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Major wdfw overhaul
« on: November 15, 2017, 08:14:23 PM »
With the grim reports now coming out of what should have been a pretty decent late season and quality hunts, and following a less than spectacular general season I'm now asking the question, how can I maximize my efforts and effectiveness in expressing my malcontent with wdfw and the current status of our deer herds? Other than writing letters and attending meetings (done) are there any major groups or movements I should be aware of or a part of? It seems like we're in need of some major changes here and I hear a lot of grumbling but am not aware of any big organized efforts being made. Just wondering what everybody is doing to try to change things for the better? Thanks

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 08:21:08 PM »
Well we start a new three year cycle so you will be able to offer your opinions on surveys in February.


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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 08:33:58 PM »
I was having the same thoughts today.   Iíve been putting up with this a long time, but itís to a point some heads need to roll.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 08:39:47 PM »
Maybe this is when we as hunters need to pack the meetings. Make them standing room only. Change should happen when hundreds show up to each meeting.

How about asking them to schedule meetinga for evenings so those working can attend.
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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 08:44:45 PM »
 Unfortunately it comes to the general election and votes. As long as Washington has a liberal Dem for governor, you can expect things to remain the same or get worse for hunters. :twocents:
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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 08:45:06 PM »
Bone- your comments and evaluations of the herds lately (or lack thereof) have been one of the major factors in me finally asking this question to the masses. There are so many of us hunters who are not happy with the current situation, literally thousands, it seems like if we were able to band together and actually coordinate some type of united effort we might actually be able to spur some change. Vs the hundreds of disgruntled individuals simply complaining to each other

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 08:45:39 PM »
I've asked myself if a boycott would help us or hurt us..wdfw is all about revenue. If they don't get our money maybe they will listen...but then I think if we don't buy licenses the anti's will have won....it might be worth a try , who knows it could work...I know the hard core fishing community has thought about it with the recent season setting/ limits issues.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 08:50:30 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 08:52:55 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.
Initiative for what exactly?

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 08:55:10 PM »
I've thought about a boycott but I figured half the guys would just take advantage of the other half not being in the woods. 20,000 plus members on here, an organized march on wdfw Olympia maybe? Don't know, just throwing out ideas

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 08:55:21 PM »
Just like those other lib states like Idaho and Wyoming that are seeing low deer numbers due to wolves and poor management right?  I have had cams in three units the last few years n thereís always shooter bucks on there. Less this year as to be expected with the winter we had. Iíve only been hunting 7 years and have harvested a deer every year but my first. I canít say any year was easier or harder then any other.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 08:57:47 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.
Initiative for what exactly?

Whatever the OP wants to happen.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 08:59:22 PM »
Other than writing letters and attending meetings (done) are there any major groups or movements I should be aware of or a part of? It seems like we're in need of some major changes here and I hear a lot of grumbling but am not aware of any big organized efforts being made.
In my opinion no. If you asked be about the fishing side I would the Coastal Conservation Association. They've improved a lot both in WA and nationally in a short time.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 08:59:51 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.
Initiative for what exactly?
Whatever the OP wants to happen.
Initiatives change laws. What laws would be changed?

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 09:01:38 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.
Initiative for what exactly?
Whatever the OP wants to happen.
Initiatives change laws. What laws would be changed?
:yeah:
And in liberal WA, don't expect voters to do anything to improve hunting.

We couldn't even get the initiative to ban commercial gill nets to pass.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2017, 09:03:47 PM »
Just like those other lib states like Idaho and Wyoming that are seeing low deer numbers due to wolves and poor management right?

 Idaho and Wyoming are both conservative states. ;)
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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2017, 09:06:30 PM »
Just like those other lib states like Idaho and Wyoming that are seeing low deer numbers due to wolves and poor management right?  I have had cams in three units the last few years n thereís always shooter bucks on there. Less this year as to be expected with the winter we had. Iíve only been hunting 7 years and have harvested a deer every year but my first. I canít say any year was easier or harder then any other.

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No offense but if you've only been hunting for 7 years I don't think you have any first-hand historical knowledge of washington deer to draw a comparison to. Getting a couple shooter bucks on your trail cam is in no way an indication of a flourishing deer herd
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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2017, 09:10:36 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.
Initiative for what exactly?
Whatever the OP wants to happen.
Initiatives change laws. What laws would be changed?

Whatever law you want changed or introduced.  An initiative could direct WDFW to do just about anything.  Close a unit, change tags, take into account something, change license prices, whatever you feel prudent, can fund and get people to vote for.

The legislature does not often get involved in micromanagement, but there is nothing preventing either them or the general public from introducing legislation to achieve a goal.

Say you think the herd in GMU X is beaten down and needs a rest, put an initiative forth to direct WDFW to curtail or prevent hunting for a period of time.  Or, attend meetings and write letters, whatever you think has the best chance of success.

