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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2017, 04:26:51 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2017, 04:47:48 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.

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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2017, 04:47:49 PM »
I would like more people to kill bears in areas where deer are struggling to retain fawns, that's enough reason for me.  I understand not wanting to eat it, but I could give it away very quickly, I've had numerous people ask. 

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Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2017, 04:55:35 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.

I have a very open mind. Iíve gone on bear hunts with friends. Glassed for bears for friends. Backpacked miles to show friends where bears live. I just donít have any interest in shooting one myself. Itís not something up for debate for me personally. I donít give a hoot what anyone else thinks. Iím not interested in shooting a bear. And it shouldnít be. Iíll shoot lions, wolves, coyotes, elk, deer, blah blah blah. If a guy doesnít want to shoot something, perfect! Thatís his choice.
This specific topic is regarding elephants. We should probably try and keep it that way.
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2017, 05:13:20 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Being capable of expressing the rationale for an opinion, and choosing to voluntarily do so are two differnt things. I thought most people would understand that. I stand corrected.
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2017, 05:15:42 PM »
Just imagine the size of a bull elephant euro mount.  :yike:

Iíve had elephant jerky, tough but tasty.

I support all legal hunting, some species just arenít for everyone.  :twocents:

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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2017, 05:19:05 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Just because we donít want to kill elephants has nothing to do with having an open mind, youíll never convince me to hunt and kill elephants. But if you want to, and if your ever in need of my vote so you can, you got it! I think your taking this personally.   
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2017, 05:29:48 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Just because we donít want to kill elephants has nothing to do with having an open mind, youíll never convince me to hunt and kill elephants. But if you want to, and if your ever in need of my vote so you can, you got it! I think your taking this personally.   

Well said, sir!!


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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2017, 05:35:26 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.

I have a very open mind. Iíve gone on bear hunts with friends. Glassed for bears for friends. Backpacked miles to show friends where bears live. I just donít have any interest in shooting one myself. Itís not something up for debate for me personally. I donít give a hoot what anyone else thinks. Iím not interested in shooting a bear. And it shouldnít be. Iíll shoot lions, wolves, coyotes, elk, deer, blah blah blah. If a guy doesnít want to shoot something, perfect! Thatís his choice.
This specific topic is regarding elephants. We should probably try and keep it that way.

I wasn't trying to change the subject to bears, but trying to find a correlation between intelligent animals. Maybe a pig would have been a better choice.

The subject of this thread is the lifting of the ban on trophy ivory importation. There are a lot of uninformed people making comments and generalizations on the subject here and elsewhere. I'm just trying to get some of them to think a little deeper before making those statements or making up their mind.

I see many similarities between this subject, and deer/bear baiting, and hound hunting. Hunters who were apathetic to, or against hound hunting and bear baiting helped pass initiative 655.

The ban of trophy ivory importation effects almost none of us. The unorganized uninformed approach to subjects like this by hunters as a group will eventually affect us all in one way or another.

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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2017, 05:42:08 PM »
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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.

When you write stuff like this, it doesn't come off like you're trying to educate anyone.    It comes across very much like you want to argue.       :twocents:

You basically said that Jackalope isn't capable of thinking at your level.    I've never met the man, but.........
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2017, 05:55:36 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Just because we donít want to kill elephants has nothing to do with having an open mind, youíll never convince me to hunt and kill elephants. But if you want to, and if your ever in need of my vote so you can, you got it! I think your taking this personally.   

Well said, sir!!


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My comment to your open mindedness or lack of, is regarding the original subject, trophy ivory importation. I really don't care if you or Trophyhunt (ironic username) want to shoot elephants, and never tried to make this thread about elephant hunting specifically. I started out trying to educate some posters on the negative affects of the ban and the positives of elephant hunting as a whole. Unfortunately like me, your mind was made up before you ever posted.

I think its pretty funny how offended people get when asked to articulate their stated position on a subject.

Trophyhunt: I really would like to know where you draw the line on which animal you would or wouldn't shoot based on their level of intelligence. I am constantly amazed at the level of intelligence displayed by the animals I hunt, I have nothing but respect for them. If I used that as a gauge for what is worthy or not, I probably wouldn't hunt.

