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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #175 on: October 26, 2017, 08:53:14 PM »
I'm sticking with my "yes" vote.

This year, in the farmlands we hunt, I saw 3 of the biggest deer I've ever seen, one was taken by a member in our party. Winter must not have been to bad. While I never have been a trophy hunter, the larger more mature bucks are the way things should be. Knowing these guys are able to breed year in and year out benefits the herd, the hunters, and puts just that much more meat in my freezer. I loved seeing these big bucks around, made me think there was hope of something other than the smaller 3pt basket type bucks we tend to get. Generally our group goes 3 for 5 at least, this year it was 1 for 5, although it should have been 2 for 5, but that's a story in ethics for another time.

Now, anyone have a late blacktail spot they want to share with me?  :tung: :chuckle:


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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #176 on: October 26, 2017, 09:15:00 PM »
Thatís one hell of an attitude :rolleyes:
just being honest....lol


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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #177 on: October 26, 2017, 09:46:58 PM »
It is real simple. Add population, reduce habitat, add wolves, restrict cougar and bear hunting methods and you will be very disappointed with an unlimited over the counter tag system. Weather you are a trophy hunter or an opportunity hunter. You will be mostly just be camping....O, then you won't need your guns either, so now they have a reason to take them away.....Give it 5 more years and see how you feel then. This state is going to be forced to go to a Nevada style limited draw for everyone....just reality and IMO the best thing that can happen..

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #178 on: October 27, 2017, 02:59:18 PM »
I think one of the biggest problems is how well the deer have learned to read (lol)  Mule deer around my place are doing quite well, but they are very careful to stay behind the "no hunting " or "no trespassing" signs. Seriously, the amount of property that has been put off limits either due to straight no trespassing or "leased for hunting" has grown tremendously over the past few years. This privatization has served to squeeze more hunters into the open ground and provided a safe sanctuary for the deer.  I could have taken a couple of pictures during the hunt this year of nice bucks standing right behind "no hunting" signs, almost seemed like they were mocking the hunters that went by. Kind of off the thread topic, but I see this loss of ground as becoming as big a problem as the diminishing herds.  Around us the herd is doing well, but does'nt do much good if you can't get at em. Seems more and more across the west the only herds that are doing well are those that are located near or in large tracks of off limit ground. (of course the predators can't read as well as the deer, so it doesn't solve that problem)

As far as the Methow goes even the local deer herd is a mere shadow of what it once was, many have said including myself that it was nothing to see a hundred or more deer in all the fields all up and down the valley in August and September, heck all summer for that matter. Yes more and more land is being posted, fenced, habitat is shrinking with the influx of more and more people, is this the cause of the destruction of  this once strong and healthy herd?...its a contributor for sure but there is a lot more factors that have devastated this herd I,m afraid. Those tracts of posted land, private property that you mentioned are the only deer some folks seen over there this year, I talked to many that spent the whole season over there and the only deer they seen were the town deer and the yard pets, and their numbers are even in the toilet, a real shame.... :twocents:

For the last ten years or so there have been more deer bedding down next to rural homes etc., the reason is they have less fear of people then they do the predators. There would be far fewer deer if they did not have this protection against the predators.

Early summer when the whitetail does were having fawns, on two separate occasions we ran a wolf off, that was after the fawn/fawns. Talk to locals and they will tell you that seeing wolves is no big deal anymore, and then ask around about all the cougar sightings.

I know of four nice bucks that were taken during modern rifle that were town bucks. Those who claim because of homes there are less deer is false, in actuality it is just the opposite.

I think we have seen the last of migrating deer, there just isn't any left to migrate.

Not so my friend, I saw more deer this year than last year in my area, and itís all migrating deer I hunt. But I do agree the Mule deer are in a decline in Washington. Just hope for mild winters, and some predator relief.  :twocents:

But the moose numbers were really low compared to previous years, and wolf sign ways way up.  :bash:


I wish you were right, I truly do.

But I don't see that happening, what I see is the town deer and farm land mulies, plus the white tail being the last of the deer to survive mainly because they don't migrate, they live in back yards etc. where they have protection from the wolves and other predators.

