leaves you skin might have possibilities, except that the suit material itself has some kind of odor.  If scent control worked, drug dealers would wrap their shipments in a scent control jacket or bag and be home free.   

The stories given as evidence that scent control works are downright  funny.  Last Fall I had a mule deer doe come off of a clearcut hillside onto an abandoned road with me, downwind of me, within 15 yards.  She looked at me a few times but mostly just walked on her way up the road.  I could say, "WOW!  She did not smell me and my camo was so good that she did not even see me standing in the open inside of 15 yards.  WOW!  This stuff really works!"

In my early days of calling critters to my bow, I went fanatical about scent control:  washing clothes scent free, bagging them sealed with sage or pine boughs, scrubbing myself, washing again after I left my vehicle and changing clothes from skin out before a short non-sweaty walk to a stand, etc.  I concluded that maybe I could surprise a coyote by the different or lack of scent for a few seconds, probably less than 5 seconds of double take body language on his part, maybe a bit more sometimes.  I don't think that the animal could not smell me but rather that it was an unusual smell coming from a human. 

Let's see:  my grandson killed a huge bull elk with his bow last year at 4 yards.  I have called coyotes inside of 18 inches, powder burned my first bull elk, lynx inside of 6 feet, a fox inside of 12 inches, black bear at a dozen feet, a 175 class mule deer killed within 40 feet, had a blacktail spike sniff of my boots as I sat by a deer trail, and my son called a bull moose to within touching distance (not a good idea by the way).  All of this without scent control clothes nor gear. 

Again, if you have confidence in it, use it. 


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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 09:04:47 AM »
I am guilty of using scent control sprays, detergent etc but I still think playing the wind/thermals is paramount. I have gotten much better over the years of not only being aware of them but planning my every move based on them. I will hike an extra mile to get the wind right versus trusting my scent control in an unfavorable wind.  :twocents:

Ditto on hiking waaay around to hunt a place with the wind right.  I have some places where I have a different plan and hunt approach depending on which way the wind is blowing. 

Directly on topic:  If you think scent control spray or clothes etc. work, use them by all means because anything that ups our confidence helps. 

However, IMO scent control is impossible with current technology and is no more than a lucrative scam, though some of the sellers probably believe their own hype.  I admit that I may overreact to this topic!    A hermetically sealed rebreather spacesuit that contains your breath and every molecule that leaves you skin might have possibilities, except that the suit material itself has some kind of odor.  If scent control worked, drug dealers would wrap their shipments in a scent control jacket or bag and be home free.   

The stories given as evidence that scent control works are downright  funny.  Last Fall I had a mule deer doe come off of a clearcut hillside onto an abandoned road with me, downwind of me, within 15 yards.  She looked at me a few times but mostly just walked on her way up the road.  I could say, "WOW!  She did not smell me and my camo was so good that she did not even see me standing in the open inside of 15 yards.  WOW!  This stuff really works!"

In my early days of calling critters to my bow, I went fanatical about scent control:  washing clothes scent free, bagging them sealed with sage or pine boughs, scrubbing myself, washing again after I left my vehicle and changing clothes from skin out before a short non-sweaty walk to a stand, etc.  I concluded that maybe I could surprise a coyote by the different or lack of scent for a few seconds, probably less than 5 seconds of double take body language on his part, maybe a bit more sometimes.  I don't think that the animal could not smell me but rather that it was an unusual smell coming from a human. 

Let's see:  my grandson killed a huge bull elk with his bow last year at 4 yards.  I have called coyotes inside of 18 inches, powder burned my first bull elk, lynx inside of 6 feet, a fox inside of 12 inches, black bear at a dozen feet, a 175 class mule deer killed within 40 feet, had a blacktail spike sniff of my boots as I sat by a deer trail, and my son called a bull moose to within touching distance (not a good idea by the way).  All of this without scent control clothes nor gear. 

Again, if you have confidence in it, use it. 



I agree completely. I don't have near the experience that you do, but one thing has always stood out to me... what about our breath? Yeah, you can use some special scent killing toothpaste I guess, but that doesn't take away the fact that our breath is still going to smell unlike anything out there. Even if you use that stuff, what happens an hour later when the natural bacteria in our mouths have repopulated somewhat and are causing an odor again? Same thing for scent killing body wash.

We should take two guys in a season, one of them uses scent control and the other doesn't, have the scent control guy ignore the wind entirely while hunting(because scent control) and the other guy who's wearing regular deodorant, who has eaten something in his hunting clothes and kept them in a scented area, plays the wind. I know who I'm betting on.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 09:09:02 AM »
There are times when you just can't use the wind to your advantage.  For those times I use scent control products.  They don't eliminate your scent but if it takes away a little, anything helps.  Scent control and good natural cover scent like crushed up fir or pine needles and dirt.  I think they give you a better advantage than so called scent elimination products.
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 09:22:36 AM »
When you're ready to take your scent control to the next level start taking chlorophyll pills :tup:

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2017, 09:31:19 AM »
There are times when you just can't use the wind to your advantage. 

