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Shot my first bear with a bow
« on: September 29, 2017, 11:22:30 AM »
Shot my first bear with a bow last night.

Unfortunately, it was after hours, in my backyard, with my kids' 15 pound bow and target arrows :-).

Came home after a day of hunting where I didn't see anything all day, only to find a bear in my backyard ripping apart my compost pile. It wouldn't leave, so I pulled out my kids' beginner bow and some of their arrows, and let fly. The first arrow went high, but the second bounced off its flank, earning me a dirty look. The third smacked it in the head and it ran off.

Much less satisfying than getting a real bear, but much *more* satisfying than letting it have its way with our compost pile.

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2017, 11:44:26 AM »
HAH.. 

Only thing that could top that is if you used a paintball gun, with pink paintballs..

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2017, 03:25:22 PM »
Hope its just my paranoid mind , but  be careful about multiple hunting law violations advertised on the interweb.

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2017, 03:52:39 PM »
Hope its just my paranoid mind , but  be careful about multiple hunting law violations advertised on the interweb.
copy that...i'm always dumfounded by the amount of illegal activities that get posted on social media websites
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2017, 04:03:35 PM »
Hope its just my paranoid mind , but  be careful about multiple hunting law violations advertised on the interweb.
copy that...i'm always dumfounded by the amount of illegal activities that get posted on social media websites
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2017, 04:10:15 PM »
Hope its just my paranoid mind , but  be careful about multiple hunting law violations advertised on the interweb.
This is sound advice,alot people looking to increase there points for turning people in.

But he could of shot this bear if he felt threated , and sounds like he has kids also,i think what he did was the right thing to do legal or not,by hazeing this bear may keep him from coming back and give the bear a chance at not getting shot next time.

The black bear is classified as a game animal (WAC 232-12-007). A hunting license and open season are required to hunt black bears. A property owner or the owner’s immediate family, employee, or tenant may kill a bear on that property if it is damaging crops or domestic animals. You must notify your local Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) office immediately after taking a black bear in these situations (RCW 77.36.030).
The killing of a black bear in self-defense, or defense of another, should be reasonable and justified. A person taking such action must have reasonable belief that the bear poses a threat of serious physical harm, that this harm is imminent, and the action is the only reasonable available means to prevent that harm.

A bear that won't leave sounds like a threat , :twocents:

I would watch what you post here :twocents:

Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2017, 05:57:23 PM »
Out of curiosity, given that I was explicitly *not* hunting it, didn't injure it, and wasn't trying to, and was just trying to haze it to get it to go away - that's not actually a hunting reg violation, is it? A 15 pound bow with dull target arrows wasn't going to do any more damage than throwing a small rock at it, but it felt like I could do it from a safer distance. (I certainly wasn't *intending* to violate any rules, but if it were actually an unintentional violation, I really would like to know.)

(And FWIW, I do have a bear tag, and if it had been an hour earlier, would probably have taken the shot, with my real bow.)

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2017, 07:10:20 PM »
Don't forget he was baiting it in with his "compost pile". :chuckle: 

I'm kidding!

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2017, 07:30:58 PM »
Don't forget he was baiting it in with his "compost pile". :chuckle: 

I'm kidding!

Wow ,now that's funny,lol :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone say it . :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 08:39:51 AM »
I realize you were just trying to scare the bear off, but do you trust all potential LE that may read this to give you the same benefit of the doubt? Attached below is the definition of "To Hunt" from the regs. So, given that what you did technically meets that definition, violations could include hunting after hours and hunting with illegal equipment.

Using the self defense argument after the fact would be a stretch since if the individual was truly acting in self defense, the hunting bow that meets the minimum draw weight with broadheads would be a more appropriate weapon.

Again, I'm not trying to blast you, and I'm about as pro LE as one can get, but you would be wrong to think there aren't wardens who would try and make this same stretch.

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 09:02:32 AM »
I realize you were just trying to scare the bear off, but do you trust all potential LE that may read this to give you the same benefit of the doubt? Attached below is the definition of "To Hunt" from the regs. So, given that what you did technically meets that definition, violations could include hunting after hours and hunting with illegal equipment.

Using the self defense argument after the fact would be a stretch since if the individual was truly acting in self defense, the hunting bow that meets the minimum draw weight with broadheads would be a more appropriate weapon.

Again, I'm not trying to blast you, and I'm about as pro LE as one can get, but you would be wrong to think there aren't wardens who would try and make this same stretch.
He wasn't hunting, he was hazing an animal to leave his property alone... and was attempting to be humorous about it. I'm thinking this thread is probably going to go south quick :peep:
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2017, 09:31:58 AM »
He was HARMLESSLY teaching a bear a lesson it's no more or no less then swatting your kid on the butt when not behaving

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2017, 10:29:24 AM »
A bear that won't leave your backyard is a threat to you, your family and your property. Taking steps to protect them while using a non-lethal method(kiddy bow) might not be the brightest solution but certainly should be tolerated by a LEO. That said I have seen the WDFW agents write up people for much less who then have to go to court to get a reasonable person(judge) to remove the ridiculous charges.

