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Slug gun hunters: few questions
« on: September 30, 2017, 05:26:11 PM »
Ok I am thinking about picking up a slug gun, why? I don't have one and there is a few hunts I think I could have fun using one.

So with optics what is a guy looking at for a good range. 150-200 yards pretty doable? Deer sized game.
I know the numbers are fine but want some real life feedback.

I am looking at Winchester xp3 and bonded slugs. The Remington slugs and federal trophy slugs.
Anyone put any of these into critters?

thanks for any feedback.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 06:50:43 PM »
We Used the mossberg 12 gage atf rifled barrel guns in Iowa with Xp3 slugs.  Slugs were good to 200 yards.  Son took a nice buck offhand at 185.   Rifled barrel Shotguns are very picky with their ammo.  The Xp3's shot well the others were all over the place.  Just need to try different ammo. 

200 is very doable. 

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 06:57:55 PM »
300 is the new 200.  With a rifled barrel and using the Hornady sabot SST slugs, 200 is well within range.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 07:55:33 PM »
300 is the new 200.  With a rifled barrel and using the Hornady sabot SST slugs, 200 is well within range.

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I put a rifled barrel on my Mossberg 500 and it shot like a rifle with the above mentioned loads really good accuracy from an inexpensive setup  :twocents:
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 09:34:55 PM »
I'm running my Winchester sx2 with a rifled barrel and a Vortex Diamondback 1.75x5 and using Hornady SST FTx 300 gr. Sighted in really well. Gonna put it to work for my Illinois gun hunt.

Not a fan of the federal slugs although the vital shocks grouped fine, the Remington Accutips shot ok, Winchester partion golds have a strong following and shot well out of my gun.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2017, 01:32:09 AM »
Thx guy and keep it coming.

The partions are on the list to just forgot to post  them. I have killed many animals with partitions already so figured they  would be good to go if the gun likes them.

Now what about 20g. I am of course thinking 12 but there is some decent 20g rifles out there less expensive and the same ammo just a little lighter bullets.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2017, 08:56:16 AM »
A 20 ga setup limits you t just deer.  If you wanted elk, you'd have to get a second gun.
But 20 ga slugs work great on deer.  Just to show that a 20 is plenty, .410 slugs work pretty good too--.410 slugs were real popular for bang sticks for fish.  So, if they will blow through really big fish then a 20 will do it a little better.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 09:09:24 AM »
Most of our slug deer have been brought down by a 20g, current slug gun is a Mossberg 500.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2017, 09:23:16 AM »
Go 20 gauge for deer unless you anticipate wanting to use the gun for elk also.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2017, 10:07:56 AM »
Yeah got thinking about it and it may find a way into a short range elk hunt at some point to in Idaho or westside jungle some time.

I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.

I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2017, 06:29:15 PM »
I don't understand the restriction of no 20g for elk, they are certainly as powerful as any 50 caliber muzzleloader, aren't they?   :dunno:

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2017, 07:16:59 PM »
Yeah got thinking about it and it may find a way into a short range elk hunt at some point to in Idaho or westside jungle some time.

I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.

I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.
A more likely scenario is hunting elk in a firearm restriction area. That's been the primary use of my 12 gauge slug gun for elk.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2017, 07:22:34 PM »
That could happen for sure. I see a Idaho short range hunt I might hit the end of the month. If I can kill a elk here in the muzzle season.

I'm excited to get it up and running. Might even try to get my brother to thump a deer with it in mod. Going to be a good close range thumper I think :IBCOOL:
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2017, 07:30:10 PM »
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.

I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 07:33:54 PM »
Thumper for sure, I hit a quartering away whitetail in '03 that three shots in roughly the same spot because he kept getting up. Put a hedge apple through the entry hole and exits were slightly different angle but silver dollars coming out the off side. Bonus was little ruined meat and only had half a field dressing job to worry about. Wish I could find those picks.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 07:42:50 PM »
Yeah got thinking about it and it may find a way into a short range elk hunt at some point to in Idaho or westside jungle some time.

I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.

I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.


How good was the close out deal on the A bolt??
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2017, 07:51:33 PM »
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.

I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.

I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2017, 08:06:59 PM »
Yeah got thinking about it and it may find a way into a short range elk hunt at some point to in Idaho or westside jungle some time.

I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.

I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.

How good was the close out deal on the A bolt??

Cost me 499 delivered. There is a few places that have them for about 570.00 delivered but one of the wholesalers put them on clearance and I decided what the heck. Mine is just the base they have the wood and camo model on clearance as well.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2017, 08:21:05 PM »
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.

I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.

I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.

Bob, I'm obviously not the one that would be able to and I've argued the same. Anything I could contribute would be subjective. He laughed in my face when I suggested a rifled slug was a good way to go close qtrs. against a grizz.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2017, 08:29:54 PM »
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.

I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.

I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.

Bob, I'm obviously not the one that would be able to and I've argued the same. Anything I could contribute would be subjective. He laughed in my face when I suggested a rifled slug was a good way to go close qtrs. against a grizz.
I can say this with certainty: the 12 gauge slug guns I've shot kick like a mule going backwards. Ouch!
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2017, 08:41:16 PM »
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.

I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.

I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.

Bob, I'm obviously not the one that would be able to and I've argued the same. Anything I could contribute would be subjective. He laughed in my face when I suggested a rifled slug was a good way to go close qtrs. against a grizz.
One of the guys I know that had to kill a big grizz used a 12 gauge slug.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2017, 08:54:04 PM »
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.

I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.

Muzzy sabot and a 12 ga sabot in like weight have very simular velocity. I just don't see how a muzzy will kill any better than a 12ga slug gun? Thousands of elk are killed every year with a 243 or 270 or even a bow and arrow. I have a 12 ga slugster and would not hesitate to pull the trigger on a bull at 200 yards! Now at 200 yards that's only 1100 pounds of energy but if it's behind the shoulder it's a dead elk.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2017, 08:54:40 PM »
Lol Bob, the 110 fffg w/ 300 gr sabot I'm running out of the ML honestly makes that recoil feel like a school girl's slap. Not that I've ever experienced one of those... I've shot a lot this summer and I'm telling everybody, 6 of those ML loads on a green shoulder will leave a sweet bruise.

Jimmy, most of what I've read also suggests a rifled 12 sabot at close range is the right tool. It's what I carry myself.

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2017, 09:14:34 AM »
I shoot Deerslayer or Deerslayer II and Lightfield Hybrid Elite slugs.  IMHO the most accurate slug gun out there   

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2017, 09:56:44 AM »
I've shot several elk with a 12 ga. using riffled slugs.  They did the job but I wasn't super impressed with the penetration on one.  I had hit the shoulder and that may be why but it broke that shoulder and the bull didn't go far.  My 50 and 54 cals.  with Maxi Balls always penetrate a lot better IMO.

Slug barreled guns are better but I've killed a lot of deer with my smooth bore and found the key to accuracy is taking the time to bench shoot the gun to find out where it's hitting. It's never straight down the sights but it's the same place every time.  Bench shooting while shooting a slug is kind of miserable because, as said above, they really do kick like a mule.

 

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