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Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« on: November 24, 2017, 08:11:07 AM »
 In the last week wolf sightings have set the Valley in wonderment, where did all the wolves come from?  Is it one huge pack or multiple packs?

We heard this week, there is a video of wolves killing deer in a field up the Twisp River, last night there was a report of a "bunch of wolves" seen while driving through Balky Hill, and some seen on the river bottom below Benson cr.


What's left of the deer are dropping on to the valley floors, and of course the wolves with them, this is looking to be an exciting time for everyone except the ungulate, livestock and owners.

Will WDF&wolves get that befuddled look on their face, the pretend to be as puzzled as everyone else look. Or will they explain to everyone how wolves double in population each year, and they "had" to lie to the people of WA on the wolf numbers in order to get the departments desired amount of wolves established?

I wonder what WDF&wolves will write in the paper about their prize wolves?




Remember the cougar's of 2014?

http://methownet.com/grist/features/cougar_sightings.html

WDFW knew of 52 collared cougars on the valley floor when this article was written.




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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2017, 08:20:45 AM »
There was never 52 collared cougars in the Methow.  There are a few now, but <10.... never anywhere close to 52. 

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 08:39:55 AM »
There was never 52 collared cougars in the Methow.  There are a few now, but <10.... never anywhere close to 52.

The number came from a person inside WDFW at the time, after watching you defend WDFW-&wolves for years, I am incline to believe the the other guy... ;)

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 08:49:10 AM »
I'm not defending WDFW.  I'm telling you that you are BSing.  Get your facts right before telling stories.

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2017, 09:02:10 AM »
I don’t think 52 cougars would or could live in one area being as territorial as they are..... would be shocking news.  10 is enough to reduce the deer population tho!

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2017, 09:04:54 AM »
Nothing new about the packs.   I always said there were multiple packs and listed where.   They always chalked em up as one pack which I knew as total BS.


I joked about how well travelled those lookout wolves were

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2017, 09:26:57 AM »
I don’t think 52 cougars would or could live in one area being as territorial as they are..... would be shocking news.  10 is enough to reduce the deer population tho!

I don't think territory matters too much when predators are hungry, if you read the article, most of the cougar they killed were not wearing collars, WDFW removed 6 that's not counting the cougars that were killed privately.

Be interesting to see what this year brings.

The guy that said WDFW knew of 52 collared cougar on the valley floor at the time, said they could track the cougar movements, he said one night a cougar came out of Bridge Cr went down the country road and over into the Patterson LK country, he said it was surprising how far they could travel in a short amount of time.
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2017, 09:31:17 AM »
Nothing new about the packs.   I always said there were multiple packs and listed where.   They always chalked em up as one pack which I knew as total BS.


I joked about how well travelled those lookout wolves were

 :yeah: :bash:

In 2008 there were multiple packs, but they would only confirm the one they were forced to.


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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2017, 09:31:58 AM »
In the last week wolf sightings have set the Valley in wonderment, where did all the wolves come from?  Is it one huge pack or multiple packs?

We heard this week, there is a video of wolves killing deer in a field up the Twisp River, last night there was a report of a "bunch of wolves" seen while driving through Balky Hill, and some seen on the river bottom below Benson cr.


What's left of the deer are dropping on to the valley floors, and of course the wolves with them, this is looking to be an exciting time for everyone except the ungulate, livestock and owners.

Will WDF&wolves get that befuddled look on their face, the pretend to be as puzzled as everyone else look. Or will they explain to everyone how wolves double in population each year, and they "had" to lie to the people of WA on the wolf numbers in order to get the departments desired amount of wolves established?

I wonder what WDF&wolves will write in the paper about their prize wolves?




Remember the cougar's of 2014?

http://methownet.com/grist/features/cougar_sightings.html

WDFW knew of 52 collared cougars on the valley floor when this article was written.

 Can you post up the video please......pics of the Balky Hill critters would be nice too. :tup:
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2017, 09:41:19 AM »
In the last week wolf sightings have set the Valley in wonderment, where did all the wolves come from?  Is it one huge pack or multiple packs?

We heard this week, there is a video of wolves killing deer in a field up the Twisp River, last night there was a report of a "bunch of wolves" seen while driving through Balky Hill, and some seen on the river bottom below Benson cr.


What's left of the deer are dropping on to the valley floors, and of course the wolves with them, this is looking to be an exciting time for everyone except the ungulate, livestock and owners.

Will WDF&wolves get that befuddled look on their face, the pretend to be as puzzled as everyone else look. Or will they explain to everyone how wolves double in population each year, and they "had" to lie to the people of WA on the wolf numbers in order to get the departments desired amount of wolves established?

I wonder what WDF&wolves will write in the paper about their prize wolves?




Remember the cougar's of 2014?

http://methownet.com/grist/features/cougar_sightings.html

WDFW knew of 52 collared cougars on the valley floor when this article was written.

 Can you post up the video please......pics of the Balky Hill critters would be nice too. :tup:

Don't have the video as of yet but we have been calling people we know trying to find out who has it.

Don't know if there are any pictures of the wolves on Balky, info came from a guy who helps feed cows.

Have heard of several sightings from Mazama to McFarland Cr.

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2017, 09:52:36 AM »
I would add that people are sharing info. and advising folks to start packing, and to be careful doing nightly chores etc..

Seems no one believes WDF&wolves info. that wolves are shy and timid creatures that avoid people, too many incidences in the past have left that line of BS in the dust.