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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2017, 05:57:05 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Being capable of expressing the rationale for an opinion, and choosing to voluntarily do so are two differnt things. I thought most people would understand that. I stand corrected.
My mistake thinking people posting on a discussion forum would want to discuss. I stand corrected.

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Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2017, 06:02:41 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Just because we donít want to kill elephants has nothing to do with having an open mind, youíll never convince me to hunt and kill elephants. But if you want to, and if your ever in need of my vote so you can, you got it! I think your taking this personally.   

Well said, sir!!


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My comment to your open mindedness or lack of, is regarding the original subject, trophy ivory importation. I really don't care if you or Trophyhunt (ironic username) want to shoot elephants, and never tried to make this thread about elephant hunting specifically. I started out trying to educate some posters on the negative affects of the ban and the positives of elephant hunting as a whole. Unfortunately like me, your mind was made up before you ever posted.

I think its pretty funny how offended people get when asked to articulate their stated position on a subject.

Trophyhunt: I really would like to know where you draw the line on which animal you would or wouldn't shoot based on their level of intelligence. I am constantly amazed at the level of intelligence displayed by the animals I hunt, I have nothing but respect for them. If I used that as a gauge for what is worthy or not, I probably wouldn't hunt.

1-If you read my first post on this topic, it was me asking legitimate questions.

2-Iím not offended. Never was. It would take a lot for you to offend me...especially on such a trivial thing in the grand scheme of my life.

The only point I was trying to make is that nobody should ďneedĒ to quantify anything to you or anyone else if thatís the way they feel. Trophyhunt doesnít want to shoot an elephant because he likes their cute ears, done. Trophyhunt isnít going to shoot an ele. You prying for more reasoning is uncalled for in my opinion.   He doesnít need to explain to you or anyone.

I had a recent experience with a once in a lifetime mountain goat hunt here in WA. I told everyone I didnít want to shoot a nanny and I didnít want to shoot a billy over 300 yards. Why? Because I didnít want to.  Reason enough.  My friends I hunted with who helped me supported that without question. 
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2017, 06:05:50 PM »
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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.

When you write stuff like this, it doesn't come off like you're trying to educate anyone.    It comes across very much like you want to argue.       :twocents:

You basically said that Jackalope isn't capable of thinking at your level.    I've never met the man, but.........
I've never met him either, but I have lurked here for years and read plenty of his posts, he is more than a capable thinker. He originally said he was trying to see both sides of the issue, I was surprised by that, it is very black and white to me.

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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2017, 06:39:05 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Just because we donít want to kill elephants has nothing to do with having an open mind, youíll never convince me to hunt and kill elephants. But if you want to, and if your ever in need of my vote so you can, you got it! I think your taking this personally.   

Well said, sir!!


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My comment to your open mindedness or lack of, is regarding the original subject, trophy ivory importation. I really don't care if you or Trophyhunt (ironic username) want to shoot elephants, and never tried to make this thread about elephant hunting specifically. I started out trying to educate some posters on the negative affects of the ban and the positives of elephant hunting as a whole. Unfortunately like me, your mind was made up before you ever posted.

I think its pretty funny how offended people get when asked to articulate their stated position on a subject.

Trophyhunt: I really would like to know where you draw the line on which animal you would or wouldn't shoot based on their level of intelligence. I am constantly amazed at the level of intelligence displayed by the animals I hunt, I have nothing but respect for them. If I used that as a gauge for what is worthy or not, I probably wouldn't hunt.
I donít have a biology degree, Iím definetly no expert on which species is more intelligent than the other.  I would never kill an elephant, a dolphin or probably a polar bear.  I have no interest in African animals either, except for a kudu.  I donít set my guidelines on what I hunt by their intelligence, but elephants are much more intelligent then most hunted animals. Itís just my opinion. And like I said, Iím no threat to your right or privalidge to hunt anything.
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #65 on: November 19, 2017, 06:49:55 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Just because we donít want to kill elephants has nothing to do with having an open mind, youíll never convince me to hunt and kill elephants. But if you want to, and if your ever in need of my vote so you can, you got it! I think your taking this personally.   

Well said, sir!!