I believe we are now seeing the beginning of the end.  Sad deal.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #179 on: October 27, 2017, 04:21:57 PM »
I think one of the biggest problems is how well the deer have learned to read (lol)  Mule deer around my place are doing quite well, but they are very careful to stay behind the "no hunting " or "no trespassing" signs. Seriously, the amount of property that has been put off limits either due to straight no trespassing or "leased for hunting" has grown tremendously over the past few years. This privatization has served to squeeze more hunters into the open ground and provided a safe sanctuary for the deer.  I could have taken a couple of pictures during the hunt this year of nice bucks standing right behind "no hunting" signs, almost seemed like they were mocking the hunters that went by. Kind of off the thread topic, but I see this loss of ground as becoming as big a problem as the diminishing herds.  Around us the herd is doing well, but does'nt do much good if you can't get at em. Seems more and more across the west the only herds that are doing well are those that are located near or in large tracks of off limit ground. (of course the predators can't read as well as the deer, so it doesn't solve that problem)

As far as the Methow goes even the local deer herd is a mere shadow of what it once was, many have said including myself that it was nothing to see a hundred or more deer in all the fields all up and down the valley in August and September, heck all summer for that matter. Yes more and more land is being posted, fenced, habitat is shrinking with the influx of more and more people, is this the cause of the destruction of  this once strong and healthy herd?...its a contributor for sure but there is a lot more factors that have devastated this herd I,m afraid. Those tracts of posted land, private property that you mentioned are the only deer some folks seen over there this year, I talked to many that spent the whole season over there and the only deer they seen were the town deer and the yard pets, and their numbers are even in the toilet, a real shame.... :twocents:

For the last ten years or so there have been more deer bedding down next to rural homes etc., the reason is they have less fear of people then they do the predators. There would be far fewer deer if they did not have this protection against the predators.

Early summer when the whitetail does were having fawns, on two separate occasions we ran a wolf off, that was after the fawn/fawns. Talk to locals and they will tell you that seeing wolves is no big deal anymore, and then ask around about all the cougar sightings.

I know of four nice bucks that were taken during modern rifle that were town bucks. Those who claim because of homes there are less deer is false, in actuality it is just the opposite.

I think we have seen the last of migrating deer, there just isn't any left to migrate.

Not so my friend, I saw more deer this year than last year in my area, and itís all migrating deer I hunt. But I do agree the Mule deer are in a decline in Washington. Just hope for mild winters, and some predator relief.  :twocents:

But the moose numbers were really low compared to previous years, and wolf sign ways way up.  :bash:


I wish you were right, I truly do.

But I don't see that happening, what I see is the town deer and farm land mulies, plus the white tail being the last of the deer to survive mainly because they don't migrate, they live in back yards etc. where they have protection from the wolves and other predators.

I believe we are now seeing the beginning of the end.  Sad deal.
You have incorrectly predicted so many "ends" I have lost count.   
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #180 on: October 27, 2017, 07:28:40 PM »
I think one of the biggest problems is how well the deer have learned to read (lol)  Mule deer around my place are doing quite well, but they are very careful to stay behind the "no hunting " or "no trespassing" signs. Seriously, the amount of property that has been put off limits either due to straight no trespassing or "leased for hunting" has grown tremendously over the past few years. This privatization has served to squeeze more hunters into the open ground and provided a safe sanctuary for the deer.  I could have taken a couple of pictures during the hunt this year of nice bucks standing right behind "no hunting" signs, almost seemed like they were mocking the hunters that went by. Kind of off the thread topic, but I see this loss of ground as becoming as big a problem as the diminishing herds.  Around us the herd is doing well, but does'nt do much good if you can't get at em. Seems more and more across the west the only herds that are doing well are those that are located near or in large tracks of off limit ground. (of course the predators can't read as well as the deer, so it doesn't solve that problem)

As far as the Methow goes even the local deer herd is a mere shadow of what it once was, many have said including myself that it was nothing to see a hundred or more deer in all the fields all up and down the valley in August and September, heck all summer for that matter. Yes more and more land is being posted, fenced, habitat is shrinking with the influx of more and more people, is this the cause of the destruction of  this once strong and healthy herd?...its a contributor for sure but there is a lot more factors that have devastated this herd I,m afraid. Those tracts of posted land, private property that you mentioned are the only deer some folks seen over there this year, I talked to many that spent the whole season over there and the only deer they seen were the town deer and the yard pets, and their numbers are even in the toilet, a real shame.... :twocents:

For the last ten years or so there have been more deer bedding down next to rural homes etc., the reason is they have less fear of people then they do the predators. There would be far fewer deer if they did not have this protection against the predators.