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 12:34:46 AM »
Good points all, everyone. Thanks for the feedback. The interesting point I didn't realize is that "harass" (which is more-or-less what I did) comes under the definition of "hunting" - that was new information to me. And while I'm confident what I did would be seen by any reasonable person as a reasonable way to get rid of the bear, I can also believe that there are LEO's out there who wouldn't qualify as reasonable. I'll be careful about what I post. Sounds like there are plenty of folks here who've had more experience in that arena than I have (which is, of course, one of the main reasons for hanging out on forums like this - to learn).

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 06:21:04 AM »
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I think it was a great story, BTW.     

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2017, 06:30:57 AM »
It is a great story. However, were it mine, I'd have the post removed. And please don't mistake the concern of fellow forum members as internet bashing. It's quite possible you've posted the breaking of several wildlife laws - hunting after hours, wildlife harassment, shooting a bow at big game with under 40 lbs, attempted poaching. Consider taking this down. Have a good day.
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2017, 07:54:35 AM »
Great story but as the other posters pointed out and are right is that there are many unreasonable leos that may see your situation as breaking laws.
It's terrible that we've gotten to this point that you can't even do what you did and that it could be interpreted  as violations.
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2017, 08:10:26 AM »
So when does a bear in your backyard become a threat,I think this would be my question for Leo.Cause are you really harassing a bear once it becomes a threat :dunno: or does it fall into the self defence part of the law.These are all questions that we would like to know,and everbody has a different answer or opinion,that must be respected,But these would be good questions for LEO.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2017, 08:24:19 AM »
So when does a bear in your backyard become a threat,I think this would be my question for Leo.Cause are you really harassing a bear once it becomes a threat :dunno: or does it fall into the self defence part of the law.These are all questions that we would like to know,and everbody has a different answer or opinion,that must be respected,But these would be good questions for LEO.

When? When you hit it with an arrow from a 15 lb bow????  :chuckle:
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2017, 08:38:07 AM »
So when does a bear in your backyard become a threat,I think this would be my question for Leo.Cause are you really harassing a bear once it becomes a threat :dunno: or does it fall into the self defence part of the law.These are all questions that we would like to know,and everbody has a different answer or opinion,that must be respected,But these would be good questions for LEO.

When? When you hit it with an arrow from a 15 lb bow????  :chuckle:

I was thinking maybe hungry bear on a compost pile,I don't think I'm getting between a bear and a food source.Would it be different if he used a sling shot,bb gun,bear spray,what do you do if you don't have bear spray,let the bear charge you,your dog,your kid,before it become a threat.Like I said everybody got different opinions.but the only one that matters is a Leo.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2017, 08:48:34 AM »
I don't doubt that a sour LEO or attorney wouldn't argue otherwise, but I can't imagine that what they OP did could possibly qualify as harassment.  The bear was destroying his property.

If the bear had just been sitting there or wandering through his back yard, I could see poking it with kiddy arrows being called harassment.  But an action taken to prevent an animal from damaging your property...  I just can't see how any judge would uphold that as harassment. 

[Edited to take back the statement of it not being self-defense after thinking about it a little more.  It's probably self-defense since RCW 9A.16.110(1) includes protecting property.  The question would only be if shooting kiddy arrows is a "reasonable means necessary" to stop the action.]
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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2017, 08:50:26 AM »
Like I said everybody got different opinions.but the only one that matters is a Leo.
Not that a LEO can't cause a big headache, but thankfully the only one with an opinion that matters is a judge.

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2017, 08:53:42 AM »
A bear just being in your back yard is a threat. Doesn't matter what the bear is doing; pooping, eating, scratching, hunting, etc. There are enough videos here that show what a bear does in taking down a fawn. Now replace that fawn with a potential child. Yosemite chases the bears away with rubber bullets. They hopefully do this BEFORE someone becomes a bear statistic. Doing the same for your family is appropriate.

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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2017, 08:54:40 AM »
Like I said everybody got different opinions.but the only one that matters is a Leo.
Not that a LEO can't cause a big headache, but thankfully the only one with an opinion that matters is a judge.

I'd have 12 opinions of my peers. before I had a single opinion of a judge  :dunno:


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Re: Shot my first bear with a bow
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2017, 08:59:30 AM »
I'd have 12 opinions of my peers. before I had a single opinion of a judge  :dunno:

I don't know enough about the legal system to know if this would be a jury trail, or just the judge's call.  There are plenty of issues that are settled without a jury. 

Personally, especially in Washington, I'd rather have a judge than 12 people who may-or-may not think bears are cute and cuddly and shooting them with arrows is mean.

 

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