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St Helens permit holders
« on: November 01, 2017, 01:03:52 PM »
I know there's a few of you permit holders out there.
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2017, 01:08:00 PM »
And we wonder why or wildlife is all jacked up. :bash:
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2017, 02:23:00 PM »
For those not familiar with what this is.

Urea is an inexpensive form of nitrogen fertilizer with an NPK (nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium) ratio of 46-0-0. Although urea is naturally produced in humans and animals, synthetic urea is manufactured with anhydrous ammonia.
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2017, 04:50:29 PM »
*Insert hoof rot conspiracy theory here*

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2017, 07:52:23 PM »
So if itís safe, why evacuate the area?
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2017, 08:31:16 PM »
So this just had to happen during the modern firearm Elk season?  :DOH:
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 09:01:26 PM »
For those not familiar with what this is.

Urea is an inexpensive form of nitrogen fertilizer with an NPK (nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium) ratio of 46-0-0. Although urea is naturally produced in humans and animals, synthetic urea is manufactured with anhydrous ammonia.

  Im dont know that it is any worse for a person than any other nitro fertilizer , but can smell like a meth lab for miles .

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2017, 08:15:55 AM »
So if itís safe, why evacuate the area?

No Anhydrous ammonia is not safe at all.  They put that stuff in the corn fields back in the Midwest. I walked into some vapors once that were leaking from a tanker and it nearly killed me.

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2017, 08:26:02 AM »
Yet they spread this stuff over all the deer, elk, grouse, and other wildlife and think nothing of it. Then expect hunters to pay to access their land to hunt sick or non-existent wildlife.   :rolleyes:

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2017, 10:25:27 AM »
So if itís safe, why evacuate the area?

No Anhydrous ammonia is not safe at all.  They put that stuff in the corn fields back in the Midwest. I walked into some vapors once that were leaking from a tanker and it nearly killed me.

Yes this is nasty stuff.  This is from the MSDS sheet.

Statement of Health Hazard

Hazard Description
Ammonia is an irritant and corrosive to the skin, eyes, respiratory tract and mucous membranes. Exposure to liquid or rapidly expanding gases may cause severe chemical burns and frostbite to the eyes, lungs and skin. Skin and respiratory related diseases could be aggravated by exposure.
ē Not recognized by OSHA as a carcinogen
ē Not listed in the National Toxicology Program
ē Not listed as a carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer

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Effects of Overexposure
Eye: May cause severe irritation, eye burns or permanent eye damage.
Skin: Irritation, corrosive burns, blister formation may result. Contact with liquid may produce a caustic burn and frostbite.
Inhalation: Exposure may result in severe irritation and / or burns of the nose, throat and respiratory tract. It may cause bronchospasm, pulmonary edema or respiratory arrest. Extreme exposure may result in death from spasm, inflammation or edema. Brief inhalation exposure to 5,000 ppm may be fatal.
Ingestion: Ingestion is unlikely since the material is a gas under normal atmospheric conditions. If ingested, it may cause burns and severe pain of the mouth, throat, esophagus and stomach or may be fatal.

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2017, 12:19:40 PM »
Will this affect the wolves in the area that there not telling us about???😳🙀 :o :yike:

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2017, 12:25:08 PM »
Sweet My area is not on the list  :IBCOOL:
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2017, 12:36:30 PM »
Maybe not in your area, but now everyone that usually hunts those areas are now in your area.

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2017, 01:32:21 PM »
I doubt that, I maybe see two other people all day. Always in the morning.
I hunt 8+ miles behind the gate. Most people would not even consider it.  :nono:
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2017, 01:34:47 PM »
Then you are probably good to go - good luck this week.

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2017, 02:00:21 PM »
If it's anything like other areas I've seen it's in pellet form in the giant white bags. Mind you, they usually work 7 days a week doing this so you'll have all the truck traffic, helicopters, and extra man power out there too.

Just wait on the edges for the animals to come running out then blam blam blam

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2017, 10:53:48 AM »
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2017, 10:58:25 AM »
Almost sounds like the change wasn't due to the weather but the complaints received from hunters.   :dunno:

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2017, 11:40:47 AM »
 :bdid: So now it's set up for during late Buck hunt.  :bash:
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2017, 12:18:25 PM »
For the record I don't hunt this area any longer, stopped after the pay to play went into effect. So I really don't have a dog in this fight BUT, I think it would be in wdfw/weyco's best interest to consider permit holders almost stake holders and should consult them during hunting season when they plan doing stuff like this. If people are going to pay good money to access weyco land and good money to wdfw they should allow the best conditions possible.

just my  :twocents:
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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2017, 12:56:28 PM »
Almost sounds like the change wasn't due to the weather but the complaints received from hunters.   :dunno:
Definitely seems weird to cite the weather, but then apologize for making people upset.

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2017, 01:01:46 PM »
It sounds like there were several complains about the initial notice, so it just seems appropriate that after setting one date, then a couple days later changing it, to appologize...
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2017, 01:04:05 PM »
It sounds like there were several complains about the initial notice, so it just seems appropriate that after setting one date, then a couple days later changing it, to appologize...
Then why say they are changing it due to weather? Changing the date isnít what upset people.

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Re: St Helens permit holders
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2017, 01:08:20 PM »
Weyco... What a bunch of TOOLS.....Go to pay to play, rake the dough then tell you that you can't enter the area because of weed control. It's only going to get worse for such a pathetic opportunity anymore to even hunt the once large west side elk herds.
Out of state looks like an every year reality instead of every other year anymore.

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2017, 01:30:14 PM »
It sounds like there were several complains about the initial notice, so it just seems appropriate that after setting one date, then a couple days later changing it, to appologize...
Then why say they are changing it due to weather? Changing the date isnít what upset people.

Let me try and break it down, maybe I didn't word it right.

They announced a date for a closure that effected permit holders. 

Now, they certainly received complaints about it having an impact on those permit holders planning to hunt elk in that area.

Now they are, by their words a few days later, rescheduling due to weather issues.  I don't know if that is why or not, maybe too much snow expected to fertilize properly, I don't know.  :dunno:

Since the initial notice caused people to have to change or cancel plans, and now there is a different time frame, which will/could again effect new plans that may have been made which may now be affected by the new time frame, or by those who were not effected by the initial dates, but are now.

It just seems that they are just trying to say, "Hey, sorry, we know this sucks!"

And trying appease a group of people that are going to be inconvienced in one way or more, who have invested money and lost opportunity and are going to be upset.

I suppose they didn't have to send the second email out and just kept the closure from the original date and just extended it...

It sucks that to get to hunt there it costs so much, but it is clear when buying the permit that there may (read will) closures at times and that is just part of the package.

The tree farm and day to day operations will always take precedence.

Trying keep everyone notified as quickly as possible of changes like this just seems to be a considerate thing to do...




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