Early summer when the whitetail does were having fawns, on two separate occasions we ran a wolf off, that was after the fawn/fawns. Talk to locals and they will tell you that seeing wolves is no big deal anymore, and then ask around about all the cougar sightings.

I know of four nice bucks that were taken during modern rifle that were town bucks. Those who claim because of homes there are less deer is false, in actuality it is just the opposite.

I think we have seen the last of migrating deer, there just isn't any left to migrate.

Not so my friend, I saw more deer this year than last year in my area, and itís all migrating deer I hunt. But I do agree the Mule deer are in a decline in Washington. Just hope for mild winters, and some predator relief.  :twocents:

But the moose numbers were really low compared to previous years, and wolf sign ways way up.  :bash:


I wish you were right, I truly do.

But I don't see that happening, what I see is the town deer and farm land mulies, plus the white tail being the last of the deer to survive mainly because they don't migrate, they live in back yards etc. where they have protection from the wolves and other predators.

I believe we are now seeing the beginning of the end.  Sad deal.
You have incorrectly predicted so many "ends" I have lost count.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #181 on: October 29, 2017, 09:46:38 PM »
I think one of the biggest problems is how well the deer have learned to read (lol)  Mule deer around my place are doing quite well, but they are very careful to stay behind the "no hunting " or "no trespassing" signs. Seriously, the amount of property that has been put off limits either due to straight no trespassing or "leased for hunting" has grown tremendously over the past few years. This privatization has served to squeeze more hunters into the open ground and provided a safe sanctuary for the deer.  I could have taken a couple of pictures during the hunt this year of nice bucks standing right behind "no hunting" signs, almost seemed like they were mocking the hunters that went by. Kind of off the thread topic, but I see this loss of ground as becoming as big a problem as the diminishing herds.  Around us the herd is doing well, but does'nt do much good if you can't get at em. Seems more and more across the west the only herds that are doing well are those that are located near or in large tracks of off limit ground. (of course the predators can't read as well as the deer, so it doesn't solve that problem)

As far as the Methow goes even the local deer herd is a mere shadow of what it once was, many have said including myself that it was nothing to see a hundred or more deer in all the fields all up and down the valley in August and September, heck all summer for that matter. Yes more and more land is being posted, fenced, habitat is shrinking with the influx of more and more people, is this the cause of the destruction of  this once strong and healthy herd?...its a contributor for sure but there is a lot more factors that have devastated this herd I,m afraid. Those tracts of posted land, private property that you mentioned are the only deer some folks seen over there this year, I talked to many that spent the whole season over there and the only deer they seen were the town deer and the yard pets, and their numbers are even in the toilet, a real shame.... :twocents:

For the last ten years or so there have been more deer bedding down next to rural homes etc., the reason is they have less fear of people then they do the predators. There would be far fewer deer if they did not have this protection against the predators.

Early summer when the whitetail does were having fawns, on two separate occasions we ran a wolf off, that was after the fawn/fawns. Talk to locals and they will tell you that seeing wolves is no big deal anymore, and then ask around about all the cougar sightings.

I know of four nice bucks that were taken during modern rifle that were town bucks. Those who claim because of homes there are less deer is false, in actuality it is just the opposite.

I think we have seen the last of migrating deer, there just isn't any left to migrate.

Not so my friend, I saw more deer this year than last year in my area, and itís all migrating deer I hunt. But I do agree the Mule deer are in a decline in Washington. Just hope for mild winters, and some predator relief.  :twocents:

But the moose numbers were really low compared to previous years, and wolf sign ways way up.  :bash:


I wish you were right, I truly do.

But I don't see that happening, what I see is the town deer and farm land mulies, plus the white tail being the last of the deer to survive mainly because they don't migrate, they live in back yards etc. where they have protection from the wolves and other predators.

I believe we are now seeing the beginning of the end.  Sad deal.