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My comment to your open mindedness or lack of, is regarding the original subject, trophy ivory importation. I really don't care if you or Trophyhunt (ironic username) want to shoot elephants, and never tried to make this thread about elephant hunting specifically. I started out trying to educate some posters on the negative affects of the ban and the positives of elephant hunting as a whole. Unfortunately like me, your mind was made up before you ever posted.

I think its pretty funny how offended people get when asked to articulate their stated position on a subject.

Trophyhunt: I really would like to know where you draw the line on which animal you would or wouldn't shoot based on their level of intelligence. I am constantly amazed at the level of intelligence displayed by the animals I hunt, I have nothing but respect for them. If I used that as a gauge for what is worthy or not, I probably wouldn't hunt.

1-If you read my first post on this topic, it was me asking legitimate questions.

2-Iím not offended. Never was. It would take a lot for you to offend me...especially on such a trivial thing in the grand scheme of my life.

The only point I was trying to make is that nobody should ďneedĒ to quantify anything to you or anyone else if thatís the way they feel. Trophyhunt doesnít want to shoot an elephant because he likes their cute ears, done. Trophyhunt isnít going to shoot an ele. You prying for more reasoning is uncalled for in my opinion.   He doesnít need to explain to you or anyone.

I had a recent experience with a once in a lifetime mountain goat hunt here in WA. I told everyone I didnít want to shoot a nanny and I didnít want to shoot a billy over 300 yards. Why? Because I didnít want to.  Reason enough.  My friends I hunted with who helped me supported that without question.

1- I really tried to answer them as best I could.

2- I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone else, that is counter productive. No one has to answer my questions or requests, but again, this is a discussion forum is it not?

3- I also had a oil goat permit in 2016. I passed several very long nannies and ended up shooting an 8.5" Billy. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed in his size, there were larger billies to be had. I should have come back for another hunt. I would have eaten the tag before I shot a nanny, that's just good conservation. So is paid trophy hunting of elephants. Allowing a narrow scope of ivory importation promotes that.

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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2017, 07:31:09 PM »
Agree w dan-o, I could never kill an elephant, they are intelligent animals.  And my grandma loved them, sheíd come after me from the dead if I ever hunted one. I support all hunting and understand conservation, but just could never kill an elephant.

Please quantify at what level of intelligence, you are no longer whiling to kill an animal. Bears are very intelligent, as are coyotes, the difference between them and say Horses and Elephants is people have attached emotion to horses and elephants. Go live with elephants for a few years and I bet your opinion of them will change.

Iím not interested in killing one. Thatís my level of non-interest. 100%. You keep posting asking folks to ďquantify their reasonĒ. Nobody needs to quantify anything. If they donít want to, they donít want to. Iíve never killed a bear either. Have little to no interest in it. Why? Just cuz. Reason enough for me.


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So your saying you actually don't have an open mind, when it comes to this subject. In an effort to spur intelligent debate I have asked two posters in this thread to give the reasoning behind their opinions, or statements. I thought you were capable of that. I stand corrected.
Just because we donít want to kill elephants has nothing to do with having an open mind, youíll never convince me to hunt and kill elephants. But if you want to, and if your ever in need of my vote so you can, you got it! I think your taking this personally.   

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My comment to your open mindedness or lack of, is regarding the original subject, trophy ivory importation. I really don't care if you or Trophyhunt (ironic username) want to shoot elephants, and never tried to make this thread about elephant hunting specifically. I started out trying to educate some posters on the negative affects of the ban and the positives of elephant hunting as a whole. Unfortunately like me, your mind was made up before you ever posted.

I think its pretty funny how offended people get when asked to articulate their stated position on a subject.

Trophyhunt: I really would like to know where you draw the line on which animal you would or wouldn't shoot based on their level of intelligence. I am constantly amazed at the level of intelligence displayed by the animals I hunt, I have nothing but respect for them. If I used that as a gauge for what is worthy or not, I probably wouldn't hunt.

1-If you read my first post on this topic, it was me asking legitimate questions.

2-Iím not offended. Never was. It would take a lot for you to offend me...especially on such a trivial thing in the grand scheme of my life.