You are probably right, but I am close to disagreeing.  :)

We can use the wind far more than is generally assumed, and far more than merely hunting upwind.  For nose dominant animals, which include ungulates, canines and bears, the wind allows us to predict with high probability what an animal will do, where he will go, etc.  Any pattern a hunter can predict about an animal is a huge advantage.  I'd do my usual and post a corroborating/example story or two but am giving away too much hard learned info already!

Steady wind in one direction is a hunter's gift, no matter which way it blows.  Variable swirling winds are trouble. 

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2017, 10:18:41 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 10:51:05 AM »
Scent control is a billion dollar business! Biggest ripoff in the world.   The one thing you cannot hide is your breath.  If you dont have wind in your face, then you had best move to get it in your face no matter what..  I have 30 years hunting experience and never try to COVER up my scent.  Oh and I smoke whenever and where ever. 


I never clean my clothes in anything but regular laundry soap, srand around the fire in my hunting clothes, chew gum, smoke, wear deodorant and so on amd so forth. 

I have been involved in 100 plus elk kils and probably twice that in deer kills.  Get that wind in your face and you will be fine..  I do agree to try and limit unatural scents, but there are far better hunting things to spend money on.. 
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2017, 11:00:29 AM »
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2017, 11:12:59 AM »
Scent control is a billion dollar business! Biggest ripoff in the world.   The one thing you cannot hide is your breath.  If you dont have wind in your face, then you had best move to get it in your face no matter what..  I have 30 years hunting experience and never try to COVER up my scent.  Oh and I smoke whenever and where ever. 


I never clean my clothes in anything but regular laundry soap, srand around the fire in my hunting clothes, chew gum, smoke, wear deodorant and so on amd so forth. 

I have been involved in 100 plus elk kils and probably twice that in deer kills.  Get that wind in your face and you will be fine..  I do agree to try and limit unatural scents, but there are far better hunting things to spend money on..

I 100% agree with rt, I,m not a smoker but I pretty much go about my hunting trips the same way and I've been doing it for over 50years, the family for over 100 years, been very successful. "Keep the wind in your face and if its not you better get it there!" This was pumped into me from the age of 5, and yes, lots better "hunting stuff" to spend my money on... :twocents:

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2017, 11:17:17 AM »
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2017, 11:21:21 AM »
I use the scent control products and have seen them work as advertised. For those commenting about breath that is a tough one to control. However, there is an easy fix to that. Breath through your nose. Sure there's scent coming from the lungs but not nearly as much coming from the bacteria filled mouth. Whenever I am close to deer I make sure to breath exclusively through the shnaaz.

Of course, using the wind to one's advantage is the best bet but like someone else said, that's not always possible. I think if you're gonna use the products you have to use all of them. I de-scent everything I possibly can, then let everything sit outside to soak up the woods smell. The last two deer I harvested were shot with my scent carrying directly toward the animal (bow and muzzy). One from a few years ago was with a group of 5 other bucks and none of them alerted to me. Can't speak for everyone else's experience, but for me I know without a doubt those products work if applied properly.

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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 11:35:10 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2017, 11:59:26 AM »
I think that the scent control products can help to a point. I do a pretty rigorous scent control protocol before I climb into a blind or stand hunting Whitetail's. If I am backpacking or hiking enough to break a sweat, then all the products are usuless.
I also won't sit in my whitetail stands with a bad wind. No matter what scent control you do with sprays or wips or detergent it won't eliminate all of your odors. But if it helps a bit and can buy me a few seconds that may be just enough to seal the deal.

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2017, 12:29:40 PM »
I think Mythbusters answered this pretty well. They had a guy in a protective suit and boots and everything. The dog smelled him easily. I have heard (for bear hunting at least) to chew mint gum. That hasn't worked so far this year haha. I used to bag my clothes up with vegetation and use special detergent and dryer sheets. I think I felt more confident but I don't think I was fooling anyone or anything else.

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2017, 01:11:18 PM »
There are times when you just can't use the wind to your advantage. 


.......Any pattern a hunter can predict about an animal is a huge advantage.  I'd do my usual and post a corroborating/example story or two but am giving away too much hard learned info already!


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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2017, 01:38:59 PM »
... an interesting idea from last year came from one of the members who mentioned that he could walk through the woods in his (loggers) work clothes which were covered in bar/chain oil and not startle the deer he encountered. 

Western WA commercial forests are literally covered in the stuff.  Questions remain whether those deer:

1) associate the smell of the oil as normal non-threatening smell
2) associate the smell of oil on people in the woods to mean they're not out there hunting for deer
or 3) have their olfactory senses overwhelmed by the smell of the oil

Does any of this matter?  Is bar and chain oil an effective scent control?  How would your spouse like it if you came home smelling of oil instead of deer urine?  :yike:

Also, has anyone researched the science behind scent?  I have tried.  The best explanation I've seen was that scent particles literally fall off us as we walk through the woods.  Perhaps it is dead skin cells or some such thing, but the fact that a deer can smell that you walked down a trail (and touched nothing) hours or days after the fact tells me that there's something to this idea.
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
I think Mythbusters answered this pretty well. They had a guy in a protective suit and boots and everything. The dog smelled him easily. I have heard (for bear hunting at least) to chew mint gum. That hasn't worked so far this year haha. I used to bag my clothes up with vegetation and use special detergent and dryer sheets. I think I felt more confident but I don't think I was fooling anyone or anything else.

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