Could it be you are only seeing deer there because that's where you're looking? Up elk hunting this weekend I think I cut my first wolf track and also saw my normal number of mule deer and elk. I didn't see any backyard deer or whitetails.

Now that's not the story all across the state but it's what I saw.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #182 on: October 30, 2017, 09:07:39 AM »
Your right Jpmiller, the Methow herd unfortunately is in a whole other level of hurt.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #183 on: October 30, 2017, 10:08:14 AM »
I say the wdfw opens hound hunting back up for bear and cougar because really how many people are gonna be able to sneak on a cat or a bear that is destined to kill and survive so I say let the hounds run first

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #184 on: October 30, 2017, 10:31:19 AM »
I think one of the biggest problems is how well the deer have learned to read (lol)  Mule deer around my place are doing quite well, but they are very careful to stay behind the "no hunting " or "no trespassing" signs. Seriously, the amount of property that has been put off limits either due to straight no trespassing or "leased for hunting" has grown tremendously over the past few years. This privatization has served to squeeze more hunters into the open ground and provided a safe sanctuary for the deer.  I could have taken a couple of pictures during the hunt this year of nice bucks standing right behind "no hunting" signs, almost seemed like they were mocking the hunters that went by. Kind of off the thread topic, but I see this loss of ground as becoming as big a problem as the diminishing herds.  Around us the herd is doing well, but does'nt do much good if you can't get at em. Seems more and more across the west the only herds that are doing well are those that are located near or in large tracks of off limit ground. (of course the predators can't read as well as the deer, so it doesn't solve that problem)

As far as the Methow goes even the local deer herd is a mere shadow of what it once was, many have said including myself that it was nothing to see a hundred or more deer in all the fields all up and down the valley in August and September, heck all summer for that matter. Yes more and more land is being posted, fenced, habitat is shrinking with the influx of more and more people, is this the cause of the destruction of  this once strong and healthy herd?...its a contributor for sure but there is a lot more factors that have devastated this herd I,m afraid. Those tracts of posted land, private property that you mentioned are the only deer some folks seen over there this year, I talked to many that spent the whole season over there and the only deer they seen were the town deer and the yard pets, and their numbers are even in the toilet, a real shame.... :twocents:

For the last ten years or so there have been more deer bedding down next to rural homes etc., the reason is they have less fear of people then they do the predators. There would be far fewer deer if they did not have this protection against the predators.

Early summer when the whitetail does were having fawns, on two separate occasions we ran a wolf off, that was after the fawn/fawns. Talk to locals and they will tell you that seeing wolves is no big deal anymore, and then ask around about all the cougar sightings.

I know of four nice bucks that were taken during modern rifle that were town bucks. Those who claim because of homes there are less deer is false, in actuality it is just the opposite.

I think we have seen the last of migrating deer, there just isn't any left to migrate.

Not so my friend, I saw more deer this year than last year in my area, and itís all migrating deer I hunt. But I do agree the Mule deer are in a decline in Washington. Just hope for mild winters, and some predator relief.  :twocents:

But the moose numbers were really low compared to previous years, and wolf sign ways way up.  :bash:


I wish you were right, I truly do.

But I don't see that happening, what I see is the town deer and farm land mulies, plus the white tail being the last of the deer to survive mainly because they don't migrate, they live in back yards etc. where they have protection from the wolves and other predators.

I believe we are now seeing the beginning of the end.  Sad deal.

Could it be you are only seeing deer there because that's where you're looking? Up elk hunting this weekend I think I cut my first wolf track and also saw my normal number of mule deer and elk. I didn't see any backyard deer or whitetails.

Now that's not the story all across the state but it's what I saw.

I think the Methow is an example of what the rest of the state will look like if strict predator control is not implemented. Look at the Yellowstone and Lolo elk herd as an example.

