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Offline Alchase

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2017, 09:45:15 AM »
:twocents: You cant always play the wind.  I take scent control way to seriously, I know that. 

However, I have very high confidence in animals not detecting me, or at least not detecting me enough to be scared off by my scent.   I have very carefully walked through the middle of a feeding elk herd (20 plus animals) in a clear cut in the Winston during early archery with numerous animals inside 20 yards and the closest being 5yds(which I have pictures of).  All was fine until the battery went dead in my camera and it started beeping.  Prior to that,  the animals knew I was there, but they did not feel I posed a threat.  Many more stories like this with elk, deer, and bear, but this one is the best example I think.

In addition to scent control, I think UV control plays a role.  I use Sport Wash and UV killer on all of my clothes.

I will do whatever I can to up my odds.

We hear the argument that the elimination of scent is not possible, so why bother? But what about reduction of scent? If reducing scent fools the deer's nose into thinking you are not a close threat, then maybe it's worth the effort.

I think the issue is if any product sold, actually does as advertised and reduces or eliminates scent.

I have seen no scientific evidence that any work.
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2017, 12:18:48 PM »
Let me 'splain it dis way.  If you are sitting on the sidelines during a game and there are 2 guys that are all sweaty and nasty.  One is using deodorant and the other none.  You will smell the one without far sooner than the guy that is.  Even if there is a breeze the guy without's stank will be much more prevalent and stronger than the other.  Neither smells good but one aint as nasty.  :chuckle:  I think scent control products reduce your smell therefore making the intensity less and travel a shorter distance before becoming diluted I hate to admit it but I have inherited that "old man smell" from my Dad and Grandpa.  When I use scent "eliminating" products, even after a long day of hiking my wife notices a huge difference in the amount of old man funk.  In fact, sometimes she does not smell it at all.  I know an animal has much better sniffer but it does pass the old lady test and that's proof enough for me.   :chuckle:
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2017, 10:53:21 AM »
 :yeah: I understand that you can't eliminate but it might make the deer less alarmed by the human scent if it isn't so strong.
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2017, 12:01:34 PM »
The deer and elk are already on alarm with the wolves, cougar, and bears around

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2017, 02:28:49 PM »
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2017, 04:12:47 PM »
In my experience, I never used to wear any type of scent killer and had a mixed bag of getting busted. Then I started using scent killer and at first it seemed to work at masking my scent for the first few years, before it didnít. I tried different brands at varying levels of application and it seemed like the more I used, the quicker I got busted. I showered with non scented soap, washed my clothes in non scented detergent(my wife has sensitive skin, so all my clothes are washed with non scented detergent), I applied scent killer from the skin to the last layer. Last year, I got busted time and time again until finally I sat in a slash pile in an active logging area(no logging that day) before I finally connected on a good deer. This year I tried a different approach and washed three pairs of clothes two months before the season and sealed them in a plastic bag with pine bows, cedar bows, dirt, and other vegetation from the area I would be hunting. I didnít get busted one time this year. No scent killer, just native vegetation. Animals have much stronger sense of smell than we do and they also adapt very well to their environment. In my case, perhaps there is a marker in the scent killer they have picked up and recognize as a human scent. When I first began using it, it may have worked because it was foreign and not recognizable as human scent. I donít know the right answer, but I will continue this yearís findings until it doesnít seem to work.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2017, 04:21:07 PM »
In my experience, I never used to wear any type of scent killer and had a mixed bag of getting busted. Then I started using scent killer and at first it seemed to work at masking my scent for the first few years, before it didnít. I tried different brands at varying levels of application and it seemed like the more I used, the quicker I got busted. I showered with non scented soap, washed my clothes in non scented detergent(my wife has sensitive skin, so all my clothes are washed with non scented detergent), I applied scent killer from the skin to the last layer. Last year, I got busted time and time again until finally I sat in a slash pile in an active logging area(no logging that day) before I finally connected on a good deer. This year I tried a different approach and washed three pairs of clothes two months before the season and sealed them in a plastic bag with pine bows, cedar bows, dirt, and other vegetation from the area I would be hunting. I didnít get busted one time this year. No scent killer, just native vegetation. Animals have much stronger sense of smell than we do and they also adapt very well to their environment. In my case, perhaps there is a marker in the scent killer they have picked up and recognize as a human scent. When I first began using it, it may have worked because it was foreign and not recognizable as human scent. I donít know the right answer, but I will continue this yearís findings until it doesnít seem to work.

I agree. Each time I sit down for a stand, I try to break a few limbs to get some scent going. I also will stop every once in a while when I am hiking, break off a branch and rub it on me a bit. My one quandary that I have yet to solve is the sweat factor in early season. I wear a scent free anti antiperspirant but that just worked for the armpits but not lower back, chest etc.

