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Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke doesn't mince words when asked about the outrage voiced over his proposal to institute surge pricing in 17 national parks across the country.

"Baloney" is how he labeled the pushback in an interview with Fox News.

What Secretary Zinke hasn't expressed is exactly how the fee increase at some of the country's most popular parks, which is estimated to raise nearly $70 million a year, will significantly impact the estimated $11-$12 billion maintenance backlog that shackles the National Park Service. Nor has he commented on how the pricing -- up to $70 a week for parks that currently charge $30-$35 a week -- will impact families whose summer vacations are dictated by the school calendar, or why he isn't asking Congress to direct some of the hundreds of millions of dollars Interior is reaping from oil and gas leases to addressing the maintenance backlog, or why, at a time when the Park Service is so strapped, he supports President Trump's desire to cut the National Park Service budget by about $400 million and its staff by about 1,200 employees.

But the Interior secretary does believe the parks should be better funded.

ďAs a former military, thereís two things we need to fund absolutely: our military and our parks. So come on, America,Ē Secretary Zinke told the Fox reporter earlier this month. ďIf you think that $80, all year, every park, all the time, by a carload, is too much to ask ó I mean, come on.Ē

Parks to be affected by these rates, if approved, are "Arches, Bryce Canyon, Canyonlands, Denali, Glacier, Grand Canyon, Grand Teton, Olympic, Sequoia and Kings Canyon, Yellowstone, Yosemite, and Zion national parks with peak season starting on May 1, 2018; in Acadia, Mount Rainier, Rocky Mountain, and Shenandoah national parks with peak season starting on June 1, 2018; and in Joshua Tree National Park as soon as practicable in 2018."

Public comment on the higher fees being proposed by Mr. Zinke is being taken through November 23.

https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2017/11/interior-secretary-calls-outrage-over-proposed-park-fee-increase-baloney

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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2017, 08:38:12 AM »
I thought only Democrats advocated for fee increases  :dunno:  :bash:

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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2017, 02:23:20 PM »
More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
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I have the biggest problem with fees and thier increases when the $ raised does not directly impact what they are raised for.

I will say this. The higher fees for anything get the harder it is to recruit new blood.

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I have the biggest problem with fees and thier increases when the $ raised does not directly impact what they are raised for.

I will say this. The higher fees for anything get the harder it is to recruit new blood.

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Agreed. The expense account shell games need to stop at all levels of government.
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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 03:55:51 PM »
More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
$80 is the current annual fee, his proposal would make it $70 a DAY at the busy parks.

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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2017, 04:09:59 PM »
More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
$80 is the current annual fee, his proposal would make it $70 a DAY at the busy parks.

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A day?

Nor has he commented on how the pricing -- up to $70 a week for parks that currently charge $30-$35 a week -- will impact families whose summer vacations are dictated by the school calendar, or why he isn't asking Congress to direct some of the hundreds of millions of dollars Interior is reaping from oil and gas leases to addressing the maintenance backlog, or why, at a time when the Park Service is so strapped, he supports President Trump's desire to cut the National Park Service budget by about $400 million and its staff by about 1,200 employees.
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 04:12:24 PM »
More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
$80 is the current annual fee, his proposal would make it $70 a DAY at the busy parks.

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The article quotes surge pricing of up to $70 per week at some of the countryís most popular parks.

Chump change.
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More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
$80 is the current annual fee, his proposal would make it $70 a DAY at the busy parks.

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A day?

Nor has he commented on how the pricing -- up to $70 a week for parks that currently charge $30-$35 a week -- will impact families whose summer vacations are dictated by the school calendar, or why he isn't asking Congress to direct some of the hundreds of millions of dollars Interior is reaping from oil and gas leases to addressing the maintenance backlog, or why, at a time when the Park Service is so strapped, he supports President Trump's desire to cut the National Park Service budget by about $400 million and its staff by about 1,200 employees.
Most parks only issue weekly passes not daily. So if you visit Olympic for one day you would pay $70 but you could technically stay for a week.

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More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
$80 is the current annual fee, his proposal would make it $70 a DAY at the busy parks.

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A day?

Nor has he commented on how the pricing -- up to $70 a week for parks that currently charge $30-$35 a week -- will impact families whose summer vacations are dictated by the school calendar, or why he isn't asking Congress to direct some of the hundreds of millions of dollars Interior is reaping from oil and gas leases to addressing the maintenance backlog, or why, at a time when the Park Service is so strapped, he supports President Trump's desire to cut the National Park Service budget by about $400 million and its staff by about 1,200 employees.
Most parks only issue weekly passes not daily. So if you visit Olympic for one day you would pay $70 but you could technically stay for a week.

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:yeah:

National Parks typically just issue weekly passes as a minimum. So the guy who stays at Olympic for a day pays the same amount as the guy who's there for a week.

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More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
$80 is the current annual fee, his proposal would make it $70 a DAY at the busy parks.

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The article quotes surge pricing of up to $70 per week at some of the countryís most popular parks.

Chump change.
Well I guess the Discover Pass should be $70 then. Chump change right?

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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2017, 04:26:18 PM »
Yep.
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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2017, 04:29:51 PM »
When it starts to sting people begin to question where the money goes, and why. At present, for the most part...donít question it or aimply donít pay at all.

Hunters always get stuck with a bill. Itís well past time the freeloading public ponies up.
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More anti-Zinke propaganda baloney.

People ought to pay a reasonable user fee. $80 is well within realm of reasonableness for year-round access to any national park for a carload of people.  In my opinion Iíd say thatís light.
$80 is the current annual fee, his proposal would make it $70 a DAY at the busy parks.

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The article quotes surge pricing of up to $70 per week at some of the countryís most popular parks.

Chump change.
Well I guess the Discover Pass should be $70 then. Chump change right?

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Here is an ugly fact. Every agency need more $.  Things will continue to get more desperate for 2 reasons.
 #1 reason is agencies arnt doing a good job of explaining what they are doing with our $ so why should we give the more. Doesn't matter if it's the NPS, WDFW or state government. Thier easy answer is always more $ with less transparency and accountability.
#2 doesn't matter the agency but they seem to consider it a point of pride that they don't run thier agency like a business. "This isn't a for profit venture!" Well I hate to break it to them a huge majority of Non Profit BUSINESSES do a much better job than XYZ agency. Non Profits are aware of budget constrains, and market messaging. 2 constraints government are happy to ignore.

I have not bought a DP and refuse to donate to parks. It is out of principal because if they are going to juice sportsmen and especially hunters whom cannot use the land, the fee is wrong. Washington State has a long history of a User pays system, where those that benifit from a service help keep it up. I have no problem with boat launch fees, fees that maintain trail heads in the USFS program, or the fees associated with hunting and fishing. The problem is our dollars are co mingled to subvert the user pays system and the DP is the perfect example that sportsmen understand.

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Re: Secretary of Interior Calls Outrage over Lands Fee Increase "Baloney"
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2017, 12:44:34 PM »
Just another transition from a general fund item to pay to play.  Way, way too much stuff out there to fund through use fees.  The model this country was founded on was that you could go out and hunt, fish, hike, camp or whatever your desire for a low cost.  The majority of the cost was picked up through taxes spread across everyone.  Public land, public funding.

If we continue down this path, it will be an upper middle class to wealthy activity to hunt, fish or camp on public land.

 

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