You might not see it where you hunt now, but if wolves are hitting the herds the outcome will be the same. :twocents:

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #185 on: November 02, 2017, 05:26:35 PM »
I say the wdfw opens hound hunting back up for bear and cougar because really how many people are gonna be able to sneak on a cat or a bear that is destined to kill and survive so I say let the hounds run first

I wish it was that simple, but its a great thought :tup:

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« Reply #186 on: November 02, 2017, 07:32:47 PM »
It will be interesting to see the late tag guys post in the next couple weeks.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #187 on: November 05, 2017, 02:32:45 PM »
I say the wdfw opens hound hunting back up for bear and cougar because really how many people are gonna be able to sneak on a cat or a bear that is destined to kill and survive so I say let the hounds run first

For Cougar maybe but I don't see the point in using hounds for bear. I've been successful almost every year when actually putting in the time to hunt Black bears.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #188 on: November 06, 2017, 06:54:09 PM »
Predators are a hugeeeee problem. Also, If people stopped shooting the first young deer they see.....

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« Reply #189 on: December 01, 2017, 08:19:22 PM »
 Now that the season is ended, I'm wondering how many may have a different view?
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #190 on: December 01, 2017, 08:26:02 PM »
I voted no when first started,without predator mangement,it won't help ,we need both.I just don't like permit system ,it's a cash cow for wdfw .All we need is to reward there mismangement with more money to piss to the wind. More regs,more predator mangement,more otc tags. :twocents:
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #191 on: December 01, 2017, 08:33:43 PM »
I voted no when first started,without predator mangement,it won't help ,we need both.I just don't like permit system ,it's a cash cow for wdfw .All we need is to reward there mismangement with more money to piss to the wind. More regs,more predator mangement,more otc tags. :twocents:

 Herds be damned huh? That's a great attitude.

 Since WDFW won't do their job and allow more predator control, you're okay with wiping out what's left..........another brilliant post! :bash:
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #192 on: December 01, 2017, 08:43:28 PM »
I voted no when first started,without predator mangement,it won't help ,we need both.I just don't like permit system ,it's a cash cow for wdfw .All we need is to reward there mismangement with more money to piss to the wind. More regs,more predator mangement,more otc tags. :twocents:

 Herds be damned huh? That's a great attitude.

 Since WDFW won't do their job and allow more predator control, you're okay with wiping out what's left..........another brilliant post! :bash:

So what's your life changeing plan ?

Permits will only help so much,without predator mangement.
Why do you think it has not gone permit already ,cause wdfw will let it get wiped out to sell as many otc,before the permit starts.
When it comes to management of wildlife there's a bill to pay and I already give them enough money.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #193 on: December 01, 2017, 08:48:08 PM »
phool, I have to say again, I really like your every other year idea :tup:....

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #194 on: December 01, 2017, 08:51:58 PM »
I voted no when first started,without predator mangement,it won't help ,we need both.I just don't like permit system ,it's a cash cow for wdfw .All we need is to reward there mismangement with more money to piss to the wind. More regs,more predator mangement,more otc tags. :twocents:

 Herds be damned huh? That's a great attitude.

 Since WDFW won't do their job and allow more predator control, you're okay with wiping out what's left..........another brilliant post! :bash:

So what's your life changeing plan ?

Permits will only help so much,without predator mangement.
Why do you think it has not gone permit already ,cause wdfw will let it get wiped out to sell as many otc,before the permit starts.
When it comes to management of wildlife there's a bill to pay and I already give them enough money.

 How about you point out the post where I suggested paying more money for less opportunity.

 Your posts show your selfish attitude, unfortunately it's shared by several members on this site. You admit that a permit system would help, but you are not for it unless it's combined with WDFW pulling their heads out of their collective ars's and increasing predator harvest.

 In a nutshell, you once again made my previous point.......the herds be damned unless you get what you want........we all got it.. :tup:
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #195 on: December 01, 2017, 09:07:17 PM »
Ok just my op here ok,Lets slow down and start from the basics.
There are a few things that could be done we all agree on that.Some things have not even been brought up.We need real transparency in order to give real helpful input on this subject.

How many non resident tags are sold/success rate?

How many animals do we really have/male female ratio?

What is working with true stats in other states?

What is not working with true stats from other states.

What can be done to come to some kind of fair agreement between non native and native hunters in this state and others?


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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #196 on: December 01, 2017, 09:16:54 PM »
I voted no when first started,without predator mangement,it won't help ,we need both.I just don't like permit system ,it's a cash cow for wdfw .All we need is to reward there mismangement with more money to piss to the wind. More regs,more predator mangement,more otc tags. :twocents:

 Herds be damned huh? That's a great attitude.

