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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2017, 10:48:20 AM »
My son and I shoot a break-action H&R 20g slug gun topped with a Leupold

I've tried several ammo types:

I preferred the Hornady SST, but they KICKED  :yike:  Muzzle velocity is 1800 and the boy didn't enjoy shooting it  :chuckle:  When my son started hunting he was only 10 and weighed about 85#.
Tried Winchester, but didn't like the groups. Settled on Remington Copper Solid. Main reason, less muzzle velocity of 1200, which translated to less recoil yet still accurate

Never have understood why 20ga isn't legal for elk. Yes elk are larger, but we harvested 5 blacktail over the last 3 seasons and every shot was a thru & thru. The solid copper slug wasn't stopped by shoulders, vertebrae, leg or jaw( @Lokidog )   :chuckle:
My son even took a quartering front shot and it entered just behind the shoulder(about 1.5" too far right) and exited out the opposite rear after breaking a rib & vertebrae. The longest shot taken was 118yds.

Now that he is almost 15, stands 5'-8 1/2" and about 125# it's time to change ammo. Also looking for more expansion.
They don't make Winchester XP3 in 20ga, so testing the Hornady SST and Remington Accutip and I may try the Lightfield if one of these don't impress

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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2017, 11:31:33 AM »
I've shot several elk with a 12 ga. using riffled slugs.  They did the job but I wasn't super impressed with the penetration on one.  I had hit the shoulder and that may be why but it broke that shoulder and the bull didn't go far.  My 50 and 54 cals.  with Maxi Balls always penetrate a lot better IMO.

Slug barreled guns are better but I've killed a lot of deer with my smooth bore and found the key to accuracy is taking the time to bench shoot the gun to find out where it's hitting. It's never straight down the sights but it's the same place every time.  Bench shooting while shooting a slug is kind of miserable because, as said above, they really do kick like a mule.

Lightfield Commanders will penetrate practically anything short of cold rolled steel.  Hastings Laser Accurates (now Rotweil https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2014/1/24/rottweil-laser-plus-sabot-slugs/ ) will do the same.  They are lousy on deer because they zip through and do not transfer a lot of energy leaving the deer to run off.  Lightfield Hybrid Elites will usually take a deer straight off it's feet.   There are photos of recovered slugs of both types in the link I provided up  above in this thread. 
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 11:40:47 AM »
I've used several different slugs. I like the Remington Accutips in both 12 and 20 gauges: 12 for elk, and 20 for deer. I'll see if I can find a 12 gauge Accutip that I recovered from an elk and share a photo: Remington should pay me for it to use in their ads because of perfect expansion. The SSTs are OK for deer but I wouldn't use them on elk as they're quite frangible. I killed an elk with a Copper Solid once, and it looked just like it did before firing: it didn't expand at all. The fact that I recovered it from a dead elk would be a strong case for acceptable performance, however. ;)
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2017, 12:30:45 PM »
Im not much on Nikon but after reading about 100 4.5+ star reviews I decided to give one a go and ordered the slug gun hunter 3-9 with the DOA 200 reticle. We shall see how it holds up.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2017, 12:44:41 PM »
Im not much on Nikon but after reading about 100 4.5+ star reviews I decided to give one a go and ordered the slug gun hunter 3-9 with the DOA 200 reticle. We shall see how it holds up.
I have Nikons on both my 12 and 20, and have had no issues.

If you have one, use a Lead Sled to zero the gun. ;)
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2017, 11:04:55 PM »
I do indeed. I don't use it much but I may have to pattern testing 4 different brands of ammo.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2017, 08:08:27 PM »
Im not much on Nikon but after reading about 100 4.5+ star reviews I decided to give one a go and ordered the slug gun hunter 3-9 with the DOA 200 reticle. We shall see how it holds up.
I have Nikons on both my 12 and 20, and have had no issues.

If you have one, use a Lead Sled to zero the gun. ;)

Has that 200 reticle been pretty spot on good for you?
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2017, 08:13:06 PM »
I can vouch for widgeondeke and his boy slaying some deer with that 20 gauge...I sold it to him! Great shooter and jazzed they put it to use.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2017, 08:21:12 PM »
Im not much on Nikon but after reading about 100 4.5+ star reviews I decided to give one a go and ordered the slug gun hunter 3-9 with the DOA 200 reticle. We shall see how it holds up.
I have Nikons on both my 12 and 20, and have had no issues.

If you have one, use a Lead Sled to zero the gun. ;)

Has that 200 reticle been pretty spot on good for you?
I've honestly never tested it. The furthest shot I've taken on elk was 140 yards.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2017, 09:08:28 AM »
Gotcha. Should be fun stuff.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2017, 09:09:35 AM »
Gotcha. Should be fun stuff.
My personal opinion is that if I have to rely on holdover reticles for an elk, it's too far to shoot with a slug. :twocents:
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2017, 09:11:56 AM »
I think the cross hair is for 50 yards. first circle on that thing is for 75 yards then the next 100 etc?
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2017, 08:48:51 PM »
I think the cross hair is for 50 yards. first circle on that thing is for 75 yards then the next 100 etc?
I'd zero it at 100 or maybe an inch or two high. I think you will be Point Blank Range out to 175 yards or so.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2017, 06:20:45 PM »
I've used several different slugs. I like the Remington Accutips in both 12 and 20 gauges: 12 for elk, and 20 for deer. I'll see if I can find a 12 gauge Accutip that I recovered from an elk and share a photo: Remington should pay me for it to use in their ads because of perfect expansion.

Second this vote for accutips.
In 12 ga they go right through, leaving a solid blood trail, and still have plenty of energy to put holes in trees.
That one was a blacktail at 85 yards.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2017, 06:24:43 PM »
Thanks guys. The gun and ammo is here. My scope is still in the mail. I am chasing elk with a smoke pole this week so don't know if I will get it setup for modern but maybe I will grab a late season Idaho shot range tag if I can kill a elk here.
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Re: Slug gun hunters: few questions
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2017, 11:37:38 PM »
well scope showed today but the browning rings that I bought that are build for it wont hold the Nikon scope. The main tube is not long enough and the scope bells sit on the rings :bash: So dug around and robbed a vx hog 1-4 leupold off another rifle. It fits but a little under scoped. I looked around and ordered a dnz one piece mount tonight. Hoping it will let me use the Nikon slug scope. Guess we shall see.
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