I still spray my clothes down but very lightly and from a distance then follow it with a rubbing of pine branches. Seems to work pretty well so far. 
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2017, 04:46:46 PM »
Sent Miller is one of the most ingenious marketing scams ever to get biters money. To funny. Down wind boys, stay down wind

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2017, 12:21:22 AM »
In my experience, I never used to wear any type of scent killer and had a mixed bag of getting busted. Then I started using scent killer and at first it seemed to work at masking my scent for the first few years, before it didnít. I tried different brands at varying levels of application and it seemed like the more I used, the quicker I got busted. I showered with non scented soap, washed my clothes in non scented detergent(my wife has sensitive skin, so all my clothes are washed with non scented detergent), I applied scent killer from the skin to the last layer. Last year, I got busted time and time again until finally I sat in a slash pile in an active logging area(no logging that day) before I finally connected on a good deer. This year I tried a different approach and washed three pairs of clothes two months before the season and sealed them in a plastic bag with pine bows, cedar bows, dirt, and other vegetation from the area I would be hunting. I didnít get busted one time this year. No scent killer, just native vegetation. Animals have much stronger sense of smell than we do and they also adapt very well to their environment. In my case, perhaps there is a marker in the scent killer they have picked up and recognize as a human scent. When I first began using it, it may have worked because it was foreign and not recognizable as human scent. I donít know the right answer, but I will continue this yearís findings until it doesnít seem to work.

I agree. Each time I sit down for a stand, I try to break a few limbs to get some scent going. I also will stop every once in a while when I am hiking, break off a branch and rub it on me a bit. My one quandary that I have yet to solve is the sweat factor in early season. I wear a scent free anti antiperspirant but that just worked for the armpits but not lower back, chest etc.


As explained in the podcast -  heavy body sweat actually decreases scent by trapping skin cells (that would have shed as scent particles) against the body.  Underarm areas are heavily colonized by bacteria that break down sweat and sebaceous secretions into foul smelling smaller molecules - antiperspirants go a long way in stopping the process.  I use these products in my crotch for the same reason - not just because I like it.  :chuckle:
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2017, 04:50:46 AM »
I do use oderless body soap and laundry detergent, but other than that I use the wind.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2017, 03:46:49 PM »
I play the wind as best as I can while hunting but at the same time.. I've killed quite a few blacktails while wearing blue jeans and a carhartt t-shirt lol. I think as long as you play the wind right and keep some cover between you and your target animal until in range you will generally succeed.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2017, 06:53:40 AM »
I still today wash and bag my clothes, shower with a no scent soap, have killed lots of big mature bucks, huge black bears, and elk, in less then 25 yards, can not remember the last time an animal blew out on me, and wind, I try to play with, but it really does not concern me. Last year I was sitting next to big stump watching two trails, wind in my face. And I felt something on my neck, then a sniff. It was a big buck, inches away sniffing me from behind. Maybe I should get those hearing aids, wife keeps telling me I need.... 😏
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2017, 07:41:21 AM »
I have cover scent in a spray bottle. I try to hunt the wind at all times but when hunting the high country it tends to swirl at times. And when I feel it on the back of my neck I spray some scent into the air. I dont like to spray it on my clothes because I cant tell if Im smelling elk or if Im just smelling myself. Rather than buying into all the scents out there baking soda works just fine to get rid of human scent. On that note I dont where my hunting clothes in camp, around the fire or when Im cooking. I bag up my cloths and put fresh cut limbs in with them every night, ( dont tell the FS ) I also put some baking soda in my boots. 
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2017, 08:13:15 AM »
Last year I was sitting next to big stump watching two trails, wind in my face. And I felt something on my neck, then a sniff. It was a big buck, inches away sniffing me from behind. Maybe I should get those hearing aids, wife keeps telling me I need.... 😏

Love it!

 Years ago I was sitting just above a contour deer trail on a mountain side when a blacktail spike came along, dropped his nose to my boots on the edge of the trail and sniffed.  Had you or I been covered in scent free products, neither buck would have discovered us enough to sniff!

And I need the hearing aids as well.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2017, 12:26:21 AM »
what do you smoke Wacky Tabacky?? :chuckle:
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2018, 03:39:57 AM »
I've been on a short term assignment to Florida and in my effort to fast forward my hunting knowledge of the area I started listening to the Down South Hunting podcast.  It's an ok podcast in general, but the last 3 episodes have been really good.  They interviewed two very successful deer hunters from the Midwest.  One that really believes in Scent Control and one that doesn't.  I recommend that all hunters listen to these 3 podcasts.  I listen on Google Play, but attached are links to all 3.

Enjoy

http://www.downsouthhunting.com/down-south-hunting-podcast-episode-013-scent-control-debate-part-1/

http://www.downsouthhunting.com/south-hunting-podcast-episode-014-scent-control-strategy-comparison-w-dan-infalt-john-eberhart-part-2/

http://www.downsouthhunting.com/south-hunting-podcast-episode-015-scent-control-strategy-comparison-w-dan-infalt-john-eberhart-part-3/

OK podcast host here :chuckle:. Seriously, thanks for sharing the scent control podcast we did and I am glad you enjoyed it. I'm hoping most listeners find it more thought provoking than controversial. I saw some traffic from out website coming from here and wanted to stop in and say thanks.

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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2018, 05:37:47 AM »
Welcome its always good to have another perspective on things
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Re: Scent Control Debate
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2018, 11:15:11 AM »
Even my wife is getting in to scent control, she buys this stuff called Pure Drops. I am supposed to add a couple drops in the toilet before I drop a deuce, and it is supposed to "Help" de-stinkify the bathroom.
I did an experiment, I used the drops, did the doodie, the shut the bathroom door without turning on the fan. About 5 minutes later she walks in and care out crying, LOL. She has no sense of humor sometimes.

In truth they do seem to help a bit and eliminate the need for a courtesy flush most times.

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