The only point I was trying to make is that nobody should ďneedĒ to quantify anything to you or anyone else if thatís the way they feel. Trophyhunt doesnít want to shoot an elephant because he likes their cute ears, done. Trophyhunt isnít going to shoot an ele. You prying for more reasoning is uncalled for in my opinion.   He doesnít need to explain to you or anyone.

I had a recent experience with a once in a lifetime mountain goat hunt here in WA. I told everyone I didnít want to shoot a nanny and I didnít want to shoot a billy over 300 yards. Why? Because I didnít want to.  Reason enough.  My friends I hunted with who helped me supported that without question.

1- I really tried to answer them as best I could.

2- I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone else, that is counter productive. No one has to answer my questions or requests, but again, this is a discussion forum is it not?

3- I also had a oil goat permit in 2016. I passed several very long nannies and ended up shooting an 8.5" Billy. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed in his size, there were larger billies to be had. I should have come back for another hunt. I would have eaten the tag before I shot a nanny, that's just good conservation. So is paid trophy hunting of elephants. Allowing a narrow scope of ivory importation promotes that.

Everyone wants more than what they got. I had a self-set goal of a 9Ē billy and wanted him to be older than 5. I ended up with a 9Ē billy that was 4.5 years old. I wish he had another year or 2 on him but it is what it is. Theyíre amazing animals and when we harvest one, weíve all wholeheartedly earned every inch of them.
I have nothing against others shooting elephants. Or bears. In fact I would totally help you pack out your elephant tusks. I have a good pack. Just donít want to shoot one myself.


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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2017, 07:37:51 PM »
nothing wrong with that  :tup:   


I wouldn't shoot one either, can't take it home and eat it and I don't need tusks sitting in a corner gathering dust.
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2017, 07:43:03 PM »
I know it would bring a pile of money in elephant impact areas though. 

To me elephants are a lot like wolves in WA, people in King CO have dictated that *I* in NE WA must live with wolves and I can't shoot them to keep them out of my place.  It's the same with those tribal people living with elephants destroying their crops, they aren't allowed to shoot them either.   

The US has dictated that those villagers should live with elephants killing their people and destroying their crops and keep wealthy Americans from spending wads of cash that would help out those villagers and *ironically* help out the elephants in areas where there aren't enough.

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Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2017, 08:05:35 PM »
Wealthy Americans can shoot elephants in Africa now, no?

Iím pretty positive my friend has an elephant shoulder mount in his trophy room. I know itís a reconstruction or whatever you call it, but I know he killed one.
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2017, 09:06:10 PM »
If Americans could bring back real trophies wouldn't you think there would be more hunting them?  I think nothing but a picture and cheap replica of a real trophy keeps would be hunters away.  I didn't mean that it's illegal.
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Re: Trump Administration Lifts Ban on Imports of Elephant Hunting Trophies
« Reply #72 on: November 20, 2017, 10:28:36 AM »
This debate in indicitave of how westerners view Africa in general. The we know better mentality because they live in mud huts. Africa is rich in resources, and the animals are just as renewable as timber or the animals here in the USA.  Most of us recognise that if you want to save an animal you need sportsmen to support them. Hunting is part of that.

Unless I recieve some windfall I doubt I'd ever step foot on the continent to hunt.  I want hunting of all the animals in Africa because it will ensure thier survival.

If your personal preference it so hunt some particular animal I'm not sure any of us fellow hunters should care one way or another. Why? Because that is how Californians lost the ability to hunt cougar, and we lost the ability to trap and hunt with hounds.

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« Reply #73 on: November 20, 2017, 10:51:50 AM »
If Americans could bring back real trophies wouldn't you think there would be more hunting them?  I think nothing but a picture and cheap replica of a real trophy keeps would be hunters away.  I didn't mean that it's illegal.

At $30-50k a hunt, I doubt you'll see a big rise in the number of elephant hunts.
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« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2017, 11:34:00 AM »
If Americans could bring back real trophies wouldn't you think there would be more hunting them?  I think nothing but a picture and cheap replica of a real trophy keeps would be hunters away.  I didn't mean that it's illegal.

At $30-50k a hunt, I doubt you'll see a big rise in the number of elephant hunts.
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