The OP asked about a major overhaul, to me that sounds like more than meetings.  I have no stance on the topic, just observant of the way the system works these days.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2017, 09:13:53 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.
Initiative for what exactly?
Whatever the OP wants to happen.
Initiatives change laws. What laws would be changed?

Whatever law you want changed or introduced.  An initiative could direct WDFW to do just about anything.  Close a unit, change tags, take into account something, change license prices, whatever you feel prudent, can fund and get people to vote for.

The legislature does not often get involved in micromanagement, but there is nothing preventing either them or the general public from introducing legislation to achieve a goal.

Say you think the herd in GMU X is beaten down and needs a rest, put an initiative forth to direct WDFW to curtail or prevent hunting for a period of time.  Or, attend meetings and write letters, whatever you think has the best chance of success.

The OP asked about a major overhaul, to me that sounds like more than meetings.  I have no stance on the topic, just observant of the way the system works these days.
Closing areas via an initiative would be a huge mistake. You'd probably have no problem closing the unit (you'd have anti's on your side). But good luck getting that unit ever opened again (now the anti's would be against you). Plus I wouldn't want to set that precedent.

Want a unit closed? Petition the commission.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2017, 09:14:51 PM »
Its like some of us have said, "something needs to be done" its hard to get things done going the political route in this state as phool said. Now, a boycott?...HMMMMMM?

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2017, 09:16:07 PM »
Find someone with money and put an initiative on the ballot.  It shouldn't be too tough in this state to convince a few other people to curtail hunting for X years in a particular unit or units.
Initiative for what exactly?
Whatever the OP wants to happen.
Initiatives change laws. What laws would be changed?

Whatever law you want changed or introduced.  An initiative could direct WDFW to do just about anything.  Close a unit, change tags, take into account something, change license prices, whatever you feel prudent, can fund and get people to vote for.

The legislature does not often get involved in micromanagement, but there is nothing preventing either them or the general public from introducing legislation to achieve a goal.

Say you think the herd in GMU X is beaten down and needs a rest, put an initiative forth to direct WDFW to curtail or prevent hunting for a period of time.  Or, attend meetings and write letters, whatever you think has the best chance of success.

The OP asked about a major overhaul, to me that sounds like more than meetings.  I have no stance on the topic, just observant of the way the system works these days.
Closing areas via an initiative would be a huge mistake. You'd probably have no problem closing the unit (you'd have anti's on your side). But good luck getting that unit ever opened again (now the anti's would be against you). Plus I wouldn't want to set that precedent.

Want a unit closed? Petition the commission.
:yeah:
You might as well kiss hunting good bye if you want to close/open units by voter initiative.

How's getting cougar hound hunting and bear baiting back open working for us? Been what 20 years?

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2017, 09:18:11 PM »
Just like those other lib states like Idaho and Wyoming that are seeing low deer numbers due to wolves and poor management right?  I have had cams in three units the last few years n thereís always shooter bucks on there. Less this year as to be expected with the winter we had. Iíve only been hunting 7 years and have harvested a deer every year but my first. I canít say any year was easier or harder then any other.

Sometimes the merry go round never ends.


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No offense but if you've only been hunting for 7 years I don't think you have any first-hand historical knowledge of washington deer to draw a comparison to. Getting a couple shooter bucks on your trail cam is in no way an indication of a flourishing deer herd

Good post Mtnwalker. No offense also to eliandsky.

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2017, 09:20:53 PM »
we need numerous initiatives to fix it

1) divorce WDFW enforcement from WSP (bring back professional game wardens)

2) send hunting revenue back to wildlife management instead of general state fund

3) make hunting a constitutional right, not a privilege

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2017, 09:24:19 PM »
we need numerous initiatives to fix it

1) divorce WDFW enforcement from WSP (bring back professional game wardens)

2) send hunting revenue back to wildlife management instead of general state fund
1- WDFW Enforcement has never been apart of WSP, that merger effort has failed every time
2- All fishing and hunting license revenue goes to the wildlife fund. Been that way for almost 10 years. Nothing goes into the general fund anymore

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Re: Major wdfw overhaul
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2017, 09:26:13 PM »
we need numerous initiatives to fix it

1) divorce WDFW enforcement from WSP (bring back professional game wardens)

2) send hunting revenue back to wildlife management instead of general state fund
1- WDFW Enforcement has never been apart of WSP, that merger effort has failed every time
2- All fishing and hunting license revenue goes to the wildlife fund. Been that way for almost 10 years. Nothing goes into the general fund anymore
:yeah:

Hunting license fees have always gone to the wildlife fund. Fishing fees historically went to the general fund, and since the merger in 1994 they have slowly been diverting more to the wildlife fund. But as Bigtex pointed out, about 10 years ago the legislature directed all fees to the wildlife fund.

 

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