 Since WDFW won't do their job and allow more predator control, you're okay with wiping out what's left..........another brilliant post! :bash:

So what's your life changeing plan ?

Permits will only help so much,without predator mangement.
Why do you think it has not gone permit already ,cause wdfw will let it get wiped out to sell as many otc,before the permit starts.
When it comes to management of wildlife there's a bill to pay and I already give them enough money.

 How about you point out the post where I suggested paying more money for less opportunity.

 Your posts show your selfish attitude, unfortunately it's shared by several members on this site. You admit that a permit system would help, but you are not for it unless it's combined with WDFW pulling their heads out of their collective ars's and increasing predator harvest.

 In a nutshell, you once again made my previous point.......the herds be damned unless you get what you want........we all got it.. :tup:
So how many mule deer permits for the whole state?

Maybe I'm not hunting muley,can I buy whitetail only tag.

What about all that money from last minute tag buyers?

What if only 500 permits are you gonna be happy and buy a tag.

What if the tag now cost 150 dollars cause we gotta make up for money lost with no otc.

Answer some of these and maybe I'm with the permit system.

I may have a selfish attitude,but you know who's more selfish wdfw,all you that voted yes ,permits is good idea,but you might find yourself not liking the fine print that will come with permits. :twocents:
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #197 on: December 01, 2017, 11:07:53 PM »
This is the 1st time in my 37 year hunting career that I have not notched a WA deer tag, not for lack of trying.
I voted no, and am sticking with it.........until I see a comprehensive plan.

There are multiple issues affecting the MD herds, addressing 1 or 2 of them (doe harvest/ every other year hunting) etc. is not the fixall  IMO.

I believe the vast majority of these issues (wolves is not one of them) can be achieved with a bit of coming together from all sides/positions of each issue. If all sides are willing to give a little, I feel that all sides can get a bit of what will make them happy, and more importantly, will benefit the herds in the long run.

I have what I believe is a well thought out plan, but it is still bouncing around in my head, I work 2 jobs and am trying to find the time to get it all compiled on paper.

Here are a couple of glimpses;
Some do not want to give up multi permits. They need to go bye bye, too much additional pressure.

Reduce time afield for all user groups. Allows all an opportunity to hunt, but takes away additional pressure/harvest.

Taking pressure off 1 herd (ie Methow) will only put more pressure on others (robbing Peter to pay Paul.)  :bash:

Reduce Late permit quotas. Cant keep taking out the good breeders

Stopping all antlerless(doe) hunts will only serve to overpopulate holding capacities of limited habitat.


That is only a very small portion of issues that need to be addressed, (and that are still in my head) :chuckle:

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #198 on: December 02, 2017, 09:13:25 AM »
Nock Nock I agree with your idea right now ,intell I see a management plan I'm sticking with no for permits.
Examples what can happen with permit is way out there.

They might start charging for each sub species,blacktail tag,whitetail tag ,muledeer permit,mule deer tag.There already talking about making people choose which side of state there hunting for deer,choose which tag your buying solves that.

Let's say permits for mule deer starts ,few years they see how much money they lost , then its back the way it is now.few years of conservation,for one good hunting  season Back where we are now.

Are you ready for mule deer to be like moose permits , you might be lucky to hunt mule deer before your dead.

Then there's cost of permits,cost of tag,how many tags,and if numbers are not set right it's not gonna help.

Now you have a lot of pressure on whitetail, from everybody that didn't draw mule deer tags how does that effect other species of deer.And quality of hunt,and do you lose money from hunters not buying tags few years down the road.

Wdfw does a good job at setting seasons,to keep hunters happy enough to buy tag , but may have to look at other options to help mule deer more.I'm more than willing to antler point regs ,slash a few days off season,no doe harvest,there has to be solution,and keep otc,if that's selfish then it is.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #199 on: December 02, 2017, 10:04:41 AM »
Reference the fixation on predator management, there is not a single thing keeping a lot of folks from killing a lot more coyotes and a lot more black Bears each and every year. I guess if it makes you feel better, focus on that. However I can give you examples of ranches that do not allow any predator hunting. And yet they still have good herd structure and good deer numbers on their places. It is not the singular answer to the bigger underlying problem.



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