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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2017, 10:39:04 AM »
52 collared lions on the valley floor is total bull, your buddy at FW must get a kick out of telling you that crap and watching you run with it.
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2017, 10:52:05 AM »
52 collared lions on the valley floor is total bull, your buddy at FW must get a kick out of telling you that crap and watching you run with it.

I have never known this guy to lie, and there is was no reason for him to. Seemed everyone was either having cat problems or seeing them that year.

Are you connected to WDFW, or are you a cougar expert?

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2017, 11:26:03 AM »
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2017, 12:49:42 PM »
As long as there are cougars and wolves hunting the same territory kiss the deer & elk good bye.
Who gives the game department the right to release these POS wolves any way?
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2017, 04:11:42 PM »
As long as there are cougars and wolves hunting the same territory kiss the deer & elk good bye.
We gives the game department the right to release these POS wolves any way?

They didn’t release any wolves....


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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2017, 06:17:36 PM »
As long as there are cougars and wolves hunting the same territory kiss the deer & elk good bye.
We gives the game department the right to release these POS wolves any way?

They didn’t release any wolves....


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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2017, 06:53:51 PM »
Up Boulder Cr. getting a tree last week end, wolf tracks there. Kind of sad one has to pack now to avoid being a meal. It is going to happen, just a matter of when.

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2017, 07:36:37 PM »



Nothing new about the packs.   I always said there were multiple packs and listed where.   They always chalked em up as one pack which I knew as total BS.


I joked about how well travelled those lookout wolves were

In 2014 the Lookout pack was up the Twisp Valley, killing a calf above Davis Lake and I saw two above Lightning Creek all in the same day!

Yep they are a traveling pack, LOL

Now they call those northenders the Loop Loop pack
 :dunno:
Must have taken three years just to come up with a name?
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2017, 08:17:14 PM »
As long as there are cougars and wolves hunting the same territory kiss the deer & elk good bye.
We gives the game department the right to release these POS wolves any way?

They didn’t release any wolves....


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There are several folks in Okanogan county that would say "you are either a liar, or you don't know what you are talking about". I would have to agree with them.

You keep saying that, but no evidence to support it. Ever. 


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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2017, 09:15:11 PM »
As long as there are cougars and wolves hunting the same territory kiss the deer & elk good bye.
We gives the game department the right to release these POS wolves any way?

They didn’t release any wolves....


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There are several folks in Okanogan county that would say "you are either a liar, or you don't know what you are talking about". I would have to agree with them.
There are a large number of folks across the state who would say you are a liar or you don't know what you are talking about.  52 collared cougars? Chemtrails? Pics of coyotes you call wolf pups? :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2017, 10:37:29 PM »
As long as there are cougars and wolves hunting the same territory kiss the deer & elk good bye.
We gives the game department the right to release these POS wolves any way?

They didn’t release any wolves....


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There are several folks in Okanogan county that would say "you are either a liar, or you don't know what you are talking about". I would have to agree with them.



Why would you call someone a liar when he is stating a fact that has not been disproven whether you believe they were planted or not?
Many have asked to see anything evidence that could prove wolves have been planted including myself. Yet over the last 10 years nothing has ever been posted to backup the “wolf plant” story.
I am know wolf export, and I have not had to live in their vicinity like you guys in the Methow or other wolf areas.
Honestly Wolbait, if you had convincing evidence to support the “planting” showing it here would gain thousands of voices in support of your “planted wolves” hypothesis.

No need for name calling either way.
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2017, 12:03:11 AM »
As long as there are cougars and wolves hunting the same territory kiss the deer & elk good bye.
We gives the game department the right to release these POS wolves any way?

They didn’t release any wolves....


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There are several folks in Okanogan county that would say "you are either a liar, or you don't know what you are talking about". I would have to agree with them.



Why would you call someone a liar when he is stating a fact that has not been disproven whether you believe they were planted or not?
Many have asked to see anything evidence that could prove wolves have been planted including myself. Yet over the last 10 years nothing has ever been posted to backup the “wolf plant” story.
I am know wolf export, and I have not had to live in their vicinity like you guys in the Methow or other wolf areas.
Honestly Wolbait, if you had convincing evidence to support the “planting” showing it here would gain thousands of voices in support of your “planted wolves” hypothesis.

No need for name calling either way.

 :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

There is NO evidence that wolves have been planted in Washington.   

The evidence has been requested so many times it's tiring.

I can't conceive of the WDFW being able to do an actual wolf release without evidence.   Can you?   

How would you see that going down?

Where would they raise/feed/house them?

Were the employees sworn to secrecy?

There has to be something more tangible than "Somebody said so."
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2017, 08:01:31 AM »
Draw a 500 radius circle around the central Idaho release site, that is a rather conservative size.  I do not think that WDFW was/is up to the task but the feds, that is a dog of a different breed/size/character.

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2017, 08:47:23 AM »



Nothing new about the packs.   I always said there were multiple packs and listed where.   They always chalked em up as one pack which I knew as total BS.


I joked about how well travelled those lookout wolves were

In 2014 the Lookout pack was up the Twisp Valley, killing a calf above Davis Lake and I saw two above Lightning Creek all in the same day!

Yep they are a traveling pack, LOL



I don't know the area that well, but I know wolf packs are not as cohesive as some folks think.  If Davis Lake and Lightening Creek are the ones I'm thinking of, they're only ~5 miles apart... which means absolutely nothing to a wolf, they are literally minutes apart.

Wolves from the same pack can be scattered out pretty far and wide, so it would not be impossible (or even improbable) for the same pack to have animals in different portions of their home range.  That happens quite a bit.

 

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